Closing Suvanabhumi Airport b/c of PAD

[frankenburner2]

ENOUGH !!!

There is no reason for your ignorant remarks.

I refuse to fight on TF, so you are only making a fool of yourself.

you are a moron.....go change your ID again...maybe your next ID will be less of an idiot.

pssst...this time, change the pic.

You should change your name to rubbernecker 2. You love jumping on the bandwagon.

Are we afraid to stand on our own, mr. fburner2?

I know. I know.

...moron...idiot...don't like....blah blah blah....lolol

ermm....what bandwagon? Are you saying there are other people who think he's a moron too? And there I was thinking I was the only one.

[Undercover]

It is a long way to Malaysia, why not a closer border like Aran which is only 4 hours and less militarised than the south where you could have different army factions engage in conflict?

I absolutely agree with that being the quickest, safest and most logical route if one wanted to leave in a hurry. Much preferable to the southern option in my opinion.

[LakeGeneve]

What hope the sorting this out by Friday? I'm supposed to fly in on Sunday!

Even if the PAD move out tomorrow Serirat confirmed that they will need a week to test all the equipments and system if ready to service. But anyway, good luck.

Jesus...an entire week? I definitely didn't expect it to take more than 2-3 days to test everything. Sucks even more for everyone stranded here or trying to get back in.

I think even one week is extremely optimistic. In addition to the physical security they have to get several external foreign security agencies to sign off on it before the foreign carriers will fly in. My guess would be that they would resume incrementally, starting with the Thai carriers. The other issue is that they have this enormous backlog of people trying to get out. The latest numbers that I've read are 160,000 now with an additional 30,000 added every day.

That is a very good point and one I would not have considered in respect of the security agencies from abroad needing to sign off on the restarting for their carriers.

I guess IATA has to ultimately sign off as well?

[Stramash]

would not think other countries' security agencies would be directly involved at all; certainly IATA will have a big part in green lighting the reopening, but carriers themselves will have their own security/risk management people who will make recommendations to the carriers themselves...

[zeusbheld]

blah

did you decide no one would get the joke, or did you realize that the apparent fact that no one looked at your journal had sweet f**k all to do with either science or tests? (yeah you have less than five seconds to change your mind when you hit the 'submit' button).

im still wondering how the KOR ROR 6 look like ! ?

I know what 'KOR ROR' is now! I did a google search! You, DOCTOR, are one sick puppy. I think in your country, you call them sick MFers!

http://tinyurl.com/6lohap

Sigh! :shock:

i don't read thai and all i found when i googled was a couple of sek loso cds. are you saying sek loso are f***ed up, or that there is something about homosexuals that is somehow more shocking and sick than men who, say, pay hookers to piss on them? if it's the first, explain pls. if the second---seems massively prudish for a farrang living in bangkok.

For your little tiny brain: kor ror 6 is a document of divorce, and also the right to live and work in Thailand indefinately.

END OF CONVERSATION.

Unless you want to meet somewhere and talk about this over a couple of broken beer bottles.

let me see if i've got this. you just threatened to cut me with a broken beer bottle. why? from one of two things:

either because i caught and read your post before you could edit it? the post wherein you accused everyone on TF of being stupid because nobody commented on your journal?

or because *you* either can't read, or thought that someone else's comment was mine? or maybe you just really hate Sek Loso? i don't have any of their CDs, but they're not bad enough to get violent over.

i certainly may have insulted may people on TF, but you're threatening to cut me with a broken bottle over some insult that exists solely in your mind. *i* did not insult you. get over it, or come cut me into ribbons for no apparent reason. and you refer to *my* tiny little brain.

anyway you realize if you cut me with a broken bottle, you've completely violated your hippocratic oath, doc.

[Undercover]

That is a very good point and one I would not have considered in respect of the security agencies from abroad needing to sign off on the restarting for their carriers.

I guess IATA has to ultimately sign off as well?

I am not sure about IATA but my guess would be they will take their cue from the US Department of Homeland Security and its Aussie equivalent, the Office of Transport Security, who are the main players in SE Asia in terms of airport security compliance issues.

The issue isn't so much about taking off from Bangkok, it's about landing in the US or Australia. The Thais can certify anybody to take off but they can't land in Oz or the US without the security agencies agreeing.

I know everybody is trying to arrange "rescue" flights now but when they get back on a regular timetable is another question altogether. It's also almost guaranteed that a large number of foreign carriers will simply reroute around Thailand as a risk-management issue. Airplanes are expensive.

[Dr_Sassy]

blah

did you decide no one would get the joke, or did you realize that the apparent fact that no one looked at your journal had sweet f**k all to do with either science or tests? (yeah you have less than five seconds to change your mind when you hit the 'submit' button).

No, it's "ME", as being not-a-newbie, who made a suggestion that he should not post that kinda statement on TF forum. It has nothing to do with freedom of speech nor trying to control people - what to say to piss off or kiss people's butt on TF, I'm just trying to prevent him from getting instant attack from regular idi()t(s) (errr not mentioning names here) who enjoy playing a knight-in-shining-armour role..but i guess it's my fault for not warning him fast enough.

It's safe to kissass rather than saying the facts that people don't generally wanna hear.. anyway... "Closing Suvanabhumi Airport b/c of PAD"... please continue...

[frankenburner2]

blah

did you decide no one would get the joke, or did you realize that the apparent fact that no one looked at your journal had sweet f**k all to do with either science or tests? (yeah you have less than five seconds to change your mind when you hit the 'submit' button).

im still wondering how the KOR ROR 6 look like ! ?

I know what 'KOR ROR' is now! I did a google search! You, DOCTOR, are one sick puppy. I think in your country, you call them sick MFers!

http://tinyurl.com/6lohap

Sigh! :shock:

i don't read thai and all i found when i googled was a couple of sek loso cds. are you saying sek loso are f***ed up, or that there is something about homosexuals that is somehow more shocking and sick than men who, say, pay hookers to piss on them? if it's the first, explain pls. if the second---seems massively prudish for a farrang living in bangkok.

For your little tiny brain: kor ror 6 is a document of divorce, and also the right to live and work in Thailand indefinately.

END OF CONVERSATION.

Unless you want to meet somewhere and talk about this over a couple of broken beer bottles.

let me see if i've got this. you just threatened to cut me with a broken beer bottle. why? from one of two things:

either because i caught and read your post before you could edit it? the post wherein you accused everyone on TF of being stupid because nobody commented on your journal?

or because *you* either can't read, or thought that someone else's comment was mine? or maybe you just really hate Sek Loso? i don't have any of their CDs, but they're not bad enough to get violent over.

i certainly may have insulted may people on TF, but you're threatening to cut me with a broken bottle over some insult that exists solely in your mind. *i* did not insult you. get over it, or come cut me into ribbons for no apparent reason. and you refer to *my* tiny little brain.

anyway you realize if you cut me with a broken bottle, you've completely violated your hippocratic oath, doc.

stick with the moron theory....it'll save you the 7 seconds it take to type a rebutle

[Stramash]

got a bit of a fright on my trip top the library there; an entire class of primary children were in!! The predominant part of their uniform was yellow polo shirts/sweatshirts; I thought PAD had really extended their protests for a minute!!!

[zeusbheld]

ok boys...back to the airport.

dear admin:

you volunteered for this job, you know. [/told you so]

[zeusbheld]

I think this elephant is a at least a few years premature (see a few pages ago with the baseball innings explanation) and as we discussed a few months ago, it will be a catalyst for an unheralded period of instability, http://www.thailandfriends.com/index.phpname=DB_phpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=13219&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30&sid=99d611667437bda8ca64e38974fd4607&&sid=99d611667437bda8ca64e38974fd4607 (third para). I am guessing that once this round diffuses in the very near future, we will go a few more rounds of ever escalating games and brinkmanship in the coming years or decade.

didn't click the link but i'd agree that is the most likely scenario. we don't actually know about the elephant just yet, and it sure is a bad sign for what may happen when elvis does leave the building.

But if you truely believe that this civil war scenario is impending and imminent (you have not given a time frame but the inference seems to be somewhat impending), then my friend what are you still doing here? Are you stocking up with supplies in Ratchada? Would it not be prudent to get out now? For those talking about the current cycle of events escalating into civil war and yet staying in Bangkok does not seem to make sense.

if i don't give a time frame, generally, i'm not implying one. also, a civil war is a a qualitative not a quantitative condition; one can have a civil war without any significant body count. and i clearly stated that i'm betting it won't escalate to a civil war near-term, and you know that; you quoted the post where i said so below.

i do think there is a *chance* things could get ugly fast, but i think that chance just got smaller when the red shirted, red clapper bosses told their goons to stand down at the courthouse. the most likely scenario IMO is as you say more of the same in the near term--another election, another "protest," except bigger, rinse and repeat. IMO long run, though, as most liikely discussed previously, it looks very, very bad.

If a civil war ensues it will in my opinion proceed in fits and starts with cheeky but relatively non-threatening acts of war like seizing airports excalating with each crisis, with an increasing likelihood of violent clashes between yellow clapper hand holding fuckwits and red clapper feet holding fuckwits.

quite frankly if i felt personally at risk i've got no interest in 'adventure;' i'd be on a train (or hire a car if i no longer trusted the train) to Laos or Malaysia by now. i don't see there being much personal risk but i doubt this is the ideal place to travel to right now, even if you get in.

If and when that time comes I would suggest that your always going to be safer in BKK than travelling in the 'lawless' provinces trying to get out.

my comment was based on the assumption that if it thought it was really going to get violent fast, i'd have left when the airports were seized. within hours. generally, you have a window before the **** hits the fan, and the added advantage of neither faction having a serious beef with farrangs.

Based on experiences elsewhere, if your caught up in the critical period of conflict then being where the mass of 'important' people are, the diplomatic community is and where you have contacts and know your surroundings is preferable. (Assuming, you don't live next door to an important strategic facility.)

true, but by that time it's better to sit it out or run for your embassy. for what it's worth, i doubt if i made the border run right now i'd have any problem. even if tomorrow goes badly i'd still be pretty confident of that.

that said, i think people who are still insistent on flying here at the mo' are a bit daft. it may not get dangerous, but it could, and it will definitely get obnoxious from time to time.

It is a long way to Malaysia, why not a closer border like Aran which is only 4 hours and less militarised than the south where you could have different army factions engage in conflict?

as mentioned above, the idea is to get out before the **** hits the fan.

malaysia is someplace i could set up shop pretty readily, and it's reasonably stable. and affordable. Laos is plan B, a passage into either vietnam or china, and probably the route i'd take if i wait a little too long but still decide to make a run for it. if i have to hire a car, i'd head for cambodia probably (would-be assassins take note).

Those power hungry, selfish idiots be they Thaksin and co, or Sondhi, or a bunch of generals, have shown over the years that they are more than willing to walk on the bones of the innocent.

SO TRUE.

where are the good guys in this mess?

[Undercover]

Very interesting op-ed piece here:

http://www.prachatai.com/english/news.php?id=875

[zeusbheld]

It is a long way to Malaysia, why not a closer border like Aran which is only 4 hours and less militarised than the south where you could have different army factions engage in conflict?

I absolutely agree with that being the quickest, safest and most logical route if one wanted to leave in a hurry. Much preferable to the southern option in my opinion.

at 4 hours it's a relatively affordable cab ride!

as i said in the longer post, the southern option would be first choice as of right now, as i very much believe there is no clear and present danger (or i wouldn't still be here). idea being, i know people there and could set up easier in malaysia than elsewhere.

[LakeGeneve]

ummmm, the airport...

On TV now, I can see them carrying wounded people out of the airport and loading them into cars. Anyone have any idea what is going on? My Thai is not good enough to follow.

There was one rocket propelled grenade at don muang...I didn't hear how many people were hurt as they only said "lay khon."

Last report was sip gwah khon are hurt at Don Muang.

It seems the grenade attacks will not stop. One would think that someone firing a RPG from near Vivhavadi-Rangsit road towards the DM terminal would be fairly noticeable. Very sad to see more yet more people injured. Those implicity, or otherwise, condoning or suggesting that the PAD members deserve such violence should be ashamed.

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It is going to be quite a surreal day tomorrow seeing the PM who has been hiding in CM attend the annual military parade. The Court hearing offers endless interesting, and some scary, possibilities of how it may unfold.....

MILITARY PARADE & PARTY DISSOLUTION Battle moves to Court

Published on December 2, 2008 The Nation

All eyes will today focus on the annual military parade at the Royal Plaza and on the Constitution Court, which would be hearing closing statements of the three political parties accused of having committed electoral fraud.

Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat and his Cabinet are scheduled to attend the military parade in Bangkok, presided over by Their Majesties the King and the Queen. But so far, Somchai, since his return from Peru last Wednesday, has opted to stay in Chiang Mai due to the political turbulence in Bangkok after the takeover of Suvarnabhumi and Don Muang airports by anti-government protesters. Moreover, his shaky government is going through the country's worst political crisis since 1979, leading to rampant speculation of another coup to end the deadlock.

Somchai flew back to Chiang Mai in the evening yesterday after attending a function in Nakhon Phanom in the Northeast. He plans to hold his Cabinet meeting in Chiang Mai today. Some Cabinet members, who cannot make it to Chiang Mai, will stay in Bangkok and participate in the meeting via teleconference.

A government spokesman said Somchai would attend the military parade in Bangkok, held by the Army, the Air Force and the Royal Thai Navy. Yesterday, Somchai spoke through video conference to a Buddhist gathering in Phuttamonthon, which organised a prayer for His Majesty the King's 81st Birthday.

The Constitution Court will hear the closing statements from the leaders of the People Power Party, the Chart Thai Party and the Matchima Party over charges of electoral fraud. If found guilty, these political parties could be disbanded and their executives banned from politics for five years. But the Constitution Court has not scheduled a date for handing down the verdicts. One political source said the verdicts might be delivered tomorrow. If the People Power Party were to be found guilty, Somchai would lose his premiership and his Cabinet would have to go with him. However, a deputy prime minister, who is not a party executive, might be appointed to succeed Somchai.

Supporters of the People Power Party wearing red shirts have vowed to apply pressure on the Constitution Court. This has prompted the Metropolitan Police Bureau to send some 500 police officers to provide security at the Court today. Another 500 police officers would stand by at their stations if more mobilisation is needed. "I don't believe there will be any big problem," said Pol Lt-General Suporn Khongsua, the spokesman of the Metropolitan Police Bureau. "If the situation is serious, we can ask for reinforcements from the military." While the Chart Thai and Matchima Party leaders planned to present their closing statements before the Constitution Court, the People Power Party is not sending anyone.

Yuenyad Jaisamut, PPP legal representative in charge of the case, said the party had yesterday petitioned the court, opposing three of the nine Constitution Court judges as well as the court's order not to have any further hearings. It also opposed the court's rejection of a plea by People Power executives and members to defend themselves as individuals. The judges the party opposes are Charan Pakdithanakul, Wasan Soipisut and Nurak Mapraneet.

"The case cannot be closed [today] as the court must clear our petition first. It must prove that its judges do not have any bias against the PPP and clarify how its order was not against the Constitution," he said. He said stopping the hearings was a violation of the defendants' rights.

[samy5000]

One died and about over 20 injured by a bomb explosion at Don Mueng

A bomb was fired at 00.15 on Tuesday morning, causing one death and wounding more than 20 anti-government protesters.

Injured people have been sent to three hospitals including the Mongkut Wattana, Bhumiphol and Central General.

Ronnachai Chaisri, 29, from Songkhla province is reportedly dead on his way to the Bhumiphol hospital while Wijai Wijan,43, is reportedly in critical condition.

Five people are severely injured, one of them reported to be in critical condition. The PAD suspects that a bomb was fired from Don Mueng Toll Way.

[zeusbheld]

ok boys...back to the airport.

dear admin:

you volunteered for this job, you know. [/told you so]

Nothing like a little drama to make life more interesting

Just like all the drama at the airport!

if you divide TF into two teams and hand out clappers and shirts, i want sky blue clapper feet. i'm expecting a big year for Carolina.

[Undercover]

It is a long way to Malaysia, why not a closer border like Aran which is only 4 hours and less militarised than the south where you could have different army factions engage in conflict?

I absolutely agree with that being the quickest, safest and most logical route if one wanted to leave in a hurry. Much preferable to the southern option in my opinion.

at 4 hours it's a relatively affordable cab ride!

as i said in the longer post, the southern option would be first choice as of right now, as i very much believe there is no clear and present danger (or i wouldn't still be here). idea being, i know people there and could set up easier in malaysia than elsewhere.

A few years back, the New York Times had an article about Aranyaprathet calling it the word's ugliest border town. I have been in some pretty nasty border towns in my day but I'd have to agree with them!

[frankenburner2]

ermm....what bandwagon? Are you saying there are other people who think he's a moron too? And there I was thinking I was the only one.

Nah, you just seem to have a predilection for jumping in on the ass end of other peoples arguments.

I've no problem whatsoever calling someone a moron all by my itty bitty self.

[Stramash]

not you two again...

[zeusbheld]

if you divide TF into two teams and hand out clappers and shirts, i want sky blue clapper feet. i'm expecting a big year for Carolina.

Screw the tarholes!

insect.

we will bury you and your puny attempt at a ball team.

[Stramash]

if you divide TF into two teams and hand out clappers and shirts, i want sky blue clapper feet. i'm expecting a big year for Carolina.

Screw the tarholes!

insect.

we will bury you and your puny attempt at a ball team.

which game you talking about??

rounders or gay rugby??

[zeusbheld]

It is a long way to Malaysia, why not a closer border like Aran which is only 4 hours and less militarised than the south where you could have different army factions engage in conflict?

I absolutely agree with that being the quickest, safest and most logical route if one wanted to leave in a hurry. Much preferable to the southern option in my opinion.

at 4 hours it's a relatively affordable cab ride!

as i said in the longer post, the southern option would be first choice as of right now, as i very much believe there is no clear and present danger (or i wouldn't still be here). idea being, i know people there and could set up easier in malaysia than elsewhere.

A few years back, the New York Times had an article about Aranyaprathet calling it the word's ugliest border town. I have been in some pretty nasty border towns in my day but I'd have to agree with them!

wow that kinda makes it worth seeing in its own right.

[zeusbheld]

if you divide TF into two teams and hand out clappers and shirts, i want sky blue clapper feet. i'm expecting a big year for Carolina.

Screw the tarholes!

insect.

we will bury you and your puny attempt at a ball team.

which game you talking about??

rounders or gay rugby??

little "men" who golf in skirts cannot be expected to understand a game played by titans twice their height. propers for the tree tossing though, that's kinda cool.

[Stramash]

if you divide TF into two teams and hand out clappers and shirts, i want sky blue clapper feet. i'm expecting a big year for Carolina.

Screw the tarholes!

insect.

we will bury you and your puny attempt at a ball team.

which game you talking about??

rounders or gay rugby??

little "men" who golf in skirts cannot be expected to understand a game played by titans twice their height. propers for the tree tossing though, that's kinda cool.

not even biting on the kilt remark;

but at least we can play rugby without donning armour and helmets to protect our pansy like sensibilities!!!

[allseasonsman]

But delusional is perhaps the person who having been to thailand once and watching TV in Dublin thinks that they have a clearer understanding of the situation in BKK than someone who has lived in the country for 16 years and is currently in situ.

Well this is as dumb ass it gets.

Akin to "Oh I am here and you are not- I know more than you"

Well what is amazing is that after 16 years of living in Thailand you understand and know so little about the dynamics of Thai politics[Or perhaps politics in general] and what is taken place there. Whereas someone who has only visted Thailand about 10 times in a much shorter period of time is able to grasp the core issues and key developments far better than you ever would or could.

The dishonest ploy of stating that I am just watching TV in Dublin when I had specifically indicated various possibilities for information and perspective is just typical of your lack or integrity,credibility and wisedom.

You do not dont need to be in situ to read a general situation. Far from it, one can have a wealth of knowledge and understanding for a variety of reasons. Not least of which could be contacts with numbers of people already living in situ and getting a broad set of views and feed back from this.

Not to also mention the many detailed articles by well informed people who have studied Thailand and it's politcs and economics for years! In short: The "I Live here you don't" argument is crap! because it has it's own limitations and depends on so many things- like how bright or astute or even interested a person might be, in a range of topics/issues/features within a country.

BTW, yes obviously you watching the 2nd plane on 9/11 had a better understanding than anyone in NYC or anyone for that matter in the US! Do you really know how silly this sounds?

This really does comfim what a dishonest person you must be! The astute observer will note what I actually had said [to make a crucial point and refute off hand your silly assertion about being in a country or not to be able to know about a topic as a result].

"When the second plane flew into the second tower on 9/11 who do you suppose knew better what was happening?

The people in the tower! or little old me sitting here in Dublin thousands of miles away having a cup of tea! watching it live on TV! "

I said nothing about knowing more than anyone in NYC or the USA- I was very specific!

It seems to be beyond you to expand out this concept and see that the point clearly being made is that the assumption of "being there" as being better than actually observing from afar with plenty of informed and logical information is not always true at all.

In conclusion: You should be less concerned with the poster and try deal with the post and it's actual contents as opposed to the way you twist and spin what has been said/wrote! It is a common mistake made on TF and usually only shows the lack of credibility of people like you who resent others knowing and understanding more than you about certain issues.

Fact is that you have not made any worthwhile case for your arguments and ignore the critical information at will!