beej Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 I'm going to go commit some Black and Asian crimes today.... see you later mother fuckers....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 I always had my suspicions about EB's serial killer status. It all adds up though... why else would a guy who's not interested in Thai culture be hiding out here :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyphil247 Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 I'm against immigration because on a certain day of the week during a certain time, I can't go swimming at the local swimming pool. They have it reserved for muslim women only. I'm against immigration because when a fellow worker prays, I have to work harder in their absence. Yet I don't get the same extra breaks. I'm against immigration because a plan to build a proposed pub/hotel was ruled out because it was too close to residents that are muslim. But more importantly, I'm against immigration because my local KFC store won't serve pork anymore :roll: how do u think ur ancestors got to australia .... i'll bet the aborigines wish they hadn't bothered !!! Aborigines don't have any issues with MY ancestors. But, a good try anyway Besides, in the 1960's when MY family and so many other Europeans migrated here, Australia needed those immigrants just as much as they needed Australia. There were more jobs than people!!! Not counting people from the UK, Italians have made the largest contribution of all immigrants in developing Australia as a nation and its culture. The prime minister should actually give a public thank you to the many immigrants like my parents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakeGeneve Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 I'm going to go commit some Black and Asian crimes today.... see you later mother fuckers....... Just so we set the scene correctly, can I be the middle class, professional white victim? Shall we say you steal my car with a bit of GBH and then kidnap one of my family members, cut off a finger and send it to me in hospital with a ransom note? I do like role playing. :wink: (Oh and do ya think Pam will mind if we add in some spanking prior to the GBH?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyphil247 Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 well maybe the aboriginies are a tad pissed off with all dem white fellas running around like it's their own country and imposing their 'culture' on the place...... Dat white fella "Kevin07" already apologised for dat No he didn't. He apologised to a specific group of indigenous Australians known as the Stolen Generations and for the specific role of the Federal government in taking children away from their families. You may to consider spending less time getting worked up about serious issues like your 'lack of fast food options' and more time in understanding recent goings on in the Australian parliament. Normally, I don't have the time nor the care factor. But, seeing that you're a lawyer (yes I voted for you too), I'll make an exception and show you the text of Kevin07's speech. "I move: That today we honour the indigenous peoples of this land, the oldest continuing cultures in human history. We reflect on their past mistreatment. We reflect in particular on the mistreatment of those who were stolen generations - this blemished chapter in our nation's history. The time has now come for the nation to turn a new page in Australia's history by righting the wrongs of the past and so moving forward with confidence to the future. We apologise for the laws and policies of successive parliaments and governments that have inflicted profound grief, suffering and loss on these our fellow Australians. We apologise especially for the removal of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children from their families, their communities and their country."..... I have especially made it easy for you to understand by highlighting the key words in red Hopefully, you'll now understand that although the apology speech was made in particular for the "stolen generation" it's broad enough to include many other injustices that were done to Aborigines by Australian governments since 1901 For anything done before that time, then the UK government would need to apologise So instead of worrying about my lack in understanding recent goings on in the Australian parliament, lol. Maybe you should spend more time on your reading and comprehension. Afterall, I don't get the words "they're", "their" and "there" mixed up. Nor do I get the words "you're" and "your" mixed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBJE Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 ... and for me, the answer really depends entirely on the country. In the United States, in Australia, in Venezuela, the rule of thumb really should be that an immigrant absolutely should NOT have to adapt to the local culture, because in truth there really is no legitimate local culture. And I am happy to say that as we have moved into the 21st century, certainly the US is heading in that direction. There are many parts of America where you can live, work, and love happily without, for example, speaking English or getting the inside jokes in Seinfeld, thank you very much. Or as my roommate in Caracas once summed it up, "Venezuela IS Mr. Ed." (at the time, Venezuelans were absolutely proud of showing "Mr. Ed" sitcom reruns on their Betamaxes). In Austria and other countries like Austria that are not particularly well known for more than a few very small facets of life (e.g., as my once-upon-a-time Austrian girlfriend Nadja said succinctly, "we Austrians are good at only three things -- smoking, eating pastries and making conversation"), then the level of adaptation by the immigrant should be limited to only those things in which the local culture excels. Everything else is a major step down. In Argentina, one plays futbol and/or polo, eats steak on Tuesday and pasta on Wednesday. In Chile, one drinks coffee, fishes in the lake district, learns the intricacies of the local argot (the most charming of all Spanish variants), and is polite beyond expectation. Everything else is complete b.s. Now, in other places, like Thailand, Cuba, Mexico, England, the Basque region of Spain, and Ireland, where there IS a culture, a tradition, a way of being, a firmly entrenched religion (however derivative and contrived it may be, as in Blighty), a sense of people, indeed an indigenous race, a devotion to the absolute leader (even if such a "monarch" is in the distant past or is not hereditary), a complete manner of communication, then, my friends, the immigrant does himself a great service by adaptation to the maximum extent possible. One would be silly not to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 In the United States, in Australia, in Venezuela, the rule of thumb really should be that an immigrant absolutely should NOT have to adapt to the local culture, because in truth there really is no legitimate local culture. That's simply wrong. Americans (i.e. US citizens) love to think that they live in some big melting pot of multiple and varied cultures. They don't. It's a very specific culture *resulting* from multiple and varied cultures. Sure it has some variety; there are hispanic americans, irish americans, african americans etc. But put an "irish american" in Ireland... do you think you could spot him at the pub? Or an african american in the Congo? He'd fit right in yeah? And do you seriously think that Venezuela has no culture? Ok at this point I feel stupid for replying to a windup :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 I'm against immigration because on a certain day of the week during a certain time, I can't go swimming at the local swimming pool. They have it reserved for muslim women only. I'm against immigration because when a fellow worker prays, I have to work harder in their absence. Yet I don't get the same extra breaks. I'm against immigration because a plan to build a proposed pub/hotel was ruled out because it was too close to residents that are muslim. But more importantly, I'm against immigration because my local KFC store won't serve pork anymore :roll: how do u think ur ancestors got to australia .... i'll bet the aborigines wish they hadn't bothered !!! Aborigines don't have any issues with MY ancestors. But, a good try anyway Besides, in the 1960's when MY family and so many other Europeans migrated here, Australia needed those immigrants just as much as they needed Australia. There were more jobs than people!!! Not counting people from the UK, Italians have made the largest contribution of all immigrants in developing Australia as a nation and its culture. The prime minister should actually give a public thank you to the many immigrants like my parents soooo .... does that mean u r for or against immigration ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyphil247 Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 I'm against immigration because on a certain day of the week during a certain time, I can't go swimming at the local swimming pool. They have it reserved for muslim women only. I'm against immigration because when a fellow worker prays, I have to work harder in their absence. Yet I don't get the same extra breaks. I'm against immigration because a plan to build a proposed pub/hotel was ruled out because it was too close to residents that are muslim. But more importantly, I'm against immigration because my local KFC store won't serve pork anymore :roll: how do u think ur ancestors got to australia .... i'll bet the aborigines wish they hadn't bothered !!! Aborigines don't have any issues with MY ancestors. But, a good try anyway Besides, in the 1960's when MY family and so many other Europeans migrated here, Australia needed those immigrants just as much as they needed Australia. There were more jobs than people!!! Not counting people from the UK, Italians have made the largest contribution of all immigrants in developing Australia as a nation and its culture. The prime minister should actually give a public thank you to the many immigrants like my parents soooo .... does that mean u r for or against immigration ?? If they can easily blend into society, without imposing their own customs, then I'm not against immigration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 I'm against immigration because on a certain day of the week during a certain time, I can't go swimming at the local swimming pool. They have it reserved for muslim women only. I'm against immigration because when a fellow worker prays, I have to work harder in their absence. Yet I don't get the same extra breaks. I'm against immigration because a plan to build a proposed pub/hotel was ruled out because it was too close to residents that are muslim. But more importantly, I'm against immigration because my local KFC store won't serve pork anymore :roll: how do u think ur ancestors got to australia .... i'll bet the aborigines wish they hadn't bothered !!! Aborigines don't have any issues with MY ancestors. But, a good try anyway Besides, in the 1960's when MY family and so many other Europeans migrated here, Australia needed those immigrants just as much as they needed Australia. There were more jobs than people!!! Not counting people from the UK, Italians have made the largest contribution of all immigrants in developing Australia as a nation and its culture. The prime minister should actually give a public thank you to the many immigrants like my parents soooo .... does that mean u r for or against immigration ?? If they can easily blend into society, without imposing their own customs, then I'm not against immigration. Why shouldn't they impose their own customs? I think its great that they do, it adds flavor and diversity. I for one will never blend into Thai culture and society, as I doubt you would if you lived here or anywhere else..... just look at white people living everywhere across Asia and Africa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 I also find it hard to understand Australians and Americans thinking that their country and culture is theirs when obviously is stolen and unbelievably short lived, when it comes to new immigrants coming in they **** their little pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBJE Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 There's a good reason why Venezuela has produced six Miss Universe winners in the last 31 years; it has nothing to do with how pretty and smart the local women are or are not, and it has everything to do with the nearly complete lack of culture in that country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakeGeneve Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 well maybe the aboriginies are a tad pissed off with all dem white fellas running around like it's their own country and imposing their 'culture' on the place...... Dat white fella "Kevin07" already apologised for dat No he didn't. He apologised to a specific group of indigenous Australians known as the Stolen Generations and for the specific role of the Federal government in taking children away from their families. You may to consider spending less time getting worked up about serious issues like your 'lack of fast food options' and more time in understanding recent goings on in the Australian parliament. Normally, I don't have the time nor the care factor. But, seeing that you're a lawyer (yes I voted for you too), I'll make an exception and show you the text of Kevin07's speech. "I move: That today we honour the indigenous peoples of this land, the oldest continuing cultures in human history. We reflect on their past mistreatment. We reflect in particular on the mistreatment of those who were stolen generations - this blemished chapter in our nation's history. The time has now come for the nation to turn a new page in Australia's history by righting the wrongs of the past and so moving forward with confidence to the future. We apologise for the laws and policies of successive parliaments and governments that have inflicted profound grief, suffering and loss on these our fellow Australians. We apologise especially for the removal of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children from their families, their communities and their country."..... I have especially made it easy for you to understand by highlighting the key words in red Hopefully, you'll now understand that although the apology speech was made in particular for the "stolen generation" it's broad enough to include many other injustices that were done to Aborigines by Australian governments since 1901 For anything done before that time, then the UK government would need to apologise So instead of worrying about my lack in understanding recent goings on in the Australian parliament, lol. Maybe you should spend more time on your reading and comprehension. Afterall, I don't get the words "they're", "their" and "there" mixed up. Nor do I get the words "you're" and "your" mixed up You most likely spell better than I do but that hardly a difficult task given that I am appalling bad. You can plug away all you want about my shortcomings on this front but your not going to get far as it is widely known and I don't really care as this is TF & not a legal document! And who said I was any good a being a lawyer? (Also note that the 'their' & 'there' post this morning was self deprecating but yes I did do the classic 'you're' & 'your' mistake one morning with a title and publically owned up to it after Don pointed it out). I also appreciate you highlighting what you believe are the pertinent bits to support your arguement as I am a lazy reader. However, I must say am impressed that someone actually bothered on TF to research something to support their assertion. I really hope that you had a good look at Hansard and perused the whole debate prior to the motion being passed as there are some moving and tragic stories contained therein. There are also some views which are less than enlightened by a few members of parliament. Now, you made a post that essentially inferred that the PM made an apology for basically colonising Australia - taking the country - and imposing another culture on the some 500 indigenous nations which existed at the time. I stated that that was not the case and it was specific to the Stolen Gens. You have suggested that a few lines of the above statement supports your view. With respect, that is very tenuous. If you have a look at Hansard, press reports and statements by various indigenous groups at the time; the issue of a wider and more fundamental apology to indigenous nations for essentially invading their lands, attempting to wipe out many nations (some call it genocide) and the attempted intentional destruction of culture was debated as to whether or not it would be included in the statement. The PM made it clear that the statement would be specific to the Stolen Gen, their families and communities affected by such policies. It would not include a more general apology applicable from the period of white settlement nor subsequent policies arising from 'taking the land'. The motion was constructed so that it would be general enough as to address this issue of the Stoeln Gen and limit any potential Commonwealth civil liability but not be so general in its scope of application that it could be applied for the more fundamental issue of invasion and attempted genocide (not a legal concept that applied at the time BTW). Now I grant you that the "imposing their 'culture'" ref in lizardo's post does have some causal connection to the one sentence that you highlighted by only insofar as it relates to those Stolen Gens policies and activities involving forced assimilation and institutionalisation arising from a period around the 1930s. So yes the one sentence you highlighted has some application to the culture part of your assertion but it is limited in scope due to the time period. More fundamentally, the statement does not refer to or characterise invasion, war, taking of lands, attacking communities, forceablely moving communities for the period of settlement and expansion, and all that arise from those acts. We could go back and forth on this but I agree a very small part of the statement could apply to one aspect of you assertion but more fundamentally indigenous australians are yet to have an any australian government state "we are sorry for invading your lands, trying to wipe you out and imposing our culture upon you". A minor point on the creation of the Australian Federation in 1901 point. The British Parliament could apologise for colonisation of Australia if it wanted (they would then be very busy for a long time going through a long list) but the accepted law is that the sovereign nation of Australia has legal obligations arising to its citizens from the period prior to 1901 as do the various states (Colonies). Interesting discussion. 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LakeGeneve Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 I'm against immigration because on a certain day of the week during a certain time, I can't go swimming at the local swimming pool. They have it reserved for muslim women only. I'm against immigration because when a fellow worker prays, I have to work harder in their absence. Yet I don't get the same extra breaks. I'm against immigration because a plan to build a proposed pub/hotel was ruled out because it was too close to residents that are muslim. But more importantly, I'm against immigration because my local KFC store won't serve pork anymore :roll: how do u think ur ancestors got to australia .... i'll bet the aborigines wish they hadn't bothered !!! Aborigines don't have any issues with MY ancestors. But, a good try anyway Besides, in the 1960's when MY family and so many other Europeans migrated here, Australia needed those immigrants just as much as they needed Australia. There were more jobs than people!!! Not counting people from the UK, Italians have made the largest contribution of all immigrants in developing Australia as a nation and its culture. The prime minister should actually give a public thank you to the many immigrants like my parents I for one am bloody thankful of the diverse waves of immigration into Australia as it has enriched the country. For one thing, we would still be eating that crap that passes for English food like bangers and mash. Thankfully, one can eat food from almost any region in the world in the big cities. Italian-Australians have made a great contribution to Australian society and they are a very large group in Oz. (A little know fact is that the second largest city containing Greeks in the world is in Melbourne). But so have other groups as Australia has become more diverse. Each group of immigrants has had to deal with prejudice, racism and calls for them to assimilate during each wave of migration. Italians and southern mediterraneans suffered huge prejudice post war when they first starting arriving in what was then a very white australia with a white australia policy. (Note that some Italians were even interned in camps in OZ during WWII). And each group of migrants becomes 'flavour of the decade' in terms of prejudice, complaints and being more visable. One of the interesting observations many make in the Australian context is how the 2nd generation of migrant parents often become hostile and prejudicial to new migrants communties in the perception that these new migrants have it easier than their parents did when they arrived, especially in relation to govt assistance programs. Many 2nd gen heard the stories of what their parents suffered and/or experience prejudice first hand. Some seem to feel the need to then project similar prejudices against new migrants. Some migrant based research has shown that by the 3rd or 4th gen this changes as children mix in school, communities immerse and basically people start getting beyond ethnic differences; for example, they start bonking outside their migrant community. See, sex can over come prejudice! :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 I'm against immigration because on a certain day of the week during a certain time, I can't go swimming at the local swimming pool. They have it reserved for muslim women only. I'm against immigration because when a fellow worker prays, I have to work harder in their absence. Yet I don't get the same extra breaks. I'm against immigration because a plan to build a proposed pub/hotel was ruled out because it was too close to residents that are muslim. But more importantly, I'm against immigration because my local KFC store won't serve pork anymore :roll: how do u think ur ancestors got to australia .... i'll bet the aborigines wish they hadn't bothered !!! Aborigines don't have any issues with MY ancestors. But, a good try anyway Besides, in the 1960's when MY family and so many other Europeans migrated here, Australia needed those immigrants just as much as they needed Australia. There were more jobs than people!!! Not counting people from the UK, Italians have made the largest contribution of all immigrants in developing Australia as a nation and its culture. The prime minister should actually give a public thank you to the many immigrants like my parents soooo .... does that mean u r for or against immigration ?? If they can easily blend into society, without imposing their own customs, then I'm not against immigration. Why shouldn't they impose their own customs? I think its great that they do, it adds flavor and diversity. I for one will never blend into Thai culture and society, as I doubt you would if you lived here or anywhere else..... just look at white people living everywhere across Asia and Africa. personally i DON'T think they should impose their own customs, but i don't have any major problems with them practicing their own customs so long as it doesn't break any laws of the country they r living in !!! and as well as saying they should blend in .... how well does the local population allow them to blend in ?? seems the closer the skin colour to the native population the easier it is to blend in !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 There's a good reason why Venezuela has produced six Miss Universe winners in the last 31 years; it has nothing to do with how pretty and smart the local women are or are not, and it has everything to do with the nearly complete lack of culture in that country. another windup? oh what the heck... How can a lack of culture have anything to do with winning Miss Universe? AND.... have you even met any Venezuelan girls? They are hot enough to burn a hole in South America. ...ok next windup please. Better be an improvement or I'm going back to stickmanbangkok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Woah,.... don't be hasty... Isn't this a good time to appreciate other cultures? Heal the world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Woah,.... don't be hasty...Isn't this a good time to appreciate other cultures? ... Heal the world... I met one in Mexico City OMG.... made me wanna learn Spanish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin_2 Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Woah,.... don't be hasty...Isn't this a good time to appreciate other cultures? ... Heal the world... I met one in Mexico City OMG.... made me wanna learn Spanish I lived in Maracaibo and Caracas for 6 months...Venezuelan girls are saaamokin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Woah,.... don't be hasty...Isn't this a good time to appreciate other cultures? Heal the world... Is this the one who did the 3 way with Miss Japan and the video got out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakeGeneve Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Woah,.... don't be hasty...Isn't this a good time to appreciate other cultures? ... Heal the world... I met one in Mexico City OMG.... made me wanna learn Spanish I lived in Maracaibo and Caracas for 6 months...Venezuelan girls are saaamokin. Sorry but what exactly were they smoking while you were there?! Not to sound too vain and vacuous - hey we all have our moments - but anyone who is against immigration needs to get their head checked given some of the hotties that can turn up on your shore and diversify your dating &/or relationship options. :wink: (Note to TF women: the term hotties is used in a non-gender specific sense.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyphil247 Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Not to sound too vain and vacuous - hey we all have our moments - but anyone who is against immigration needs to get their head checked given some of the hotties that can turn up on your shore and diversify your dating &/or relationship options. :wink: Even if they're Muslim women, :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Even if they're Muslim women, :roll: My ex-wife was a beautiful Muslim woman from Istanbul.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Not to sound too vain and vacuous - hey we all have our moments - but anyone who is against immigration needs to get their head checked given some of the hotties that can turn up on your shore and diversify your dating &/or relationship options. :wink: Even if they're Muslim women, :roll: Whats wrong with Muslim women? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyphil247 Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Not to sound too vain and vacuous - hey we all have our moments - but anyone who is against immigration needs to get their head checked given some of the hotties that can turn up on your shore and diversify your dating &/or relationship options. :wink: Even if they're Muslim women, :roll: Whats wrong with Muslim women? They generally don't date Non-Muslim men, and they're not as promiscuous as other Non-Muslim women. LG's stating that a benefit of immigration is the potential to date "hotties". That's not a word that I'd associate with Muslim women as many of them are covered up :roll: I wouldn't think that's too hard to understand. I'll even save you some time and energy, because you're barking up the wrong tree. I treat everybody the same as they would treat me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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