scutfargus Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 As the Moderator of Religion and Philosophy, I'm getting pretty bored with people who come into this thread every couple of days to repeatedly comment how boring it is.We got it the first time. There are thousands of topics and threads in the forums on TF. If you find this one not to your taste, go post in a different one. With 39 pages of comments, obviously not everyone finds this one boring. Hope I did not mean to imply this was boring...after all, the devil wearing Prada, that is an important point, and I hope gets the full attention it deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutfargus Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 ... So if Jesus, the son of God, is the one and only then what of buddha, Mohammed and Jerry Springer? They aren't. There is one mediator between God and man; the man Christ Jesus. One of the things that many people don't get when they read this or that passage in the Bible, "peace" often refers to peace between man and God, and not to world peace (although there are instances when it means that as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiamHotel Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 One of the things that many people don't get when they read this or that passage in the Bible, "peace" often refers to peace between man and God, and not to world peace (although there are instances when it means that as well). you {almoxt} quite right long-lost amico... BTW.... NOW ON IS 5 EURO$ A LINE TO POST... PLZ TAKE NOTE SAINT_FARFGUZsolini ... 'pop dai mai na krup' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_f0xyl3ab3 Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 How come this thread has interested many people so far. I dont even know what to say :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 ... So if Jesus, the son of God, is the one and only then what of buddha, Mohammed and Jerry Springer? They aren't. There is one mediator between God and man; the man Christ Jesus. One of the things that many people don't get when they read this or that passage in the Bible, "peace" often refers to peace between man and God, and not to world peace (although there are instances when it means that as well). If Jesus is the only mediator then why should we listen to you YOu haven;t given us one good reason to do anything but doubt you. I guess thats why Jesus is Jesus and you are scutfargus :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 How come this thread has interested many people so far. I dont even know what to say :? It is a yes or no question, but you see what humans can do with yes and no questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babyoiy Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Plz can anyone tell me in short whats scutfargus saying..Due to lack of English skill.. I can never read and understand all of his posts. So plz anyone make it in short and let me know... why its go like 24 pages now and Im lost in translation... Thank, BabyOiy He says he knows it all because the bible tells him so and the rest of us are full of BS. Thats it in a nutshell In the west we call it Christianity :roll: God is real we will go to hello if he doesn't talk us into his way of thinking Thank you Eagle.. I just come to check this thread today... unbelievable ... its go so far like 39 pages... Bang! should we call guinness (dunno how to spell) book to record this? i dunno but the more u *advertise* the more I do believe NOT. c'mon ... scfg.... take a break from this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 One of the things that many people don't get when they read this or that passage in the Bible, "peace" often refers to peace between man and God, and not to world peace (although there are instances when it means that as well). so let me get this straight ... peace in the bible refers to peace betweeen man and god not world peace. ok got that. although there are instances when it means world peace as well ... so basically it can mean whatever u want when ever u want. it is an INDIVIDUAL"S interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted August 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 One of the things that many people don't get when they read this or that passage in the Bible, "peace" often refers to peace between man and God, and not to world peace (although there are instances when it means that as well). so let me get this straight ... peace in the bible refers to peace betweeen man and god not world peace. ok got that. although there are instances when it means world peace as well ... so basically it can mean whatever u want when ever u want. it is an INDIVIDUAL"S interpretation. not to butt in but i will anway. normally i stick to is evolution a hoax or not, and i dont read aramaic or whatever, but it is no problem for me to believe the word means different things in different contexts. depending on hwo its used. think fo the word philosophy for example. to most people it rightly means a system of values by which one lives, but to a philosopher it means something much narrower, havving to do with a systematic and logical inquiry into fundamental beliefs (espeically things that cannot be determined empirically). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted August 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 this is post number 588, and the next viewer will be number 5138... sorry babyoiy i dont know if guiness keep a record for longest thread on tf... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babyoiy Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 FOR BUDD POEPLE.. THIER GOD IS BUDD WHOM CANT MOVE AND CANT DO ANY THING.. SO HOW COME HE MADE EVERYTHING.. BUDD HIMSELF MADE BY MAN.. .AND MANY GODS... BUT REAL POWER IS THERE WHOM CONTROLING ALL I dont like bold font either... And Buddhist believe in No God... We have no God, not even mention about word God. We dont believe in any miracle - unbelievable thing from what Buddha say.. I never see or read any sentence saying The Buddha made anything... He was a guy and just found out the way to live good life together and avoid from making any sin and if everone can do like the Buddha teach... it will be excellent. And any sentence always based on reason. We just cant find the exactly answer who made this world and ppl...its still due to find out. I think it called "hyphothesis" Whatever.. I dont know if the Buddha is really exist but as I said.. I listen to everything that reasonable.. And the way he teach its acceptable to me. Buddhism never say anything against another religion. I dont say I dont believes in God even Im a buddhist. But I was saying I think we got only one God above... I respect all religion. But im not sure whats the point u saying that? Why would you doubt that Buddha existed? I don't think anyone doubts that he was a religious teacher. If memory serves, he taught all over Asia for 50-60 years? I am more asking than stating. It seems like he covered more ground on his own than any other religious teacher that I am aware of. oh c'mon man! .... Im not religious... and I dont studied in the part that how many places he were travelling around asia.. but yeah he did travel to many place. U know I dont care.. if buddha existed or not but the way that we buddhist have been told its always make sense... thats whats the main reason! And Buddhism is older than Christianity, but both are so different. The point is its the thing that we cant proof! And before I respected about Christianity more than now!!!! Ur not help anything better.. its even worse. For the love of God ... u should get very long vacation! Go get laid and u may see heaven somehow... and I was talking to Metha.... coz I dont know why he bother talking about Buddhism! yeah yeah yeah .. u all Muslim-Christian-Jewish believe in God ... sorry that Buddhism is different. I dont believe about confession and all sin gone if ur Muslim or Christian.. and also u all going to heaven! thats sound weird to me!! ps* sorry .. maybe PMS! and anyone here my comment that offenced Irish around here or not? i try to find out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 I dont believe about confession and all sin gone if ur Muslim or Christian.. and also u all going to heaven! thats sound weird to me!!ps* sorry .. maybe PMS! and anyone here my comment that offenced Irish around here or not? i try to find out... hi babyoiy ... what scutfargus (and other fundamental christians) believe is that is them and them only who will go to heaven, nobody else. so that means jews, muslims, buddhist, aetheists and christians who are not "born again" will all go to hell !!! no point even trying to understand what he's preaching because most christians don't believe his form of christianity or indoctrination. in fact according to scutfargus and his ilk most christians will also go to hell. the catholic faith is actually the largest "christian" organisation, but is not recognised as "christian" by fundamentalists and some even see the pope as the "anti-christ'. thank god (pun intended) i saw the light and walked away from it all many years ago. ps. no offence taken babyoiy, obviously some spineless prick hiding behind ur ID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutfargus Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 One of the things that many people don't get when they read this or that passage in the Bible, "peace" often refers to peace between man and God, and not to world peace (although there are instances when it means that as well). so let me get this straight ... peace in the bible refers to peace betweeen man and god not world peace. ok got that. although there are instances when it means world peace as well ... so basically it can mean whatever u want when ever u want. it is an INDIVIDUAL"S interpretation. No, it depends upon the context. Such as, "Blessed are the peacemakers;" that, since it is spoken to his disciples, is more reasonably applied to peace between man and God. Ditto for Isa. 9:6 where Jesus is called the Prince of Peace. Isa. 53:5: But He was wounded for our transgressions; He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was on Him; and with His stripes we ourselves are healed. is clearly about peace between man and God. There can be peace in the soul, e.g., You will keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on You; because he trusts in You (Isa. 26:3). Some can be a mixture, e.g., "There is no peace for the wicked." That refers to peace with God and peace in one's soul. On the other hand, there are some passages which deal with peace within a national entity: Jer. 6:14: They have also healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, "Peace, peace, when there is no peace." The key is the context and the other words used in the verse. Words in the Hebrew and the Greek can have more than one meaning, just like in the English. Much of the time, the same meanings can be found in the English for the same word; sometimes, of course, this is not the case. This does not mean you can make any verse mean what you want. The key is the topic, the general subject being discussed, the context. It is just like a conversation with a fellow human being. They may use words which can have several meanings, but the gist of your conversation lets you know what is being said. If I say to you, "I don't think there will be peace in the Middle East" then I am obviously speaking about peace between various groups in the Middle East. If I say, "You are not at peace with God" then I am speaking about peace between you and God, as you are a natural enemy of God (as I am...we are born that way). It is not difficult to figure out the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs3602001 Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 ps. no offence taken babyoiy, obviously some spineless prick hiding behind ur ID. Who is this spineless prick you speak of? There are quite a few of them around!!! Anyway I do not think (please note I said "I") there will ever be any definative answer to this question ever. As I said before God is a very, very personal thing, ones own belief. For me intellectualising the subject or trying to systematically work through the bible to provide "proof" makes me turn away from the idea of their being a God...wait let me clarify....of their being a God as in the Bible. As I see people have alreay said this is really a "yes or no" answer, the reasoning behind it for an individual is sometimes beyond words, it is based more on faith1 feeling and personal experience. OK Cairan, do tell.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 ps. no offence taken babyoiy, obviously some spineless prick hiding behind ur ID. Who is this spineless prick you speak of? There are quite a few of them around!!! OK Cairan, do tell.... don't know Craig as it appears someone got into babyoiy's ID and used it to send me a PM. smart guy or what ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutfargus Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 oh c'mon man! .... Im not religious... and I dont studied in the part that how many places he were travelling around asia.. but yeah he did travel to many place. U know I dont care.. if buddha existed or not but the way that we buddhist have been told its always make sense... thats whats the main reason! And Buddhism is older than Christianity, but both are so different. The point is its the thing that we cant proof! And before I respected about Christianity more than now!!!! Ur not help anything better.. its even worse. Christianity goes back to the fall of Adam, where an innocent animal was slaughtered to teach Adam and Eve salvation through Jesus Christ. And very few people ever latch onto the sacrifice of Jesus Christ the first time that they hear about Him. I went to daily vacation Bible school for a couple weeks one summer when I was a child and I could no more have told you anything about Jesus Christ than about how to build an airplane. and I was talking to Metha.... coz I dont know why he bother talking about Buddhism! yeah yeah yeah .. u all Muslim-Christian-Jewish believe in God ... sorry that Buddhism is different. I dont believe about confession and all sin gone if ur Muslim or Christian.. and also u all going to heaven! thats sound weird to me!! We all sin; we all do that which is wrong. No matter what you believe, you know that sometimes you have done the wrong thing and you certainly know others who have done the wrong thing. Only those who believe in Jesus Christ spend eternity with Jesus Christ. Buddha was not God; Mohammed was not God. It should be clear that everyone who spends eternity in the Lake of Fire will choose that for themselves. If you spend every second of your entire lifetime rejecting Jesus Christ, why do you think you will suddenly want to spend eternity with Him? That would be illogical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs3602001 Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 ps. no offence taken babyoiy, obviously some spineless prick hiding behind ur ID. Who is this spineless prick you speak of? There are quite a few of them around!!! OK Cairan, do tell.... don't know Craig as it appears someone got into babyoiy's ID and used it to send me a PM. smart guy or what ?? Oh well, whoever it is, is a prick, I mean at least when we have something to say it is said directly to each other, private messaging from someone elses account is comical/pathetic. Thank GOD we can be direct without the use of others accounts :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Only those who believe in Jesus Christ spend eternity with Jesus Christ. Buddha was not God; Mohammed was not God. It should be clear that everyone who spends eternity in the Lake of Fire will choose that for themselves. If you spend every second of your entire lifetime rejecting Jesus Christ, why do you think you will suddenly want to spend eternity with Him? That would be illogical. what about the ppl who for centuries or milenia never even heard of jesus christ ? are they all going to burn in hell with the rest of us poor unsaved souls ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs3602001 Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Only those who believe in Jesus Christ spend eternity with Jesus Christ. Buddha was not God; Mohammed was not God. It should be clear that everyone who spends eternity in the Lake of Fire will choose that for themselves. If you spend every second of your entire lifetime rejecting Jesus Christ, why do you think you will suddenly want to spend eternity with Him? That would be illogical. what about the ppl who for centuries or milenia never even heard of jesus christ ? are they all going to burn in hell with the rest of us poor unsaved souls ?? Now this is an interesting point, I would genuinelly like to hear your views on this scuts. Come Judgement Day how will these people be dealt with? I mean for example people who have never had the opportunity to be introduced to Christianity in any way shape or form, are they handed the "blame"? Interesting question.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Oh well, whoever it is, is a prick, I mean at least when we have something to say it is said directly to each other, private messaging from someone elses account is comical/pathetic. Thank GOD we can be direct without the use of others accounts :twisted: exactly craig .... anything i've got to say i'll say it here or directly to the person concerned and if someone wants to have a pop at what i say fair enough, go ahead. but got no time for these ppl hiding behind a girls ID. pathetic !! funny thing is i've had much worse said about me before now and it's never bothered me in the past and won't in the future. don't know why they feel the need to hide their identity, i ain't gonna lose much sleep over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted August 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 ps. no offence taken babyoiy, obviously some spineless prick hiding behind ur ID. Who is this spineless prick you speak of? There are quite a few of them around!!! OK Cairan, do tell.... don't know Craig as it appears someone got into babyoiy's ID and used it to send me a PM. smart guy or what ?? speaking as a mod for a change: this is also babyoiy's version, and if i find the perp he's going dowwwwwn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted August 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 don't know why they feel the need to hide their identity, i ain't gonna lose much sleep over it. i'll lose sleep over it... i mean, hunting douchebags like this is my idea of a good time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 speaking as a mod for a change: this is also babyoiy's version, and if i find the perp he's going dowwwwwn. Definitely Zeus. I got the jist of the pm from Babyoiy's journal. 90% of TF members wouldn't understand the isulting context of the message. Unfortunately, I do. We don't need any mindless bigotry on TF. Leave it where it belongs. Sorry for my rant lads and lasses. I will let you get back to the "Is There a God" debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Moderator's Note Once again, I have to insist that people not use derogatory terms like "faggoty" when refering to others you disagree with. Knock it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbie36 Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Why do farang missionaries go to the four corners of the globe and try to make natives renounce the mask of god which suits them, in order to put on a farang mask - ours - in its place :?: Now this is a seriously good question. Why do we educate our children with all this stuff that we cant, by definition, have any clue about? The result is people like Scutfargus - whose mind is closed to the beauty and mysteries of this world. Worse... it is the same type of programming that leads to 'enlightened' individuals jumping into a plane and ploughing it into the WTC all in the name of their particular God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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