beej Posted July 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 8 Canadians dead, wonder what part they were playing in the terrorist world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave40 Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Golda Meir the former Israel Prime Minister said this statement, On peace, she said in 1957, before the National Press Club in Washington: Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us. Peace will come when an Arab leader is courageous enough to wish it. Maybe one day there will be peace for the world's sake i hope it comes soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 All I can think of is if Israel does not react to attacks and kidnapping is they will not be a country anymore. Unlike Lebanon, Israelis will have no friendly border to cross. If any sign that Israel was weak or losing a battle, I am sure all their neighbors will join in to help finish off Israel. Considering Iran has stated that "Israel will be blown off the face of the earth" and " The Holocaust never happened." That must have been a Hollywood trick. It is funny how all these 2000+ Rockets just happened to be sitting in people homes. there is no doubt Hezbollah have rockets which can hit major towns inside israel. i don't know if anybody knows the true rational behind their attack and kidnap on israeli soliders was (solidarity with the palestinians), but i don't believe the innocent civilians in gaza and lebanon deserve to be bombed repeatedly to try and teach Hezbollah a lesson. in fact at a time when syria's influence in lebanon was waning this could drive lebanon back into their arms again.in my opinion all the violence in the middle east (the world) is wrong, but israel (i believe) does over re-act and the endless cycle of violence continues. and please don't come this arguement if israel showed weakness it's neighbours would finish it off. israel has (depending which reports u read) either the 4th or 5th most advanced and equipped army in the world and is the only country in the region with nuclear weapons. even if attacked by all it's neighbours it would win .... and any country trying to attack them by themselves would be destroyed, if not by israel alone, also by the US who has already pledged to defend israel against any such attacks. however, i can understand why israel may believe some of the less stable countries in the region may try a "shock" attack, but i also believe israel r 100% confident they could deal with such an attack !! iran getting a nuclear capability is a different situation and something which should be prevented. however, if i was in iran and saw what happened to iraq and heard the way the US was talking i'd probably be trying to develop a nuclear missile as quickly as i could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted July 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Does anyone think that america will go into Iran in the next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted July 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 With the war against terror still unfinished and more unstable in Afganistan and Iraq! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sa_tu_art Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Go-go-go speed Vbroker! LOL Facts hardly get in the way of dementia and radical belief systems. Unfortunately, this occurs on all sides. Although I may not "blame" any side from reacting from their POV, the ways in which they react are what needs revamping. If any side had taken two hours to read Sun Tzu's The art of War, they would have learned that the best defense is to know your enemy. Show me any side in this mess that knows their enemy? If they did, they all wouldn't be sucked into each others nefarious game plans. Each side has lost it's power to the other. It's like a bunch of kids in a fight throwing haymakers and depending on luck for the outcome. You have to look at some hard cold facts in this scenario: (not in any particular order) The Jews, having lost a significant part of their total world population as a result of the Holocaust, will never ever capitulate to anyone, ever. What have the Arab nations really done to help the Palestinians in the last 30 years? Did someone say use them as political pawns? If any of you would take some time to time to read only the beginning of the Koran, you would find out why there is only one course of action that extremist's take against Jews and others, especially Shiites. But, to come up to modern times- Who wouldn't fight if someone came and took away their home? Now, it's a big mess because all sides acted wrongly and none of them are able to step back and see the bigger picture. Most strategists know that it's not wise to leave someone with no options but to fight or die. Yet, this is what all sides continually do. Even the most rational minds in the middle east seem to be muddled in the quagmire. Instead of blame, maybe since most of us here see this from the outside, we may be in a unique position of actually suggesting a plausible solution. Be creative. Think for yourselves and not from the rhetoric you've grown up with. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 can we assume katy was a fake ID, with a little bit too much knowledge on european history to be a 25 year old thai girl ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Katy was indeed a fake id and has been banned. His post deleted. Most people who read posts by Katy in his previous incarnations have generally agreed his knowledge of history, and other matters, was right out of looney tunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukhumvit_Farang Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Israel is justifiably uncomfortable with having Hezbollah in a position to attack it from inside of Lebanon and has the right to retaliate against Hezbollah for its rocket attacks on Israel. From a practical perspective, however, if Israel, as claimed, wishes to have the Lebanese army helping them control Hezbollah in Lebanon, then I don't think that killing innocent Lebanese civilians and destroying Lebanese infrastrucutre is going to help achieve this goal. Any desire on the part of Lebanon to help Israel achieve anything has been destroyed, along with the innocent lives and infrastructure. Israel's actions are not winning any friends in Lebanon and, as Ciaran mentioned, could well push Lebanon back into Syria's sphere of influence. (What is the point of this wanton destruction of a country that is just getting back on its feet after many years of troubles?) Given that this is so obvious, then, I have to at least consider the possibility that this whole Israeli overreaction was intended to provoke Syria and Iran into responding, thereby opening the door for the U.S. and Israel to invade Iran. Time will tell if this was the plan all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldMember Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Golda Meir the former Israel Prime Minister said this statement,On peace, she said in 1957, before the National Press Club in Washington: Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us. Peace will come when an Arab leader is courageous enough to wish it. Maybe one day there will be peace for the world's sake i hope it comes soon. While a more perhaps more pragmatic David Ben Gurion said at Versailles in 1919..... "Everybody sees the problem in the relations between the Jews and the [Palestinian] Arabs. But not everybody sees that there's no solution to it. There is no solution! . . . The conflict between the interests of the Jews and the interests of the [Palestinian] Arabs in Palestine cannot be resolved by sophisms. I don't know any Arabs who would agree to Palestine being ours---even if we learn Arabic . . .and I have no need to learn Arabic. On the other hand, I don't see why 'Mustafa' should learn Hebrew. . . . There's a national question here. We want the country to be ours. The Arabs want the country to be theirs." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukhumvit_Farang Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 We want the country to be ours. The Arabs want the country to be theirs." Why does the country have to "be" anybody's? How about just living together - in "our" country? I live peacefully and happily (for the most part) in Thailand without it being "my" country, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ngairo Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Good comments guys.......this is such a mess?.. So we don't have to be smart to know that America has been the biggest instigator of war in the history of the world..... It has been stated a couple of times 'if they were to clear out and leave them to it...the countries concerned would stand a better chance of sorting it out?..that is a great theory? The history would take pages to write?but here?s a brief?.this is no conspiracy theory?.but don?t take my word for it?check it out for yourselves? It is about the oil and the control?being the money?.. Go back to the late 1800?s?..the Rockefeller?s formed the Standard Oil of New York aka? SONY?.the largest electronics and entertainment company on the globe today. Within ten years they had contracted every Middle East country to supply them exclusively which now is obviously displayed under different umbrellas. Moving on?.. America owes the International Monetary Fund just over sixteen trillion dollars and currently falls behind by one billion dollars a day on the interest payment. The IMF has security over the entire military as one of many treaties they have to secure the loan. The government (GWB) does not control the money. In the case of America it?s the Federal Reserve. Both the IMF and the Federal Reserve are completely 100% privately owned by as many as thirteen private families. John F Kennedy was the first president to stand up and say ?The American government is taking back the control of the money??realizing it was his only move to stop the wars and take back control of the American military?..three days later, he was dead. Go to the IMF web site today?.it clearly states they are willing to finance anybody who wants to go to war to support America?.we could get a TF group together and get finance to go to war tomorrow?..scary?.we would probably have to agree to bash Iran as part of the deal. GWB is a puppet like the rest of them?..considering the people that control him own 95% of the wealth in the world?.the plan is obvious?..they have been doing it for centuries....use America to blitz all the nations they want control over and the conflict can be created in many ways to get to who they want?..next Iran?.watch?.they are quite happy for George to behave like an idiot and get caught in scandal?.he works for them. So does Tony Blair and all others including our prime minister in NZ. These private families turn lead into gold?...considering they fund every arm used in every single war on both sides via the debt they create through every nation?..and have done since the 18th century. There is only one nation on record that doesn?t have a debt to the IMF?.it?s Vanuatu?.interesting place?.no debt to pay?therefore no taxes to pay etc?. So why Israel???....look who?s created the conflict for both sides??.good old George and he is ready to move in again?.there?s lots to be gained for the families out of this one so Israel is an obvious choice as they have had it brewing for ages?. All religions meet at the top?.The World Council of Churches?at the Vatican where the money is distributed from?.at that level there is no human respect??only the power and the glory?.. According to them there will be no peace? and there will be mass destruction?..it?s a game to them?..a very sick one?.they just found another playing ground... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HangoutBkkcool Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Good Question. Ask Iran, Syria and Hezbolla. If the Muslums were anything like buddusit, you bet this world would be alot different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldMember Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 More well thought out, fact-based posts."Only Canada's very expensive tar sand crude reserves come anywhere near Saudi Arabia's supplies." Familiar with the initials ANWR? No? It stands for Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Some "experts" (environmentalists) downplay it's oil significance and others say it could have the most enormous untapped oil reserves yet given today's advanced drilling technology. Time will tell. >>>Yep i'm aware of ANWR...its been in the news for years and years and years. As you suggest ,no one knows what the reserves are under there and i agree..no one knows.Frankly its a complete red herring .So please lets stick to the facts :wink: "So come on...of course its very much an oil issue." Oil is an issue only as it is incidental to all of the chaos over there. To suggest America is in Iraq and is threatening Iran vis a vis Israel to nationalize oil utter nonsense. Iran's nuclear technology pursuit, their attempts to scuttle Iraq's budding democracy and Syria's and Iran's supplying Hezbollah with advanced rocket weaponry to assault Israel are the main issues. But don't let the facts get in the way. >>>Erm Israel threatening Iran to nationalise oil....Quoi? Completely lost me on that one.But sure Irans potential nuclear ability is the greatest worry in such a strategically vital region. "The maintainance of israel as a regional power and de facto 51 st state in such a volatile part of the world,is economically crucial." This is the only functioning democracy save for Iraq and Afghanistan in the Middle East. Even most Israel-hating European politicians recognize this. Again, back to the unanimous G-8 statement from the other day. >>>Iraq and Afghanistan have a functioning democracies do they? Well thats the first time i ever heard that one.Come on ..thats complete bollocks.Those places are in utter chaos. You only have to look at Dubyas complete disdain for the Kyoto protocol to realise where his priorities really are." The same "experts" (environmentalists) were screaming 25 years ago about the coming ice age. A 1981 Time Magazine cover article examined this foreboding apocalypse. There are as many weather experts that say the global warming phenomenon is natural as those who would suggest otherwise. >>>>Not sure what you are rabbitting on about here but the point i was making was that George W is obviously very determined to sustain the business and financial welfare of the USA (i wasnt actually opinionating on climate change or suchlike) .... .and what substance do you think is needed to oil these economic clogs? :wink: Cant be assed to copy paste my life away .All responses have a >>> But hey VB.....you got enough verbal flatulence to power a wind farm .We need facts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icebear45 Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Good comments guys.......this is such a mess?..So we don't have to be smart to know that America has been the biggest instigator of war in the history of the world..... So Gheghis Khan, Herod, Montezuma, Adolf Hitler, etc. were all American eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ngairo Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Good comments guys.......this is such a mess?..So we don't have to be smart to know that America has been the biggest instigator of war in the history of the world..... So Gheghis Khan, Herod, Montezuma, Adolf Hitler, etc. were all American eh? True...they weren't...but all financed by the same source..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikee_Moose Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Its statement stands in contrast to the European Union's shamefully muted voice. The Palestinians kill two soldiers and take one prisoner and, in response, power stations are blown up, sewage and water systems grind to a halt, bridges are destroyed, sonic booms terrify children day and night, and all this is inflicted on a hungry people who are under siege in what is effectively a huge open prison. The EU's response? Vague expressions of "concern" and calls for "restraint".Is it World Cup madness? The rush for last-minute cheap summer holiday deals? Couldn't European leaders show a tenth of the courage of Israel's brilliant columnist, Gideon Levy? "It is not legitimate to cut off 750,000 people from electricity. It is not legitimate to call on 20,000 people to run from their homes and turn their towns into ghost towns. It is not legitimate to kidnap half a government and a quarter of a parliament. A state that takes such steps is no longer distinguishable from a terror organisation," he wrote this week in Haaretz. Dont forget. American companies get the contracts to re-build those blown up powerstations. Isnt that just dandy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted July 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Its amazing to see the difference in news groups, from the BBC to CNN and dare I say it FOX, their reports are so different, and pro one side or the other. Some proper bullshit propaganda at work here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icebear45 Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Good comments guys.......this is such a mess?..So we don't have to be smart to know that America has been the biggest instigator of war in the history of the world..... So Gheghis Khan, Herod, Montezuma, Adolf Hitler, etc. were all American eh? True...they weren't...but all financed by the same source..... Really... :shock: Which source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttesta Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 ...but all financed by the same source..... sure, it's all from God's hand ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbroker Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Regarding the conspiracy theorist's post answer to "So Gheghis Khan, Herod, Montezuma, Adolf Hitler, etc. were all American eh?" that they were "...all financed by the same source....." The entire post is so out of whack it doesn't deserve a response. But since the allegation is the same source funded all the above, then consider the same source has to have existed for over 3000 years. Then it would have to be God. Now I expect "The DaVinci Code" to be tied into this argument somehow. Clueless. When I read garbage like that, Rod Serling's classic 1960's TV show comes to mind which opens with "You are travelling through another dimension.......a dimension not only of sight and sound, but of mind. A journey into a place whose boundaries are that of imagination....That's the sign post up ahead. Your next stop...The Twilight Zone....." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caca Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Regarding the conspiracy theorist's post answer to "So Gheghis Khan, Herod, Montezuma, Adolf Hitler, etc. were all American eh?" that they were "...all financed by the same source....."The entire post is so out of whack it doesn't deserve a response" I agree.Bottle that ass amigo. ..But since the allegation is the same source funded all the above, then the same source has to have existed for over 3000 years. Then it would have to be God. Now I expect "The DaVinci Code" to be tied into this argument somehow. Clueless. When I read garbage like that, Rod Serling's classic 1960's TV show comes to mind which opens with "You are travelling through another dimension.......a dimension not only of sight and sound, but of mind. A journey into a place whose boundaries are that of imagination....That's the sign post up ahead. Your next stop...The Twilight Zone..." Your next stop....A ' dummies guide on how to bore guys sh+tless' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankenburner2 Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Regarding the conspiracy theorist's post answer to "So Gheghis Khan, Herod, Montezuma, Adolf Hitler, etc. were all American eh?" that they were "...all financed by the same source....."The entire post is so out of whack it doesn't deserve a response" I agree.Bottle that ass amigo. ..But since the allegation is the same source funded all the above, then the same source has to have existed for over 3000 years. Then it would have to be God. Now I expect "The DaVinci Code" to be tied into this argument somehow. Clueless. When I read garbage like that, Rod Serling's classic 1960's TV show comes to mind which opens with "You are travelling through another dimension.......a dimension not only of sight and sound, but of mind. A journey into a place whose boundaries are that of imagination....That's the sign post up ahead. Your next stop...The Twilight Zone..." Your next stop....A ' dummies guide on how to bore guys sh+tless' ? sorry, the position responsible for slightly off-topic snappy one-liners is already taken...however...i do believe there may be an opening in either "sexually ambigous long-nailed moron" or " german sex tourist seeks 18 year old laos girl" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttesta Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Dont worry frankenburner he is just a child who thinks he knows it all. Its just a phase he is going through. and what phase are you going through, sir? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted July 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 vbroker, Im glad your here! I can stop watching fox news now and you can fill me in on the facts that Im missing out on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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