Aomazon Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 Of course, life is very precious. Life is the most precious thing that you can ever imagine. But again, how do you define your life? I enjoy my life every second Im breathing. But if life is really precious then why somebody tried to committe suicide or having an abortion to an innocent life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldMember Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 I will not start to publicly debate. I stop at having stated my stand on the issue. U sock it to em JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOfOrder Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Life is a system of Karma. It can be a pain from day1 until the end of it. Such a random opinion. i disagree with abortion, but i dont see why ppl would make such a big fuss about suicide. - its a matter of choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aomazon Posted November 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 So my topic is gin ok... "is life really precious" will be my topic in speaking class at school.... (controversial topics) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 life is very precious , it's the ultimate gift which God gave us . who are we to say when this gift end's , wether it is suicide, murder, abortion or any other way of ending someone's life. life is something to be treasured and not just thrown away at a wim... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Such a random opinion. i disagree with abortion, but i dont see why ppl would make such a big fuss about suicide. - its a matter of choice. some ppl would argue abortion is a matter of choice and suicide impacts on many ppl not just the person who commits suicide !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Setting aside the issue of suicide and abortion, I believe almost all people in the world regard human life as precious. However, too many people only regard as precious their own life, or those of people close to them. They view the lives of others as cheap, or without any value. And that's the source of many of the world's problems. Framing the question in terms of abortion or suicide, in my opinion, is too limited (unless that happens to be your specific school assignment). And as noted by a previous poster, the issue of abortion involves a debate on when life actually begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOfOrder Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 suicide impacts on many ppl not just the person who commits suicide !! off course, that's why im still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 suicide impacts on many ppl not just the person who commits suicide !! off course, that's why im still here. however in some exceptional circumstances it may be a positive impact !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOfOrder Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 however in some exceptional circumstances it may be a positive impact !!! I declare the same reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 suicide and abortion are separate questions from the value of a human life. "abortion is wrong" and "suicide is wrong" do NOT follow from "life is precious" even though the value of life is relevant to the suicide and abortion questions. even if everyone agrees on the value of a human life, they won't necessarily agree on suicide as it raises other questions: personal freedom vs impact on others around you, for instance. with abortion, as loburt said, the key question is "when does life begin," and there are also questions of personal freedom vs impact on others. i have yet to see anyone who insists, for example, that "all abortion is wrong" approach the question with any but the feeblest logic. also, the science around the issue is relevant and the vast majority of people who have the strongest opinions are utterly ignorant of the science involved. it's what one could call a "hot button issue" it presses people's buttons, and they dont think, they just insist that they are right no matter what. otherwise intelligent, rational people go on to present emotion-driven, moronic arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOfOrder Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 i dont know :roll: its a complicated matter. ppl who NEVER have a glimpse of experience on being suicidal will not understand WHY suicidal ppl ARE suicidal. ppl who never got pregnant under the realzation that they will NOT be able to support a child, will not understand why ppl have abortion. Frankly, i envy those who love their lives and feel that it is a gift. To me,my LIFE is NOT precious. I've seen some wasted lives that i felt was precious to be wasted.... U dont normally see it untill it's gone or until it's damaged tho. I found i lived my life preciously under the thought that i was gonna die soon. Well, i didnt die... And yet, i dont feel/see anything precious about having a life NOW...The responsibility of 'being here' is higher than the urge to 'keep a life'.... I wonder if it's genetic at all, these kinds of things..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 I wonder if it's genetic at all, these kinds of things..... doubtful that there's a direct link, genes that predispose you toward a preference to destroy yourself before you reproduce would tend to be weeded out from the gene pool because... well, you die before you reproduce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOfOrder Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 I wonder if it's genetic at all, these kinds of things..... doubtful that there's a direct link, genes that predispose you toward a preference to destroy yourself before you reproduce would tend to be weeded out from the gene pool because... well, you die before you reproduce. Well, my grandma died when she was 33 bc of drug (in term of medication) overdose. My mom was 13, and she's the 2nd child. My mom finally confessed that she WAS gonna kill us all ...along with her suicide ... when she was about 21 (ive got and older bro and sis, and i was just about 2 months old, i guess) .... she already had a gun in her hand but she realized she couldnt take away our innocent lives. I was suicidal starting age 10.... VERY suicidal when i was between 16 to 24. 'Randomly' suicidal these days....but very vague.... Thats why i thought it might be genetic...?? I guess it comes with age, cus u find more meanings of being here rather than to disappear just bc u cant bear to deal with yourself, and the thoughts of future is like a long term contract of living hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOfOrder Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 ............ i am **obsessed** with death. ((*runs to 'whats your obsession' thread right NOW*)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_love_som_tam Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 my life is precious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venus Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 life is precious when you have to live up your life for someone who depends on you. you just cant die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOfOrder Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 i wonder if a mother tried to abort her child (without the child's knowledge as he/she was growing up)...., would that make the child grow out to be killer, sucidal, or depressive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOfOrder Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 i wonder if a mother tried to abort her child (without the child's knowledge as he/she was growing up)...., would that make the child grow out to be killer, sucidal, or depressive? Though it would be a sad beginning, I think it would make such a life all the more precious and worth protecting. i occasionally understand the thoughts of abortion tho. imagine being a young woman ((or any kind of woman, for that matter))who got pregnant while she was just starting her life. and then imagine if the man is not willing to be the father. esp if you are off a family where the parents would not accept this situation. when i was under 26, the thoughts of pregnancy never occured my mind. so i was never worried. But i IMAGINE these days that, if that happened... what would i have done? I'd probably lie to my mom that i won a scholarship to abroad for a year or two!... and then burst the news when the kid is like.... 5 years old or something!! honestly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 i wonder if a mother tried to abort her child (without the child's knowledge as he/she was growing up)...., would that make the child grow out to be killer, sucidal, or depressive? doubt it. unless it was ultra-late in the term the fetus isn't terribly viable. a slug that is growing into a human is unlikely to be sentient enough to give a **** (except for a strong instinct to survive at most and early on, when most abortions are performed, not even that). more likely though a woman who tries to abort her child then keeps it is unsettled to say the least. having a mom who is depressive, suicidal, or depressive can affect a child dramatically, but even then different children respond differently. there is no "nature vs nurture " question not really--they both interact in complex ways to influence development of an individual. causes are more complex. in your example, the mother ACTUALLY trying to abort the child (without damaging the fetus enough to have palpable effects on the child's phsyical development) is less likely to have an effect than the daughter, for whatever reason, rightly or wrongly, SUSPECTING the mother of doing so, but even then, few things in an individual's psychological makeup can be traced back to one single root cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 i wonder if a mother tried to abort her child (without the child's knowledge as he/she was growing up)...., would that make the child grow out to be killer, sucidal, or depressive? Though it would be a sad beginning, I think it would make such a life all the more precious and worth protecting. i doubt anything you do to a foetus early in its development leaves psychological scars. unless of course you beleive in magic. however along those lines, i know of two people with nearly identical and equally sordid childhoods--an alcoholic, suicidal parent who abused them in various ways, psychologically and physically. one turned out very physically sickly but with a robust will to live, the other physically robust and considering cosmetic surgery for her many scars from suicide attempts and self-mutilations. my personal opinion is that as children they went through a lot of damaging emotions, but suicidal or violent tendencies etc are related to who they chose to blame for the situation and whether they decided to give up or felt helpless. you could, of course, blame the alleged abortion attempt for psychological damage. on the other hand, equally plausible, would be evil spirits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 I wouldn't consider Spey bad enough to be called evil. 100 pipers, on the other hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 I wonder if it's genetic at all, these kinds of things..... doubtful that there's a direct link, genes that predispose you toward a preference to destroy yourself before you reproduce would tend to be weeded out from the gene pool because... well, you die before you reproduce. Get out of that one. Hehehheeee... (You're wasted here mate.) Alright then, how about this... Suicidal tendencies could be genetic due to the evolutionary pressure for failing individuals to be removed from the gene pool for the benefit of the community. This is a case where the pressure comes not via successful reprodution but via a successful community sharing common genes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 And as per loburts point, if life if precious then it's not just suicide and abortion that are significant but murder, torture, selfishness, greed... anything that can adversly affect the quality and enjoyment of life. Hmmm murder...ok now can we bring up the US gun laws again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOfOrder Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 With regard to that subject I think and I believe that your time is your time..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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