Conservatives vs liberals

[CocoaBrotha]

I've seen a number of people here say that conservatives are more thoughtful and logical and liberals are more emotional and arbitrary. This seems like a male vs female stereotyping to me.

Aren't conservatives more likely to be people of faith rather than liberals who are more likely to believe in the logical origins of life? Aren't conservatives emotional about abortion while liberals don't get up in arms about it. Aren't conservatives more likely to respond to the the emotion of fear whereas liberals stand for principles in the face of fear mongering?

Thoughts?

[zeusbheld]

conservatives? more thoughtful? what horseshit. ideologues, left or right, pretty much by definition, cling to their ******* ideology like it was a ******* lifeboat and DON'T THINK.

ideology isn't principles it's brainwashing.

the left are just as incapable of thinking as the right, on average. maybe occasionally there's an oddball or two who isn't afraid to let go their dogma now and then and fire up the ol' brain cells but usually ideologues, RIGHT OR LEFT, don't bother to fire up the brain cells until they've already decided what they believe. which to my eye, is not only ass-backwards, but CRIMINALLY ass-backwards.

i don't hate politics, just politicians, pundits and ideologues of all stripes.

[zeusbheld]

I've seen a number of people here say that conservatives are more thoughtful and logical

i just noticed that word, "here." while there certainly have been conservatives who were thoughtful and logical (William F Buckley for example)... when the **** has anyone who identified themselves as a "conservative" ON TF EVER been "thoughtful" or "logical"?

please post them out to me; i REALLY am interested as i'm currently under the impression that TF's conservatives are either as dirt-stupid as p___d or as intellectually dishonest as v______r.

note that these observations don't necessarily apply to the wider world, just TF.

[DeanW]

Aren't conservatives more likely to be people of faith rather than liberals who are more likely to believe in the logical origins of life? Aren't conservatives emotional about abortion while liberals don't get up in arms about it. Aren't conservatives more likely to respond to the the emotion of fear whereas liberals stand for principles in the face of fear mongering?

Thoughts?

I thought it was exactly the opposite. Conservatives tend to work with logic and facts, and analyse the impact of their decisions on the things that matter. Liberals tend to use emotion and faith-based reasoning...at least that seems to be the way of thinsg in Australia, although I bet theres heaps of people who'll disagree.

Case in point: we have a liberal government now after 11 years of conservative govt. The Rudd government's main achievements so far have been to:

1. Ratify Kyoto (without the inclusion of the biggest carbon emitters such as USA, India and China its frankly nothing more than a populist feelgood policy)

2. Say sorry to Indigenous Australians (they deserve it, but its done absolutely nothing to change their dire situation)

3. Tax alcopops (another populist decision which has had exactly the reverse outcome desired ie kids are now drinking straight from spirit bottles).

The previous conservative government were seen as heartless but they at least understood the impact of their decisions before they made them.

[CiaranM]

please post them out to me; i REALLY am interested as i'm currently under the impression that TF's conservatives are either as dirt-stupid as p___d or as intellectually dishonest as v______r.

note that these observations don't necessarily apply to the wider world, just TF.

i think that's very unfair .... to dirt !!!

[eagle]

The Media makes us all think conservative and liberal like a football game but we should not play that game. Its divide and conquer and we all lose that way. :twisted:

[zeusbheld]

The Media makes us all think conservative and liberal like a football game but we should not play that game. Its divide and conquer and we all lose that way. :twisted:

the US was a two party system loooong before there was anything like a "mass media."

could it be that... the news media ... <gasp> follows rather than leads? nah too far fetched. :roll:

[eagle]

The Media makes us all think conservative and liberal like a football game but we should not play that game. Its divide and conquer and we all lose that way. :twisted:

the US was a two party system loooong before there was anything like a "mass media."

could it be that... the news media ... <gasp> follows rather than leads? nah too far fetched. :roll:

The media once made an effort to be unbiased. IN the US we are taught the newspapers spread the word to liberate the colonies from King George.

That type of journalism has all but vanished and the media is now owed by politcal agendas and corporate sponsors ( I think they are one and the same now adays ) Sadly the only truth in the Media seems to be the comedians. RIP George Carlin ! but then we do have, george w ,he is a laugh......

[zeusbheld]

The Media makes us all think conservative and liberal like a football game but we should not play that game. Its divide and conquer and we all lose that way. :twisted:

the US was a two party system loooong before there was anything like a "mass media."

could it be that... the news media ... <gasp> follows rather than leads? nah too far fetched. :roll:

The media once made an effort to be unbiased. IN the US we are taught the newspapers spread the word to liberate the colonies from King George.

That type of journalism has all but vanished and the media is now owed by politcal agendas and corporate sponsors ( I think they are one and the same now adays ) Sadly the only truth in the Media seems to be the comedians. RIP George Carlin ! but then we do have, george w ,he is a laugh......

a fairy tale, both that the media was ever unbiased. doesn't "spreading the word to liberate the colonies from king George" reflect an inherent bias??????? this may shock you. you better sit down for this... but "the media"? it's made of a collection of human beings, many of whom have individual biases, most of whom strive to be objective in spite of their personal biases. there is no such thing as 'unbiased' but many IMO make a good effort.

there certainly are media outlets owned by corporations, and media outlets that pander to particular demographics (and pandering-- for the most part, that's what it is, even rupert murdoch isn't as top-down as people assume he is).

strangely, though, some of those who try to be objective still have some success (for example, the reuters news feed is pretty neutral). also, some who have a very clear, and openly professed bias make an effort to do what they do in as rational a way as possible (www.fivethirtyeight.com, a website that has an open bias toward Obama but tracks polls/makes projections based on a fairly rigorous, and openly stated, methodology).

my own personal verdict is that blaming the media for everything is the last refuge of the least objective, the non-thinkers.

[CiaranM]

my own personal verdict is that blaming the media for everything is the last refuge of the least objective, the non-thinkers.

i blame TF for everything !!! :roll: :roll:

[Loburt]

Personally, I blame all of America's problems on part-time musicians from Pennsylvania.

[Stramash]

Personally, I blame all of America's problems on part-time musicians from Pennsylvania.

and there's also Bob from Wichita. A lot of the blame has to lie with him!!! :twisted:

[Administrator]

Don't forget about those half Japanese half American weirdos...

[Stramash]

Don't forget about those half Japanese half American weirdos...

if i were you I would just mention the Japanese half!!!! :twisted:

[CocoaBrotha]

You can look at it any way you want, just don't get too emotional about it.

http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/other/conservative-vs-liberal-beliefs/

[Loburt]

I have to disagree with the definitions in the first box of what you posted CB.

In my opinion, they are stereotypes.

[eagle]

The Media makes us all think conservative and liberal like a football game but we should not play that game. Its divide and conquer and we all lose that way. :twisted:

the US was a two party system loooong before there was anything like a "mass media."

could it be that... the news media ... <gasp> follows rather than leads? nah too far fetched. :roll:

The media once made an effort to be unbiased. IN the US we are taught the newspapers spread the word to liberate the colonies from King George.

That type of journalism has all but vanished and the media is now owed by politcal agendas and corporate sponsors ( I think they are one and the same now adays ) Sadly the only truth in the Media seems to be the comedians. RIP George Carlin ! but then we do have, george w ,he is a laugh......

a fairy tale, both that the media was ever unbiased. doesn't "spreading the word to liberate the colonies from king George" reflect an inherent bias??????? this may shock you. you better sit down for this... but "the media"? it's made of a collection of human beings, many of whom have individual biases, most of whom strive to be objective in spite of their personal biases. there is no such thing as 'unbiased' but many IMO make a good effort.

there certainly are media outlets owned by corporations, and media outlets that pander to particular demographics (and pandering-- for the most part, that's what it is, even rupert murdoch isn't as top-down as people assume he is).

strangely, though, some of those who try to be objective still have some success (for example, the reuters news feed is pretty neutral). also, some who have a very clear, and openly professed bias make an effort to do what they do in as rational a way as possible (www.fivethirtyeight.com, a website that has an open bias toward Obama but tracks polls/makes projections based on a fairly rigorous, and openly stated, methodology).

my own personal verdict is that blaming the media for everything is the last refuge of the least objective, the non-thinkers.

I didn't blame everything on the media but it is a huge tool now owned and used like never before. Of course it was used before but not always as one way as today in the mass media. Its how the non thinkers see the world and learn about conservative liberal BS . Non thinkers and unenvolved is most of us , watching from behind the tube busy with our lives. Yes Loburt I called the media a tool .

[Stramash]

Im a Stalinist. Shoot em all...

:twisted:

[eagle]

Personally, I blame all of America's problems on part-time musicians from Pennsylvania.

using the Media against me creating a surge of bias. mmmmmm

[Loburt]

The Media makes us all think conservative and liberal like a football game but we should not play that game. Its divide and conquer and we all lose that way. :twisted:

the US was a two party system loooong before there was anything like a "mass media."

could it be that... the news media ... <gasp> follows rather than leads? nah too far fetched. :roll:

The media once made an effort to be unbiased. IN the US we are taught the newspapers spread the word to liberate the colonies from King George.

That type of journalism has all but vanished and the media is now owed by politcal agendas and corporate sponsors ( I think they are one and the same now adays ) Sadly the only truth in the Media seems to be the comedians. RIP George Carlin ! but then we do have, george w ,he is a laugh......

a fairy tale, both that the media was ever unbiased. doesn't "spreading the word to liberate the colonies from king George" reflect an inherent bias??????? this may shock you. you better sit down for this... but "the media"? it's made of a collection of human beings, many of whom have individual biases, most of whom strive to be objective in spite of their personal biases. there is no such thing as 'unbiased' but many IMO make a good effort.

there certainly are media outlets owned by corporations, and media outlets that pander to particular demographics (and pandering-- for the most part, that's what it is, even rupert murdoch isn't as top-down as people assume he is).

strangely, though, some of those who try to be objective still have some success (for example, the reuters news feed is pretty neutral). also, some who have a very clear, and openly professed bias make an effort to do what they do in as rational a way as possible (www.fivethirtyeight.com, a website that has an open bias toward Obama but tracks polls/makes projections based on a fairly rigorous, and openly stated, methodology).

my own personal verdict is that blaming the media for everything is the last refuge of the least objective, the non-thinkers.

I didn't blame everything on the media but it is a huge tool now owned and used like never before. Of course it was used before but not always as one way as today in the mass media. Its how the non thinkers see the world and learn about conservative liberal BS . Non thinkers and unenvolved is most of us , watching from behind the tube busy with our lives. Yes Loburt I called the media a tool .

Believe what you want, eagle. I don't really give a damn. But in lumping the entire "mass media" into one big bogeyman with no independence or differentiation, you're just proving that you're as much of a non thinker as those you are criticizing.

[PJack]

The Media makes us all think conservative and liberal like a football game but we should not play that game. Its divide and conquer and we all lose that way. :twisted:

the US was a two party system loooong before there was anything like a "mass media."

could it be that... the news media ... <gasp> follows rather than leads? nah too far fetched. :roll:

The media once made an effort to be unbiased. IN the US we are taught the newspapers spread the word to liberate the colonies from King George.

That type of journalism has all but vanished and the media is now owed by politcal agendas and corporate sponsors ( I think they are one and the same now adays ) Sadly the only truth in the Media seems to be the comedians. RIP George Carlin ! but then we do have, george w ,he is a laugh......

a fairy tale, both that the media was ever unbiased. doesn't "spreading the word to liberate the colonies from king George" reflect an inherent bias??????? this may shock you. you better sit down for this... but "the media"? it's made of a collection of human beings, many of whom have individual biases, most of whom strive to be objective in spite of their personal biases. there is no such thing as 'unbiased' but many IMO make a good effort.

there certainly are media outlets owned by corporations, and media outlets that pander to particular demographics (and pandering-- for the most part, that's what it is, even rupert murdoch isn't as top-down as people assume he is).

strangely, though, some of those who try to be objective still have some success (for example, the reuters news feed is pretty neutral). also, some who have a very clear, and openly professed bias make an effort to do what they do in as rational a way as possible (www.fivethirtyeight.com, a website that has an open bias toward Obama but tracks polls/makes projections based on a fairly rigorous, and openly stated, methodology).

my own personal verdict is that blaming the media for everything is the last refuge of the least objective, the non-thinkers.

I didn't blame everything on the media but it is a huge tool now owned and used like never before. Of course it was used before but not always as one way as today in the mass media. Its how the non thinkers see the world and learn about conservative liberal BS . Non thinkers and unenvolved is most of us , watching from behind the tube busy with our lives. Yes Loburt I called the media a tool .

Believe what you want, eagle. I don't really give a damn. But in lumping the entire "mass media" into one big bogeyman with no independence or differentiation, you're just proving that you're as much of a non thinker as those you are criticizing.

for sure. the online media is having an interesting influence on things (including the Mass Media) in recent years. The Huffington report, among others come to mind

[eagle]

The Media makes us all think conservative and liberal like a football game but we should not play that game. Its divide and conquer and we all lose that way. :twisted:

the US was a two party system loooong before there was anything like a "mass media."

could it be that... the news media ... <gasp> follows rather than leads? nah too far fetched. :roll:

The media once made an effort to be unbiased. IN the US we are taught the newspapers spread the word to liberate the colonies from King George.

That type of journalism has all but vanished and the media is now owed by politcal agendas and corporate sponsors ( I think they are one and the same now adays ) Sadly the only truth in the Media seems to be the comedians. RIP George Carlin ! but then we do have, george w ,he is a laugh......

a fairy tale, both that the media was ever unbiased. doesn't "spreading the word to liberate the colonies from king George" reflect an inherent bias??????? this may shock you. you better sit down for this... but "the media"? it's made of a collection of human beings, many of whom have individual biases, most of whom strive to be objective in spite of their personal biases. there is no such thing as 'unbiased' but many IMO make a good effort.

there certainly are media outlets owned by corporations, and media outlets that pander to particular demographics (and pandering-- for the most part, that's what it is, even rupert murdoch isn't as top-down as people assume he is).

strangely, though, some of those who try to be objective still have some success (for example, the reuters news feed is pretty neutral). also, some who have a very clear, and openly professed bias make an effort to do what they do in as rational a way as possible (www.fivethirtyeight.com, a website that has an open bias toward Obama but tracks polls/makes projections based on a fairly rigorous, and openly stated, methodology).

my own personal verdict is that blaming the media for everything is the last refuge of the least objective, the non-thinkers.

I didn't blame everything on the media but it is a huge tool now owned and used like never before. Of course it was used before but not always as one way as today in the mass media. Its how the non thinkers see the world and learn about conservative liberal BS . Non thinkers and unenvolved is most of us , watching from behind the tube busy with our lives. Yes Loburt I called the media a tool .

Believe what you want, eagle. I don't really give a damn. But in lumping the entire "mass media" into one big bogeyman with no independence or differentiation, you're just proving that you're as much of a non thinker as those you are criticizing.

Sorry your so offended but Fox news is high in the ratings and it is a powerful tool . A man in the street protesting the war looks like a quack with an end of the world sign. Using the word mass media doesn't have to include everyone. I would expect who reads my words to do some thinking past the words Mass media. What rural america is exposed to with no cable and the local newspaper it is not a good thing. I'm sure Media has similar problems in othe countries. I hope the free internet survives. I guess they are not trying to control that to. My bad........

[Loburt]

I'm not offended, eagle. I've heard worse things said about the mass media than what you've written.

But I do find it a bit sad that someone with as much intelligence as you is just as prone to being a "non thinker" as those you so obviously despise.

As with many oversimplifications and stereotypes, there is some truth in what you're saying, but it's still a long way from the truth.

Maybe you should think about that for a while.

And if you mean Fox News, then criticize Fox News, instead of the entire mass media. Don't expect us to read your mind and interpret things as you want us to. Make your thoughts clear and say it plain.

[eagle]

I'm not offended, eagle. I've heard worse things said about the mass media than what you've written.

But I do find it a bit sad that someone with as much intelligence as you is just as prone to being a "non thinker" as those you so obviously despise.

As with many oversimplifications and stereotypes, there is some truth in what you're saying, but it's still a long way from the truth.

Maybe you should think about that for a while.

The media is a powerful tool and I have been thinking about that for a long time. It can sell crap products as well as ideas. Saying so is not being a "non thinker" for christs sake.

[Loburt]

I never disputed your statement that the media can be a powerful tool.

This is one of the "non thinking" parts to which I refer:

The media once made an effort to be unbiased. IN the US we are taught the newspapers spread the word to liberate the colonies from King George.

That type of journalism has all but vanished and the media is now owed by politcal agendas and corporate sponsors ( I think they are one and the same now adays ) Sadly the only truth in the Media seems to be the comedians. RIP George Carlin ! but then we do have, george w ,he is a laugh......