eagle Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 The poems would do better in their own thread. :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigKus Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 The poems would do better in their own thread. :roll: Well, Iain's poem was right to the point actually. But the next one... wtf?? :roll: I think so, ka.. Eventhough, English is not my mother tongue ( and always have problem with understanding English ) :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 ...hmm... not sure if I feel like throwing up because of the effects of the drinks last night or as a result of reading the gloupy treacle above.... i vaguely remember you saying you're australian? is that true? if so it can't be demon rum. must be the treacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 Thailand could lose Bt70 billion tourism revenue if unrest drags to 4Q08 http://enews.mcot.net/view.php?id=6119 BANGKOK, Sept 5 (TNA) - Thailand could lose as high as Bt70 billion in tourism revenue from foreign visitors if political unrest in the country continues into the fourth quarter of 2008, according to a report issued by Kasikorn Research Center. The report said violent demonstrations had already eroded safety confidence among foreign tourists wishing to travel to Thailand and there are signs that Thailand could lose about Bt35 billion from foreign tourists spending if the political turmoil could end this month. If the unrest continues until the last quarter of 2008, the country is expected to lose tourism revenue from foreigners travelling to Thailand not less than Bt70 billion, it said. Of the total projected losing revenue, about Bt20 billion would come from hotel and resort, Bt18 billion from souvenir, jewellery and handicraft, and Bt32 billion from food and entertainment, it said. The kingdom earns about Bt600 billion annually from foreign tourists spending while staying in the country. (TNA) enews.mcot.net __________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce551 Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 From the PostBag, 6 Sept 08 Referendum redux Rural leaders all over Thailand have already announced on their village public address systems the answers to the proposed referendum - over and over again in the case of my own village in Chiang Mai province. The government is "good", the PAD is "bad", the whole problem has been created by a small group of "losers" and "trouble-makers" in Bangkok, and "if you know what's good for you you'll just stay at home". The only alternative to that message, of course, comes from the local leaders that have either already organized pro-government mobs, or put them on standby - the promised reward, of course, being the sweet restoration of Thaksin Shinawatra so the people can be cared for once again. Indeed, what conceivable referendum question could yield any answer helpful to solving Thailand's current problem, when the problem is specifically the ignorance of the electorate, combined with the insatiable greed and deceit of its leaders? Sometimes you just have to take an all-out risk like the PAD, because there's no alternative to mucking out a stable! LUNG KIP ********* The trouble is PAD or the Democrats can't hold a meeting or forum in Chiang Mai without being attacked by PPP party or it's nominees. Also, the local police cannot be trusted to keep the peace. Something needs to be done to insure the peoples safety when holding open public meetings in the provinces. The only long term solution I see to the present political gridlock is open discussions at the local community level between opposing parties. That will hopefully lead to a compromise that most people can live with. Another thing, who in Thailand has a political "Vision" for the county. If there is one, I sure haven't herd it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 The poems would do better in their own thread. :roll: I agree with sathorn - my poetic (well William Topaz McGonnigal's actually) contribution had at least some relevance to topic... :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 Good idea that, keeping the rural population poor, it requires less of an investment to buy their votes. well, my political stance can often be described as neo-feudalism, a bit like neo-nazism except we wear straw hats and drink cider... :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 dad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 The poems would do better in their own thread. :roll: I agree with sathorn - my poetic (well William Topaz McGonnigal's actually) contribution had at least some relevance to topic... :twisted: just thought I would point out the seriousness of the thread is all............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 It's not serious. It doesn't really mean anything in the grand scheme. It's a two-bit country run by corrupt politicians just lining their own pockets by screwing over the people, with about as much power on the international scene as a wet rag wielding green party candidate in the US. Oh yes, it could be something. It could be something great. It could eclipse Singapore, Macau and Taiwan if it wanted to. But it won't. Not unless they really want it to. All of them for all of them. Not every man for himself. But hey, the weather's nice and the birds are pretty. Party on. The whole world is being taken over by two bit money and power grabbing people and its serious. imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 It's not serious. It doesn't really mean anything in the grand scheme. It's a two-bit country run by corrupt politicians just lining their own pockets by screwing over the people, with about as much power on the international scene as a wet rag wielding green party candidate in the US. Oh yes, it could be something. It could be something great. It could eclipse Singapore, Macau and Taiwan if it wanted to. But it won't. Not unless they really want it to. All of them for all of them. Not every man for himself. But hey, the weather's nice and the birds are pretty. Party on. The whole world is being taken over by two bit money and power grabbing people and its serious. imho You're right, I wasn't referring to the big picture. The big picture is that a fraction of the profits of a corporation such as Microsoft could feed the 60% of the world who are starving for a year, and they are merely one of 10,000 companies in a similar situation. But what's a few million dead African women and kids when you're sitting on a cash mountain? You said it there, too bad being a greedy slime doesn't make you catch some lab virus :idea: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 From Aljazeera today. Worth watching... http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/101east/2008/09/2008941437457795.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakeGeneve Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 It's not serious. Party on. How can you say it's not serious!!! I am shocked by your attitude...........BTW, some late breaking news; PAD Threatens to Flush One Million Toilets Simultaneously - Catastrophic drop in water pressure would destroy Thailand, leaders claim BANGKOK - With the Phuket and Hat Yai airports re-opened for flights after brief shutdowns over the weekend, the People?s Alliance for Democracy has threatened to instigate additional disruptive measures to show their power and organization, including the simultaneous flushing of ?one million toilets or more,? according to PAD leader Sondhi Limthongkul. ?We have our agents waiting for the order, scattered throughout strategic toilet locations nationwide,? he told an interviewer on ASTV. By flushing so many toilets at once, he predicts that water pressure would drop catastrophically, forcing Thais to wait up to 40% longer for their toilet tanks to refill. However, even this brazen act of water-closet civil disobedience is ?just the beginning,? according to Somsak Kosaisuk, another PAD leader. ?If the corrupt and illegitimate Samak government does not submit to the will of the Thai people, we will be forced to shut down the country using other means,? he said. According to PAD insiders, these actions may include sending Samak one million pizzas he didn?t order, reserving all the tables at Bangkok ?s best restaurants for Friday night to force the urban middle class to eat inferior cuisine, and mass-voting for the worst singer at the next Academy Fantasia. http://www.notthenation.com/pages/news/getnews.php?id=578 PAD Demands 70 Percent of Referendum Votes Appointed By Bureaucracy People who know better deserve more influence, says Sondhi BANGKOK ? Responding to the government?s decision to settle the current political crisis through a nationwide referendum, the People?s Alliance For Democracy has tentatively accepted the proposal in principle so long as the votes are 30% from voters and 70% appointed. This ratio is on line with the PAD?s stated ideal of Thai democracy, where election results are moderated by people who know better than easily-deceived upcountry voters. ?We are willing to work with the despised and criminal Samak government on this,? announced Sondhi Limthongkul, one of the PAD leaders. ?Let the referendum show what the Thai people are really thinking, with 70% of their thoughts appointed by moral and social leaders.? He vowed that the PAD would honor the results and stop protesting if a majority showed support for the current government, but expressed confidence that the votes would prove that the PAD?s mandate was the most popular. The Samak government had no response to the PAD demands as of press time, but analysts believe that they will object to the conditions and press for the ?traditional? referendum system of one person, one vote. ASTV and Manager have already broadcast editorials strongly condemning this ?pluralist? system of democracy as ?corrupt? and ?anti-Thai.? According to Sondhi, the 70% of referendum votes will be chosen by an elite panel of retired generals, titled Bangkok families, and the board of the Crown Property Bureau. The counting of the votes will be done by the Army. http://www.notthenation.com/pages/news/getnews.php?id=581 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chatty Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 It's not serious. Party on. How can you say it's not serious!!! I am shocked by your attitude...........BTW, some late breaking news; PAD Threatens to Flush One Million Toilets Simultaneously - Catastrophic drop in water pressure would destroy Thailand, leaders claim ... the People?s Alliance for Democracy has threatened to instigate additional disruptive measures to show their power and organization, including the simultaneous flushing of ?one million toilets or more,? according to PAD leader Sondhi Limthongkul. ?We have our agents waiting for the order, scattered throughout strategic toilet locations nationwide,? he told an interviewer on ASTV. By flushing so many toilets at once, he predicts that water pressure would drop catastrophically, forcing Thais to wait up to 40% longer for their toilet tanks to refill. No, not serious, just damn stupid. :roll: I can't believe I am reading this. What a fantastic strategy for positive change in Thailand!!! :shock: lol this one i'm not agree!! SAVE WATER PEOPLE!!! SAVE WATER!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 PAD Demands 70 Percent of Referendum Votes Appointed By Bureaucracy People who know better deserve more influence, says Sondhi BANGKOK ? Responding to the government?s decision to settle the current political crisis through a nationwide referendum, the People?s Alliance For Democracy has tentatively accepted the proposal in principle so long as the votes are 30% from voters and 70% appointed. This ratio is on line with the PAD?s stated ideal of Thai democracy, where election results are moderated by people who know better than easily-deceived upcountry voters. ?We are willing to work with the despised and criminal Samak government on this,? announced Sondhi Limthongkul, one of the PAD leaders. ?Let the referendum show what the Thai people are really thinking, with 70% of their thoughts appointed by moral and social leaders.? He vowed that the PAD would honor the results and stop protesting if a majority showed support for the current government, but expressed confidence that the votes would prove that the PAD?s mandate was the most popular. The Samak government had no response to the PAD demands as of press time, but analysts believe that they will object to the conditions and press for the ?traditional? referendum system of one person, one vote. ASTV and Manager have already broadcast editorials strongly condemning this ?pluralist? system of democracy as ?corrupt? and ?anti-Thai.? According to Sondhi, the 70% of referendum votes will be chosen by an elite panel of retired generals, titled Bangkok families, and the board of the Crown Property Bureau. The counting of the votes will be done by the Army. http://www.notthenation.com/pages/news/getnews.php?id=581 Yes, the people upcountry are so easily deceived that the opposition just can't seem to convince them to vote their way... :shock: :shock: :shock: So now, the opposition proposes that POWER of government over the whole country should reside with the ELITE - Yes, they know what is best for the people!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: Talk about being easily DECEIVED!!!!!!!! haha Does this not REMIND you of Animal Farm!!! Let me repeat what I wrote in a journal...you should NOT let your hatred and anger of Thaksin and his cronies BLIND you to the undemocratic policies being proposed here. Once your democratic rights are gone, it is gone forever (well, a very long time any way). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 PAD Demands 70 Percent of Referendum Votes Appointed By Bureaucracy People who know better deserve more influence, says Sondhi BANGKOK ? Responding to the government?s decision to settle the current political crisis through a nationwide referendum, the People?s Alliance For Democracy has tentatively accepted the proposal in principle so long as the votes are 30% from voters and 70% appointed. This ratio is on line with the PAD?s stated ideal of Thai democracy, where election results are moderated by people who know better than easily-deceived upcountry voters. ?We are willing to work with the despised and criminal Samak government on this,? announced Sondhi Limthongkul, one of the PAD leaders. ?Let the referendum show what the Thai people are really thinking, with 70% of their thoughts appointed by moral and social leaders.? He vowed that the PAD would honor the results and stop protesting if a majority showed support for the current government, but expressed confidence that the votes would prove that the PAD?s mandate was the most popular. The Samak government had no response to the PAD demands as of press time, but analysts believe that they will object to the conditions and press for the ?traditional? referendum system of one person, one vote. ASTV and Manager have already broadcast editorials strongly condemning this ?pluralist? system of democracy as ?corrupt? and ?anti-Thai.? According to Sondhi, the 70% of referendum votes will be chosen by an elite panel of retired generals, titled Bangkok families, and the board of the Crown Property Bureau. The counting of the votes will be done by the Army. http://www.notthenation.com/pages/news/getnews.php?id=581 Yes, the people upcountry are so easily deceived that the opposition just can't seem to convince them to vote their way... :shock: :shock: :shock: So now, the opposition proposes that POWER of government over the whole country should reside with the ELITE - Yes, they know what is best for the people!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: Talk about being easily DECEIVED!!!!!!!! haha Does this not REMIND you of Animal Farm!!! Let me repeat what I wrote in a journal...you should NOT let your hatred and anger of Thaksin and his cronies BLIND you to the undemocratic policies being proposed here. Once your democratic rights are gone, it is gone forever (well, a very long time any way). We have the same problem in the US. Politcal corruption is everywhere with corporate money buying power. And they lie to people to get support. You don't hear to much about protests in the US but they are happening. In the US the police have been very heavy handed even though we have a right to assemble according to our constitution its been changed into a permit only where we say only basis. Democracy is just a word and the vote here is very suspect. I do have faith in people and I hope the Thai people can find a peaceful solution. Corruption is a world wide problem ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyP Posted September 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Does this not REMIND you of Animal Farm!!! Agree! very much so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Does this not REMIND you of Animal Farm!!! Agree! very much so! The reason it reminds you of animal farm is animal farm was based on the human model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyP Posted September 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Does this not REMIND you of Animal Farm!!! Agree! very much so! The reason it reminds you of animal farm is animal farm was based on the human model You mean 'the pigs' weren't literal pigs but some kind of high society based on intelligence and subsequent wealth !!! And then, 'the dog's' must have been some kind of military organization controlled by said pigs! What about all those hard working animals sustaining the farm's financial income - OMG they were just the general poplulation weren't they!!! How unfortunate they were for not being as intelligent as those pigs! :shock: :shock: :shock: :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Does this not REMIND you of Animal Farm!!! Agree! very much so! The reason it reminds you of animal farm is animal farm was based on the human model You mean 'the pigs' weren't literal pigs but some kind of high society based on intelligence and subsequent wealth !!! And then, 'the dog's' must have been some kind of military organization controlled by said pigs! What about all those hard working animals sustaining the farm's financial income - OMG they were just the general poplulation weren't they!!! How unfortunate they were for not being as intelligent as those pigs! :shock: :shock: :shock: :wink: What's amazing about it is I was taught about the book in highschool English class. It was thought a classic after the hip 60s generation in the US, and we discussed how the pigs related to modern day humans and the satire of it all. But a few years of mega profits later and we see the whole world is becoming Animal Farm. :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyP Posted September 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Does this not REMIND you of Animal Farm!!! Agree! very much so! The reason it reminds you of animal farm is animal farm was based on the human model You mean 'the pigs' weren't literal pigs but some kind of high society based on intelligence and subsequent wealth !!! And then, 'the dog's' must have been some kind of military organization controlled by said pigs! What about all those hard working animals sustaining the farm's financial income - OMG they were just the general poplulation weren't they!!! How unfortunate they were for not being as intelligent as those pigs! :shock: :shock: :shock: :wink: What's amazing about it is I was taught about the book in highschool English class. It was thought a classic after the hip 60s generation in the US, and we discussed how the pigs related to modern day humans and the satire of it all. But a few years of mega profits later and we see the whole world is becoming Animal Farm. :shock: What is also kind of interesting is that despite our 23 year age difference and different nationalities, this novel was also part of my high school english curricula. Timelessely relevent I guess. I'd be interested to know if it is part of the Thai Secondary school curricula! But I kind of doubt it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Does this not REMIND you of Animal Farm!!! Agree! very much so! The reason it reminds you of animal farm is animal farm was based on the human model You mean 'the pigs' weren't literal pigs but some kind of high society based on intelligence and subsequent wealth !!! And then, 'the dog's' must have been some kind of military organization controlled by said pigs! What about all those hard working animals sustaining the farm's financial income - OMG they were just the general poplulation weren't they!!! How unfortunate they were for not being as intelligent as those pigs! :shock: :shock: :shock: :wink: What's amazing about it is I was taught about the book in highschool English class. It was thought a classic after the hip 60s generation in the US, and we discussed how the pigs related to modern day humans and the satire of it all. But a few years of mega profits later and we see the whole world is becoming Animal Farm. :shock: What is also kind of interesting is that despite our 23 year age difference and different nationalities, this novel was also part of my high school english curricula. Timelessely relevent I guess. I'd be interested to know if it is part of the Thai Secondary school curricula! But I kind of doubt it! Doubt it but I think by the looks of all the protesting they are learning at home. Its common for people in the US to joke about those lieing lawyers and politicians. Its just greed and power and what it does to people. Animal Planet would it be then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitschiguy Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Wasn't Animal Farm a metaphor for the Russian revolution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Wasn't Animal Farm a metaphor for the Russian revolution? Might have been but I don't remember russia being singled out as the source of inspiration. I see the book did have a universal inpact. I looked online and it sure enough was relating to Stalin's Russia. I guess with the cold war and all in 1972 when I was in high school they switched to US quicker then I remember. Its been so long I only remember politics and the moral of the book is man being man no matter what country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Wasn't Animal Farm a metaphor for the Russian revolution? It applies to totalaritarian regimes - including the Soviet. And of course, I want to be Napoleon.....hehe (j/k). Because "some animals are just more equal than others"..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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