Chatty Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Just think about this formula... and trying to find the answer... What do you think? :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIEBE Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Ôsounds like thailand. but thai gov in my eyes is not too bad. but if thai ppl still stand up for yellow, i'm sure nothing happen. everything will be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeMarc Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 you already know the answer bCool... its very sad. But... change takes time and sometimes can seem very slow. Sometimes, things may even seem to go backwards or sideways for a while. But...eventually, Thailand will get it right. I do believe that. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Bad Government + Ignorant People = World Recession? Ahaaah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Bad mouthin the US again :shock: oops sorry Bcool just sounded familiar :oops: More like ignorant people = bad government. I think the whole world is in similar situation. So much curruption everywhere ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 agree with Eagle; ignorant people + unscrupulous media = bad government bad government + greedy financial institutions = world recession world recession + rescue packages for the rich = higher taxes for the poor :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chatty Posted October 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 P'Eagle and p' Iain_D you got very good point and good formula... For me I think the important things are from Ignorant people. Ignorant in this case, not only people who uneducated but also people who don't care anything... They don't care cuz they don't know. They don't care cuz they don't wanna know. They don't care cuz they care only themselves. They don't care cuz they wanna look nice... be people who say "mai pen rai" all the time. So from these reasons bring bad government, cuz ignorant people don't care where the gov. come from.... these ppl can be bought, and don't care where the money which buy them from. some ignorant people just don't care what will happen in the future, just feel like "i'm fine" As peeMarc said I know the answer and I do believe a lot of people know the answer. Hard to fix the world. Just let it be? English_Bob and Milk_Biscuit, yes bad gov. + ignorant people = world recession and corruption and etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJack Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 peasants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterMatlock Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Take the money/petty favors offered by the "wrong" political nominee who when elected will do nothing for the poor? OR Take NOTHING from the "right" political nominee who when elected will do nothing for the poor? If I'm poor/destitute, I think I know which way I'D be voting... :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chatty Posted October 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Take the money/petty favors offered by the "wrong" political nominee who when elected will do nothing for the poor?OR Take NOTHING from the "right" political nominee who when elected will do nothing for the poor? If I'm poor/destitute, I think I know which way I'D be voting... :roll: Wow!! this is the great example, your nation will be proud... Yes, agree, if you were poor ppl you might take something better, but remember everything has price.You get nothing buy good gov. but at least they don't take yours. Bad gov. bought vote from ppl by giving money, and populism policy, it will make country fall down cuz ppl don't know how to work, and education are important anymore, cuz ppl can get money so easy. Have you every ask, where they get money to buy vote? It's from corruption. Do you think they pay their own money? lol Don't you ask the farmers how many they get loan from the gov. How many baht they have to pay per month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterMatlock Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 I keep forgetting that rampant corruption in Thailand was invented when the TRT/PPP came to power... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnie Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Just think about this formula... and trying to find the answer...What do you think? :roll: Bad government + Ignorant people = PAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunsnow Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Anything that moves money from rich people to poor people = populism This is called in North Europe social democracy. In USA it is called "communism" or those "liberal democrats" that all the right-wing republicans hate. Yeah, Sweden for example is great example of poorly run populistic corrupted country.!!! And Finland for example gives small start up money breaks to small entreprises. Like to my brother who actually didn't even finish his eduation in college as he didn't like it. Damn he is uneducated fool too! His vote is now bought, similarly as those one million baht funds to small businesses in rural areas in Thailand bought their votes. Those darn farmers dared to buy mobile phones with their moneys which enabled them to get better price quotes from multiple places in much easier way and made their lifes and business easier despite the fact that they are figting against quite "evil" middle men who are leeching on their backs. ****, I hate those populistic policies too! ****, life sucks when the life conditions of poor people are lifted with those vote-buying populistic policies...It is weird how there has been no coups in Sweden or Finland despite these populistic vote-buying tactics!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterMatlock Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 I would think a social class would have to be pretty damn neglected when a couple hundred baht could persuade them to change their vote. If the gov't in power was really making poor people's lives better, it SHOULD take a bit more than a few dollars... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_bkk Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 I keep forgetting that rampant corruption in Thailand was invented when the TRT/PPP came to power... Corruption was obviously not invented by TRT/PPP but they implemented it/took advantage of it on a dangerously large, broad scale. This is not the right direction the ship should be sailing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterMatlock Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 I keep forgetting that rampant corruption in Thailand was invented when the TRT/PPP came to power... Corruption was obviously not invented by TRT/PPP but they implemented it/took advantage of it on a dangerously large, broad scale. This is not the right direction the ship should be sailing. The TRT discovered a new way to be corrupt... Grant small favors and give small amounts of money so they could come to power and steal. The "new politics" (read "old politics") don't want to have to grant poor people anything in order to be allowed to steal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chatty Posted October 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Just think about this formula... and trying to find the answer...What do you think? :roll: Bad government + Ignorant people = PAD Tell me why? Do you think PAD. are from the Ignorant ppl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunsnow Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Some PAD supporters that I know, neglect basic historical and political facts in favor to support PAD policies. So they are ignorant to written history and written events recorded. (This means that I do not have access to big sample but I have understanding that those opinons come from the mouths of PAD "leaders" meaning that their thoughts are not only their own twists but "official" speeches) These include things that purposedly for example supported their theory about the temple issue. Or now to claim that the "head hunt for PAD leaders is political ploy". Well, you don't really need any political head hunt just to follow normal laws of the country. In similar example Greenpeace Finland could claim "political witchunt" now that their members were convicted for occupying a crane in nuclear power plant construction site meaning they intruded to private property and caused monetary losses for the construction site. They could shout out "this is political witchunt to stop legal organization Greenpeace Finland to operate in Finland". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnie Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Just think about this formula... and trying to find the answer...What do you think? :roll: Bad government + Ignorant people = PAD Tell me why? Do you think PAD. are from the Ignorant ppl? I was not saying PAD are from ignorant people kha, but I was talking about our current situation. As you guys knows, 'ignorant' means lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated. But I think 'ignorant' can be means lacking knowledge of what's right and wrong. Sometimes education doesn't help human to be a good people.... I don't like to take side and I don't support both of them but we are all know that there was no exactly purpose about what they have been doing. They success one thing then they go next... on and on. And our country has been going down to hell... I could be wrong but then again it's my personal perspective kha. Anyway, I think they should know that our country belong to us all, not just one group... PS : I should listen to my mom... she has already warned me to not talking about politics. :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chatty Posted October 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Just think about this formula... and trying to find the answer...What do you think? :roll: Bad government + Ignorant people = PAD Tell me why? Do you think PAD. are from the Ignorant ppl? I was not saying PAD are from ignorant people kha, but I was talking about our current situation. As you guys knows, 'ignorant' means lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated. But I think 'ignorant' can be means lacking knowledge of what's right and wrong. Sometimes education doesn't help human to be a good people.... I don't like to take side and I don't support both of them but we are all know that there was no exactly purpose about what they have been doing. They success one thing then they go next... on and on. And our country has been going down to hell... I could be wrong but then again it's my personal perspective kha. Anyway, I think they should know that our country belong to us all, not just one group... PS : I should listen to my mom... she has already warned me to not talking about politics. :roll: So tell me... You said you don't like this gov. but you let them do everything they want? Do you have any solution but saying what the ppl out there are crazy and ignorant? And I tell you one thing. Doing nothing when you see the crime = you support them. So ppl who shout out loud cuz of they have right to do it... is bad? à ʹÕÂì »ÃÒâ÷Âì à ¤Â¡ÅèÒǶ֧¤¹·Õèà »ç¹¡ÅÒ§ÇèÒ à »ç¹¡ÅÒ§à ¾ÃÒÃÃռŻÃÃ⪹ì¡Ñºà ¢Ò à »ç¹¡ÅÒ§à ¾ÃÒÃäÃèÃÕ¢éÃÃÙÅ à »ç¹¡ÅÒ§à ¾ÃÒÃäÃèÃÕ¤ÇÒäԴ Oh about They success one thing then they go next... on and on. And our country has been going down to hell... So why don't you ask gov. stop? Do you know what will they do? à ¤éÒ¨Ãà ÃÃ’ÃØ·ÂÒ¹ä»ãËéà ᪹ºÃÔËÒçҹÃÙéËÃ×Ãà »ÅèÒ µÃ¹¹Õé¶Ù¡à ÃÒä» 7 áËè§áÅéÇ à ¤éÒ¨Ãà ÃÒà §Ô¹¡Ã§·Ø¹ÊÓÃçà ÅÕ駪վ仫×éÃËØé¹ ÃÙéÃÑéÂ à ¤éÒÃÂÒ¡¨Ãà ÃÒà §Ô¹ä»·Óâ¤Ã§¡ÒûÃêҹÔÂà «Öè§Ãѹ¤×áÒë×éÃà ÊÕ§ª¹Ô´Ë¹Öè§ÂÃÃä´éËÃ×à äÃé Website â¨ÃµÕã¹ËÅǧÃÒ¡ÃÒÂà ·èÒäà »ÃÃÃÒ³ ¾Ñ¹¡ÇèÒà Ç纹èà äÃè¨Ñº äÃè»Ô´ ¤Ø³à ¤Â¤Ô´äËà ËÃ×äس¡éäԴà ËÃ×Ã¹à ¢Ò ¨Ñ¡ÃÀ¾ à ¾çÂᢠ¤Ø³à ¤Âà Ëç¹·ÕèÃѹ¾Ù´äËà ¶éÒäÃèà ¤Â ¨ÃÊè§ä»ãËé´Ù äÃèµéçá»Å à ¾ÃÒÃÃѹ´èÒà »ç¹ÀÒÉÒä·Â ·¹ä´é§Ñ¤à Åç¶ÒõÑÇà ç´Ù Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyP Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Just think about this formula... and trying to find the answer...What do you think? :roll: Bad government + Ignorant people = PAD Tell me why? Do you think PAD. are from the Ignorant ppl? I was not saying PAD are from ignorant people kha, but I was talking about our current situation. As you guys knows, 'ignorant' means lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated. But I think 'ignorant' can be means lacking knowledge of what's right and wrong. Sometimes education doesn't help human to be a good people.... I don't like to take side and I don't support both of them but we are all know that there was no exactly purpose about what they have been doing. They success one thing then they go next... on and on. And our country has been going down to hell... I could be wrong but then again it's my personal perspective kha. Anyway, I think they should know that our country belong to us all, not just one group... PS : I should listen to my mom... she has already warned me to not talking about politics. :roll: So tell me... You said you don't like this gov. but you let them do everything they want? Do you have any solution but saying what the ppl out there are crazy and ignorant? Do you? Please list the solutions that your alternative government proposes to remove corruption and improve the situation for all. There is a lot of talk, a lot of demands but curiously rarely do we see a plan of action for improvement. Except of course the 'new politics' plan of removing the vote from the common majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnie Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Just think about this formula... and trying to find the answer...What do you think? :roll: Bad government + Ignorant people = PAD Tell me why? Do you think PAD. are from the Ignorant ppl? I was not saying PAD are from ignorant people kha, but I was talking about our current situation. As you guys knows, 'ignorant' means lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated. But I think 'ignorant' can be means lacking knowledge of what's right and wrong. Sometimes education doesn't help human to be a good people.... I don't like to take side and I don't support both of them but we are all know that there was no exactly purpose about what they have been doing. They success one thing then they go next... on and on. And our country has been going down to hell... I could be wrong but then again it's my personal perspective kha. Anyway, I think they should know that our country belong to us all, not just one group... PS : I should listen to my mom... she has already warned me to not talking about politics. :roll: So tell me... You said you don't like this gov. but you let them do everything they want? Do you have any solution but saying what the ppl out there are crazy and ignorant? And I tell you one thing. Doing nothing when you see the crime = you support them. So ppl who shout out loud cuz of they have right to do it... is bad? à ʹÕÂì »ÃÒâ÷Âì à ¤Â¡ÅèÒǶ֧¤¹·Õèà »ç¹¡ÅÒ§ÇèÒ à »ç¹¡ÅÒ§à ¾ÃÒÃÃռŻÃÃ⪹ì¡Ñºà ¢Ò à »ç¹¡ÅÒ§à ¾ÃÒÃäÃèÃÕ¢éÃÃÙÅ à »ç¹¡ÅÒ§à ¾ÃÒÃäÃèÃÕ¤ÇÒäԴ Oh about They success one thing then they go next... on and on. And our country has been going down to hell... So why don't you ask gov. stop? Do you know what will they do? à ¤éÒ¨Ãà ÃÃ’ÃØ·ÂÒ¹ä»ãËéà ᪹ºÃÔËÒçҹÃÙéËÃ×Ãà »ÅèÒ µÃ¹¹Õé¶Ù¡à ÃÒä» 7 áËè§áÅéÇ à ¤éÒ¨Ãà ÃÒà §Ô¹¡Ã§·Ø¹ÊÓÃçà ÅÕ駪վ仫×éÃËØé¹ ÃÙéÃÑéÂ à ¤éÒÃÂÒ¡¨Ãà ÃÒà §Ô¹ä»·Óâ¤Ã§¡ÒûÃêҹÔÂà «Öè§Ãѹ¤×áÒë×éÃà ÊÕ§ª¹Ô´Ë¹Öè§ÂÃÃä´éËÃ×à äÃé Website â¨ÃµÕã¹ËÅǧÃÒ¡ÃÒÂà ·èÒäà »ÃÃÃÒ³ ¾Ñ¹¡ÇèÒà Ç纹èà äÃè¨Ñº äÃè»Ô´ ¤Ø³à ¤Â¤Ô´äËà ËÃ×äس¡éäԴà ËÃ×Ã¹à ¢Ò ¨Ñ¡ÃÀ¾ à ¾çÂᢠ¤Ø³à ¤Âà Ëç¹·ÕèÃѹ¾Ù´äËà ¶éÒäÃèà ¤Â ¨ÃÊè§ä»ãËé´Ù äÃèµéçá»Å à ¾ÃÒÃÃѹ´èÒà »ç¹ÀÒÉÒä·Â ·¹ä´é§Ñ¤à Åç¶ÒõÑÇà ç´Ù oh... now please clam down. you say whatever you want too kha. it was my mistake to pop in this thread at the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterMatlock Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Just think about this formula... and trying to find the answer...What do you think? :roll: Bad government + Ignorant people = PAD Tell me why? Do you think PAD. are from the Ignorant ppl? I was not saying PAD are from ignorant people kha, but I was talking about our current situation. As you guys knows, 'ignorant' means lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated. But I think 'ignorant' can be means lacking knowledge of what's right and wrong. Sometimes education doesn't help human to be a good people.... I don't like to take side and I don't support both of them but we are all know that there was no exactly purpose about what they have been doing. They success one thing then they go next... on and on. And our country has been going down to hell... I could be wrong but then again it's my personal perspective kha. Anyway, I think they should know that our country belong to us all, not just one group... PS : I should listen to my mom... she has already warned me to not talking about politics. :roll: Oh come on... You should know that if you don't wear a yellow PAD shirt and wave those retarded "handclappers", that means you're an evil person who supports corruption... Apparently you're not "allowed" to have a neutral position on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunsnow Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Karnie: DO NOT GO AWAY! You were not wrong in the first place to pop into this thread. Listen to MisterMatlock's sarcastic comment too. Contribute, do not be scared away easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIEBE Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Oh about They success one thing then they go next... on and on. And our country has been going down to hell... Yes, becos of PAD .. it's not becos any corrupt govs. So why don't you ask gov. stop? Do you know what will they do? à ¤éÒ¨Ãà ÃÃ’ÃØ·ÂÒ¹ä»ãËéà ᪹ºÃÔËÒçҹÃÙéËÃ×Ãà »ÅèÒ µÃ¹¹Õé¶Ù¡à ÃÒä» 7 áËè§áÅéÇ i've never heard about it before. i'd like to know too. any evidence? and if so, what is so bad that the private company manage it. maybe it's better, dont u think so? à ¤éÒ¨Ãà ÃÒà §Ô¹¡Ã§·Ø¹ÊÓÃçà ÅÕ駪վ仫×éÃËØé¹ ÃÙéÃÑéÂ à ¤éÒÃÂÒ¡¨Ãà ÃÒà §Ô¹ä»·Óâ¤Ã§¡ÒûÃêҹÔÂà «Öè§Ãѹ¤×áÒë×éÃà ÊÕ§ª¹Ô´Ë¹Öè§ÂÃÃä´éËÃ×à any evidence? or PAD propaganda again? those vote buying excuse, every parties did, dont u have other reason to produce chaos in bangkok? äÃé Website â¨ÃµÕã¹ËÅǧÃÒ¡ÃÒÂà ·èÒäà »ÃÃÃÒ³ ¾Ñ¹¡ÇèÒà Ç纹èà äÃè¨Ñº äÃè»Ô´ ¤Ø³à ¤Â¤Ô´äËà ËÃ×äس¡éäԴà ËÃ×Ã¹à ¢Ò if it's in a democracy, it should be possible talking any kinds of directions about the head of the state. ¨Ñ¡ÃÀ¾ à ¾çÂᢠ¤Ø³à ¤Âà Ëç¹·ÕèÃѹ¾Ù´äËà ¶éÒäÃèà ¤Â ¨ÃÊè§ä»ãËé´Ù äÃèµéçá»Å à ¾ÃÒÃÃѹ´èÒà »ç¹ÀÒÉÒä·Â·¹ä´é§Ñ¤à Åç¶ÒõÑÇà ç´Ù he did not say any bad word about the monarchy. he blame Poo-Yai 's systems. his speeches in LA and Bkk was in English, maybe it was a problem of translation in thai version. He did not do anything wrong. I have evidence. I saw the video, i read the speeches in both thai and english and also i interviewed by myself. but i guess you just repeat PAD's propaganda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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