Mister Moobs Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 [quotr]Police beat protesters and fired tear gas and water cannons at thousands who rallied in Tehran Saturday in open defiance of Iran's clerical government, while opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi repeated his demand that the presidential vote be annulled. A letter addressed to the country's highest electoral authority was published on one of Mousavi's official Web sites Saturday night as eyewitnesses reported clashes between his supporters and security forces. Mr. Mousavi renewed his demand in unprecedented defiance of Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has effectively declared President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the winner of the June 12 vote and ordered an end to protests by demonstrators who say Mr. Mousavi was the winner. Mr. Mousavi didn't say in his letter whether he supported ongoing street protests. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124549040718034221.html#mod Finally, they are standing up to the religious/political persecution and totalitarianism of the past 30 odd years. I hope they get justice. And I hope the West stays out of it and lets them do it their way. Good Luck to the people of Iran in this endeavor to rid themselves of Islamic enslavement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 Surprise Surprise..... Why not just post it as a journal, its not much different than the other 100 threads you've stared. I'm starting to warm the the ''What are you doing now'' thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 Police beat protesters and fired tear gas and water cannons at thousands who rallied in Tehran Saturday in open defiance of Iran's clerical government, while opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi repeated his demand that the presidential vote be annulled.A letter addressed to the country's highest electoral authority was published on one of Mousavi's official Web sites Saturday night as eyewitnesses reported clashes between his supporters and security forces. Mr. Mousavi renewed his demand in unprecedented defiance of Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has effectively declared President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the winner of the June 12 vote and ordered an end to protests by demonstrators who say Mr. Mousavi was the winner. Mr. Mousavi didn't say in his letter whether he supported ongoing street protests. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124549040718034221.html#mod Finally, they are standing up to the religious/political persecution and totalitarianism of the past 30 odd years. I hope they get justice. And I hope the West stays out of it and lets them do it their way. Good Luck to the people of Iran in this endeavor to rid themselves of Islamic enslavement. yepp ... let's hope the regime change is BY the ppl of Iran !!!!!!!! and not from an illegal invasion .... also let's hope there's as little loss of life as possible !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 Seeing change brought about by the will of the people would be good for all mankind !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badman1970 Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 well said Eagle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 Police beat protesters and fired tear gas and water cannons at thousands who rallied in Tehran Saturday in open defiance of Iran's clerical government, while opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi repeated his demand that the presidential vote be annulled.A letter addressed to the country's highest electoral authority was published on one of Mousavi's official Web sites Saturday night as eyewitnesses reported clashes between his supporters and security forces. Mr. Mousavi renewed his demand in unprecedented defiance of Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has effectively declared President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the winner of the June 12 vote and ordered an end to protests by demonstrators who say Mr. Mousavi was the winner. Mr. Mousavi didn't say in his letter whether he supported ongoing street protests. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124549040718034221.html#mod Finally, they are standing up to the religious/political persecution and totalitarianism of the past 30 odd years. I hope they get justice. And I hope the West stays out of it and lets them do it their way. Good Luck to the people of Iran in this endeavor to rid themselves of Islamic enslavement. yepp ... let's hope the regime change is BY the ppl of Iran !!!!!!!! and not from an illegal invasion .... also let's hope there's as little loss of life as possible !!! f*ck me sideways... HOLD THE FRONT PAGE CIARAN AND JD EXCHANGE POSTS WITHOUT SHOUTING AT EACH OTHER CIARAN DOESN'T SWEAR DUMB AND DUMBER AGREE ON SOMETHING FOR FIRST TIME EVER I need to go and lie down after this shocking development. :shock: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbes Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 Police beat protesters and fired tear gas and water cannons at thousands who rallied in Tehran Saturday in open defiance of Iran's clerical government, while opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi repeated his demand that the presidential vote be annulled.A letter addressed to the country's highest electoral authority was published on one of Mousavi's official Web sites Saturday night as eyewitnesses reported clashes between his supporters and security forces. Mr. Mousavi renewed his demand in unprecedented defiance of Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has effectively declared President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the winner of the June 12 vote and ordered an end to protests by demonstrators who say Mr. Mousavi was the winner. Mr. Mousavi didn't say in his letter whether he supported ongoing street protests. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124549040718034221.html#mod Finally, they are standing up to the religious/political persecution and totalitarianism of the past 30 odd years. I hope they get justice. And I hope the West stays out of it and lets them do it their way. Good Luck to the people of Iran in this endeavor to rid themselves of Islamic enslavement. yepp ... let's hope the regime change is BY the ppl of Iran !!!!!!!! and not from an illegal invasion .... also let's hope there's as little loss of life as possible !!! f*ck me sideways... HOLD THE FRONT PAGE CIARAN AND JD EXCHANGE POSTS WITHOUT SHOUTING AT EACH OTHER CIARAN DOESN'T SWEAR DUMB AND DUMBER AGREE ON SOMETHING FOR FIRST TIME EVER I need to go and lie down after this shocking development. :shock: It seems the people of Iran went for a lie down too... :joker: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 Police beat protesters and fired tear gas and water cannons at thousands who rallied in Tehran Saturday in open defiance of Iran's clerical government, while opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi repeated his demand that the presidential vote be annulled.A letter addressed to the country's highest electoral authority was published on one of Mousavi's official Web sites Saturday night as eyewitnesses reported clashes between his supporters and security forces. Mr. Mousavi renewed his demand in unprecedented defiance of Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has effectively declared President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the winner of the June 12 vote and ordered an end to protests by demonstrators who say Mr. Mousavi was the winner. Mr. Mousavi didn't say in his letter whether he supported ongoing street protests. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124549040718034221.html#mod Finally, they are standing up to the religious/political persecution and totalitarianism of the past 30 odd years. I hope they get justice. And I hope the West stays out of it and lets them do it their way. Good Luck to the people of Iran in this endeavor to rid themselves of Islamic enslavement. yepp ... let's hope the regime change is BY the ppl of Iran !!!!!!!! and not from an illegal invasion .... also let's hope there's as little loss of life as possible !!! f*ck me sideways... HOLD THE FRONT PAGE CIARAN AND JD EXCHANGE POSTS WITHOUT SHOUTING AT EACH OTHER CIARAN DOESN'T SWEAR DUMB AND DUMBER AGREE ON SOMETHING FOR FIRST TIME EVER I need to go and lie down after this shocking development. :shock: It seems the people of Iran went for a lie down too... :joker: apparently the shock is so worldwide that Ahmadinejad and Mousavi are meeting later. In a statement read on Iranian TV, Ahmadinejad said 'If in these times of crisis and strife two such opposing forces as Mr Jackboot and Mr Alcoholic can agree on something, then surely we can discuss a peaceful solution for Iran' Reports that Israel and Palestine have also arranged an emergency summit have yet to be confirmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Moobs Posted June 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Moobs Posted June 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 Surprise Surprise.....Why not just post it as a journal, its not much different than the other 100 threads you've stared. I'm starting to warm the the ''What are you doing now'' thread. beejie poo, it's a subject that I find interesting. If you don't, there is no GOD or police state mandating your participation. You can always simply NOT click on the link. Or is that too difficult for ya? I know. Too difficult. Take a pill or two and you'll feel better bubba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Moobs Posted June 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 Seeing change brought about by the will of the people would be good for all mankind !! it would be awesome and if we could stay out of it and let it happen...so much the better some would say that none of this would be happening if not for the shadows extending from Iraq and Afghanistan some would disagree Iran should have been the first democracy of the area. But GB and the US screwed that one up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babyoiy Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 I'm praying for them.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 Seeing change brought about by the will of the people would be good for all mankind !! it would be awesome and if we could stay out of it and let it happen...so much the better some would say that none of this would be happening if not for the shadows extending from Iraq and Afghanistan some would disagree Iran should have been the first democracy of the area. But GB and the US screwed that one up. Same thing might have happened in Iraq one day. Republicans in the US are calling on Obama to speak in support of the Iranian protestors but in the US protestors are met with gas, rubber bullits etc. F*ckin hypocrits!! I wish the people of the US would awaken ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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eagle Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 I really don't think they could have forged more than 11 million votes. Just my .02... US fudges Millions of votes with both sides cheating. Its good to see the people of Iran out protesting for good government period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 I really don't think they could have forged more than 11 million votes. Just my .02... From what I read the reason the election was suspect was it was decided in a few hours and that was seen as too short to count the votes fraud or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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eagle Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 I really don't think they could have forged more than 11 million votes. Just my .02... US fudges Millions of votes with both sides cheating. Its good to see the people of Iran out protesting for good government period. Yeah, but we're talking a winning margin of 33% here (Obama's win over McCain was 7...), and Iran has a fraction of the population of you guys. I wouldn't argue against that a legitimate recount may be a disastrous embarrassment, but I can't see the winner being in question. Like I said it wasn't the numbers but the time frame that caused the problems. The protestors don't think there was enough time to count all those votes besides who won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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eagle Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 I'm sure they didn't count them all. Also, you just know there's ''other forces'' fanning the flames here for their own ends. The movie The Running Man comes to mind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CiaranM Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 educate the masses !!!!!!!!!! By ROBIN WRIGHT Robin Wright ? Mon Jun 22, 2:25 pm ETWho would have thought that Iran, a country that has been the nemesis of the past five American Presidents, might actually become a model for what Washington wants to see happen politically in the Middle East? Who would have thought that a Berlin Wall moment for the region might happen in the strict Islamic republic, where a revolution 30 years ago unleashed Islam as a modern political idiom and extremism as a tool to confront the West? (See pictures of violence used as intimidation in Iran.) Unlikely as it seems, the rise of a popular movement relying on civil disobedience to confront authoritarian rule - in the last bloc of countries to hold out against the tide of change that has swept the rest of the world over the past quarter century - is almost a diplomatic dream for the Obama Administration. I'm not talking about the regime's obstinate reaction or the brutality it unleashed on the streets of Tehran this past weekend. Even in his terse comments since the beginning of the electoral chaos in Iran, Barack Obama has made it clear the violence upsets him greatly. But in his speech to the Islamic world in Cairo on June 4, Obama spoke about the same principles that just eight days later galvanized millions of people throughout Iran to take to the streets. "All people yearn for certain things: the ability to speak your mind and have a say in how you are governed; confidence in the rule of law and the equal administration of justice; government that is transparent and doesn't steal from the people; the freedom to live as you choose," Obama said. With what now looks like uncanny prescience, he added, "There is no straight line to realize this promise ... Suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away." Yet in the midst of a debate over the U.S. role in Iran - recent past, present and future - Washington can take almost no credit for what is happening. The $400 million allocated by the Bush Administration for intelligence operations and the $75 million the State Department budgeted to promote democracy in Iran had little if any impact in changing the regime's ways or empowering Iranians. Many Iranian NGOs even publicly said they did not want, need or dare to be tainted by U.S. financial assistance. This is a revolution that has been unraveling steadily over decades, beginning in its early years. Indeed, Iran's social transformation - educating, energizing and empowering a stronger and more demanding society, part of which has now turned on the regime - may offer Washington important lessons about what does lead to change in the Islamic world. The symbol of Iran's uprising is a young woman named Neda Agha Soltan, reportedly a philosophy student whose death during the first clashes on June 20 was gruesomely captured on an already famous cell-phone video sent round the world on YouTube. A new generation of feisty women has been at the forefront of the protests. And the female factor is at the heart of Iran's reform movement. But the ruling clerics probably did not understand how it happened until it was too late. During the monarchy, many traditional families were reluctant to send their girls beyond elementary school - or to school at all - for fear of exposure to miniskirts, makeup and westernizing ways during the Shah's rapid modernization programs. But after the 1979 upheaval, traditional families began sending girls to school - and beyond. Today, the majority of university students in Iran are female - at Tehran University, they make up 65% of the student population - and they have places in virtually every profession. Iran has even had a female Vice President. And women want a bigger say still. (See pictures of people protesting the Iran election around the world.) The other engine of change is the boomeranging of a policy by the revolutionary regime that in 1979 called on Iran's women to breed an Islamic generation. They complied. Within a decade, Iran's population almost doubled, from 34 million to 62 million. The theocracy soon realized that it did not have the resources to feed, educate, provide social services for and eventually employ twice the population - and the next generation of children that it in turn would produce. It was the moment the government of God plummeted to earth - because all those young people would also have the vote. As Iran's baby boomers have grown up, the government has gradually raised the voting age ? from 15 to 16, and more recently to 18. Otherwise, the young would be the only sector of society that really counts in an election. Both better educated and savvier about the world, in large part because of access to technology, many young Iranians want something more than what the system has been willing to provide - politically, economically and socially. (Read "White House on Iran Election: A Diplomatic Plus.") In an attempt to slow the swelling demographics, in the early 1990s the regime introduced a sweeping family-planning program. It dispatched 35,000 women door-to-door to preach the benefits of limiting the number of children to two or less. It provided widespread and often free access to birth control - the Pill, condoms, IUDs, Norplant, tubal ligation and vasectomies - and made the U.N.'s World Population Day a time for clerics to preach the benefits of small families. An innovative program also required couples to attend a graphically descriptive sex-education and family-planning class before they could get a marriage license. (I attended one class with several couples - and learned a lot.) Iran has brought down the size of the average family from more than seven children to closer to two, winning a U.N. award for family planning in the process. The overall impact, however, of each of these issues and many others has been to shift the focus from rigid religious ideology to earthly realities, with solutions based on 21st century ideas like sustainable development - and, gradually, even shades of greater democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizardo Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 what was CNN doing showing that young Iranian woman who'd been shot in the chest bleeding to death, eyes rolling, blood pouring....what's the agenda there? hardly subtle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbes Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 what was CNN doing showing that young Iranian woman who'd been shot in the chest bleeding to death, eyes rolling, blood pouring....what's the agenda there? hardly subtle... Neither was shooting her in the first place. :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakeGeneve Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 ^Indeed! what was CNN doing showing that young Iranian woman who'd been shot in the chest bleeding to death, eyes rolling, blood pouring....what's the agenda there? hardly subtle... Could the agenda have been reporting some news with whatever images are available in the context of a media blackout? And now, as with all issues & incidents on TV news, the image is becoming an iconic representation of what is taking place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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