mai pen rai. Let them bleed...

[PeeMarc]

am stuck in massive traffic jam on bang na expressway. Theres a bad accident ahead.

Im sitting watching an ambulance desperately trying to get through to the scene, while drivers just refuse to give way and some even cut in front of the ambulance to get ahead. WTF!!

How did humans reach such levels of selfish stupidity, especially in a country that talks so much about 'good heart'.

Does jai dee not apply when youre late for work?

[drlovelife8]

i love thailand but i hate the **** like this................ I saw an accedent recently and the police who watched didnt even attempt to help even note it, it was like it never happened to them, only it happened less than 15 feet in front of them

[SweetieBabie]

Plenty of 'good heart' around here, yes. Common sense, no.

[KingLing]

Just be glad that you wasn't the one the ambulance was rushing to get to

[PeeMarc]

Just be glad that you wasn't the one the ambulance was rushing to get to

sorry... dont feel 'glad' at all. But as SB suggests... all this 'jai dee' stuff so many bang on about here is often overshadowed by gross stupidity and lack of commonsense.

[Katoom]

Just be glad that you wasn't the one the ambulance was rushing to get to

sorry... dont feel 'glad' at all. But as SB suggests... all this 'jai dee' stuff so many bang on about here is often overshadowed by gross stupidity and lack of commonsense.

No.

Asians generally place people into a set of concentric circles with the family at the centre. The further you're out of that centre circle the less likely you are to given any recognition.

Hence that Ambulance has no chance in a traffic jam.

Have you ever see a nice queue for a bus in Asia? Ever had people walk right into you along the street?

[PeeMarc]

Just be glad that you wasn't the one the ambulance was rushing to get to

sorry... dont feel 'glad' at all. But as SB suggests... all this 'jai dee' stuff so many bang on about here is often overshadowed by gross stupidity and lack of commonsense.

No.

Asians generally place people into a set of concentric circles with the family at the centre. The further you're out of that centre circle the less likely you are to given any recognition.

Hence that Ambulance has no chance in a traffic jam.

Have you ever see a nice queue for a bus in Asia? Ever had people walk right into you along the street?

Agree. Although I do see as you mentioned more so in places like HK, China etc.

In Hanoi I once stopped my taxi on the way to the airport because I saw a woman holding the savagely bleeding head of her husband on the side of the highway. They had come off their motorbike and it was all she could do to sit there screaming and weeping as her husband bled in her arms. I ran into the middle of the road, desperately trying to get someone to stop and help take them to a hospital. My taxi driver didn't want to get involved and just wanted to get to the airport. It took me a while to stop someone. By then he was dead.

Sad view of life in Asia.

People... if you see an ambulance trying to get past you... PLEASE pull over or get out of the way. 2 mins wont kill you... but it may kill another :roll:

[SweetieBabie]

I don't get the analogy between family oriented people and what it has to do with an ambulance.

[digitalcat]

Just be glad that you wasn't the one the ambulance was rushing to get to

sorry... dont feel 'glad' at all. But as SB suggests... all this 'jai dee' stuff so many bang on about here is often overshadowed by gross stupidity and lack of commonsense.

No.

Asians generally place people into a set of concentric circles with the family at the centre. The further you're out of that centre circle the less likely you are to given any recognition.

Hence that Ambulance has no chance in a traffic jam.

Have you ever see a nice queue for a bus in Asia? Ever had people walk right into you along the street?

Agree. Although I do see as you mentioned more so in places like HK, China etc.

In Hanoi I once stopped my taxi on the way to the airport because I saw a woman holding the savagely bleeding head of her husband on the side of the highway. They had come off their motorbike and it was all she could do to sit there screaming and weeping as her husband bled in her arms. I ran into the middle of the road, desperately trying to get someone to stop and help take them to a hospital. My taxi driver didn't want to get involved and just wanted to get to the airport. It took me a while to stop someone. By then he was dead.

Sad view of life in Asia.

People... if you see an ambulance trying to get past you... PLEASE pull over or get out of the way. 2 mins wont kill you... but it may kill another :roll:

All they have to do is have a cops give out heavy fines for refusal to give way to the vehicle and this will change within a month.

[PeeMarc]

I don't get the analogy between family oriented people and what it has to do with an ambulance.

Katoom is saying that, in Asia, people's level of concern for their fellow human gets less as they are further away (in relationship) from inner circle of family. A stranger on the street or someone bleeding on the road, or dying in an ambulance just doesn't not even exist in the hearts of most Asian people. They are 'outside their circle of concern'.

One may argue that many Thai will give to beggars on the street, but I believe this is more about personal merit making than any empathy for the beggar.

[ConcreteAngel]

much of jai dee talks.

much more of jai kaep acts.

what others can do (like cut in front of the ambulance), i can too.

no stand for what is right.

what is good for me is good for all.

[2508]

am stuck in massive traffic jam on bang na expressway. Theres a bad accident ahead.

Im sitting watching an ambulance desperately trying to get through to the scene, while drivers just refuse to give way and some even cut in front of the ambulance to get ahead. WTF!!

How did humans reach such levels of selfish stupidity, especially in a country that talks so much about 'good heart'.

Does jai dee not apply when youre late for work?

some even cut in front of the ambulance to get ahead

It seemed something we call "¾ÄµÔ¡ÃÃÃàÅÇæ" **** behave! :wink:

Or there might be the sick buffalo in that car. :?:

[PeeMarc]

am stuck in massive traffic jam on bang na expressway. Theres a bad accident ahead.

Im sitting watching an ambulance desperately trying to get through to the scene, while drivers just refuse to give way and some even cut in front of the ambulance to get ahead. WTF!!

How did humans reach such levels of selfish stupidity, especially in a country that talks so much about 'good heart'.

Does jai dee not apply when youre late for work?

some even cut in front of the ambulance to get ahead

It seemed something we call "¾ÄµÔ¡ÃÃÃàÅÇæ" sh*t behave! :wink:

Or there might be the sick buffalo in that car. :?:

haha...must be a lot of sick buffalo.... I see this every single time I see an ambulance. :roll:

[digitalcat]

am stuck in massive traffic jam on bang na expressway. Theres a bad accident ahead.

Im sitting watching an ambulance desperately trying to get through to the scene, while drivers just refuse to give way and some even cut in front of the ambulance to get ahead. WTF!!

How did humans reach such levels of selfish stupidity, especially in a country that talks so much about 'good heart'.

Does jai dee not apply when youre late for work?

some even cut in front of the ambulance to get ahead

It seemed something we call "¾ÄµÔ¡ÃÃÃàÅÇæ" sh*t behave! :wink:

Or there might be the sick buffalo in that car. :?:

pri-dtik-ra-rom leo - is leo pronounced the same way as turn?

so would this be behavior turn?

[PJack]

am stuck in massive traffic jam on bang na expressway. Theres a bad accident ahead.

Im sitting watching an ambulance desperately trying to get through to the scene, while drivers just refuse to give way and some even cut in front of the ambulance to get ahead. WTF!!

How did humans reach such levels of selfish stupidity, especially in a country that talks so much about 'good heart'.

Does jai dee not apply when youre late for work?

just 3 weeks ago I myself was in an ambulance in massive rain storm on Vibhavadi Rangsit Exway with lights on but no siren. I was in a stretcher going to get an MRI and while uncomfortable and in pain a bit and on IV it was not life threatening. I was going to Police General Hospital because my Doctor had a deal with them to do the MRI.

We were in bumper traffice for and hour when we came upon a policeman who was sitting on side of road holding his head with his motorcycle leaning against rails. The ambulance guys jumped out with first aid and started caring for the cops head injury, in the pouring rain with no umbrella.

I heard this and told them to collect him into the ambulance immediately since we are going to a hospital - THE POLICE GENERAL HOSPITAL. They were all surprised, said really? Are you sure? etc. etc. I said dont be stupid. He is bleeding and non-compis mentis. So he joined us and we turned the siren on.

[Oo.Cloud.oO]

i agree, i dont know how ppl got like that. its not just here but in many other places around the world

its almost like a sence of givin up on each other

thats sad

im always around Bang Na or Hua Mak

im glad i didnt go out today cause i was being lazy

that would upset me as well

[English_Bob]

You see this attitude every day in all walks of life here...

The 'me-first' behaviour in 7-11, traffic, restaurants and bars is unbelievable.

Many people here are completely oblivious to the world around them... hence the meandering, aimless walking, the phone calls in the cinema, the crush to get onto the skytrain or into a lift.

There is a 'kee khor' phrase which Thais use to describe people who have an undeserved sense of entitlement.

I see this through my job every single day. Whenever people find out where I work, there FIRST question is always, "Can I get VIP?' or "Can I get free entry?" or "Can I get free drinks?"

I wonder at the audacity of this "I want, I want, I want..." behaviour.

[Admin_2]

You see this attitude every day in all walks of life here...

The 'me-first' behaviour in 7-11, traffic, restaurants and bars is unbelievable.

Many people here are completely oblivious to the world around them... hence the meandering, aimless walking, the phone calls in the cinema, the crush to get onto the skytrain or into a lift.

There is a 'kee khor' phrase which Thais use to describe people who have an undeserved sense of entitlement.

I see this through my job every single day. Whenever people find out where I work, there FIRST question is always, "Can I get VIP?' or "Can I get free entry?" or "Can I get free drinks?"

I wonder at the audacity of this "I want, I want, I want..." behaviour.

Well....

Can we get free drinks or not?

I get this everyday when I stand in line waiting for something. I can't change the way I expect order and common respect. If someone cuts in front of my, I take it personally.

The worst are the stereotypical old chinese/thai women with big frowns on their faces as they shove their money in front of me to get their BTS change or whatever...makes me really want to be that stereotypical farang guy.

[digitalcat]

You see this attitude every day in all walks of life here...

The 'me-first' behaviour in 7-11, traffic, restaurants and bars is unbelievable.

Many people here are completely oblivious to the world around them... hence the meandering, aimless walking, the phone calls in the cinema, the crush to get onto the skytrain or into a lift.

There is a 'kee khor' phrase which Thais use to describe people who have an undeserved sense of entitlement.

I see this through my job every single day. Whenever people find out where I work, there FIRST question is always, "Can I get VIP?' or "Can I get free entry?" or "Can I get free drinks?"

I wonder at the audacity of this "I want, I want, I want..." behaviour.

Well....

Can we get free drinks or not?

I get this everyday when I stand in line waiting for something. I can't change the way I expect order and common respect. If someone cuts in front of my, I take it personally.

The worst are the stereotypical old chinese/thai women with big frowns on their faces as they shove their money in front of me to get their BTS change or whatever...makes me really want to be that stereotypical farang guy.

Sooo admin can i get a free membership LOL

[Admin_2]

You see this attitude every day in all walks of life here...

The 'me-first' behaviour in 7-11, traffic, restaurants and bars is unbelievable.

Many people here are completely oblivious to the world around them... hence the meandering, aimless walking, the phone calls in the cinema, the crush to get onto the skytrain or into a lift.

There is a 'kee khor' phrase which Thais use to describe people who have an undeserved sense of entitlement.

I see this through my job every single day. Whenever people find out where I work, there FIRST question is always, "Can I get VIP?' or "Can I get free entry?" or "Can I get free drinks?"

I wonder at the audacity of this "I want, I want, I want..." behaviour.

Well....

Can we get free drinks or not?

I get this everyday when I stand in line waiting for something. I can't change the way I expect order and common respect. If someone cuts in front of my, I take it personally.

The worst are the stereotypical old chinese/thai women with big frowns on their faces as they shove their money in front of me to get their BTS change or whatever...makes me really want to be that stereotypical farang guy.

Sooo admin can i get a free membership LOL

lol EB...I feel your pain.

[LakeGeneve]

How did humans reach such levels of selfish stupidity, especially in a country that talks so much about 'good heart'.

The selfishness is one thing as it is very common in BKK but often it is complete stupidity at work in traffic not recognising how helping others will help yourself such as allowing one car to move and thus freeing up a lane or letting the ambulance through will help clear the accident sooner.

If the private hospitals own ambulance doesn't get there on time, the way some of the volunteer rescue service guys, who are often drunk and sometimes get in shootouts with each other, deal with accidents I suspect one if often better getting an airlift to hospital on the heli that one of the big BKK hospitals is no promoting.

Just be glad that you wasn't the one the ambulance was rushing to get to

sorry... dont feel 'glad' at all. But as SB suggests... all this 'jai dee' stuff so many bang on about here is often overshadowed by gross stupidity and lack of commonsense.

No.

Asians generally place people into a set of concentric circles with the family at the centre. The further you're out of that centre circle the less likely you are to given any recognition.

Hence that Ambulance has no chance in a traffic jam.

Have you ever see a nice queue for a bus in Asia? Ever had people walk right into you along the street?

It is a very true statement in relation to the perception of social responsibility being directly proportional to your relationship tpo the person.However, I wouldn't lump that statement for all of asia as Korea and Japan is very different. You could walk blind folded along a street in japan and not bump into anyone as Japanese people seem to have an inbuilt avoidance radar - just hang out at Tokyo station plaza and watch for an hour or two. I'd also feel that people in Indo would generally be more inclined to help, except in Jkt.

[hyper223]

One of my favorite recollections of this phenomena was seeing an ambulance, lights flashing and siren blaring, stuck at the head of soi 33. They were prevented from driving down a completely empty sukhumvit road.

The road was empty, and the ambulance blocked because someone important had decided to go shopping at Emporium - their police escort was opening up the road so that their return home was traffic-free.

Interesting comparison of values: important person leaving emporium, unimportant person dying. Which is more urgent?

[English_Bob]

Sooo admin can i get a free membership LOL

lol EB...I feel your pain.

It's weird, isn't it? I can't remember ever asking you (or anyone else) for free stuff... I'd be too embarrassed.

I remember getting tables of Indian guests in a restaurant I managed. And they ALWAYS asked for a discount... AFTER eating their meal.

And I used to think (not say), "Hmmm instead of asking for a discount after you've eaten, why don't you just choose a restaurant you can afford in the first ******* place and go there?"

[Admin_2]

One of my favorite recollections of this phenomena was seeing an ambulance, lights flashing and siren blaring, stuck at the head of soi 33. They were prevented from driving down a completely empty sukhumvit road.

The road was empty, and the ambulance blocked because someone important had decided to go shopping at Emporium - their police escort was opening up the road so that their return home was traffic-free.

Interesting comparison of values: important person leaving emporium, unimportant person dying. Which is more urgent?

Hey...

It's a matter of national security.

:roll:

[beej]

The not getting out of the way for an ambulance still freaks me out..... I've seen them get stuck at the traffic lights and watched as the police both didn't bother to react.

f**ked