Who gave Israel "the Bomb?"

[Mister Moobs]

Israel would of been over run? the Arabs did try to overrun Israel and the Arabs got their a*s's beat down in 10 days, (10 days war) It took 10 days for Israel to destroy the entire Arab army.

Isreal dominates the sky, in a desert war Air power wins handsdown.

Even if it's sarcasm.. 3 to 4 billion USD every year and six days.. never asked yourself why they call it "Six-Day War"?

I don't have to say it wasn't the "entire Arab army"?!?

@JD .. for you "agenda"

Total US Aid from 1949 - 1996

Israeli "countries" -> 62,5 Billion USD (from 1949 - 2005 -> 100billion USD)

NON Israeli countries -> 62,5 Billion USD (still peanuts compared to Japan and olde Europe)

come one dude, you give Arabs too much credit, Greenland's army would wip any arab country.

Arabs are the biggest ******* in the world, they cant fight anyone outright, so they turn to their god and start suicide bombing everything. Once a ppl turns to their god for their answers you know they are at their last grasp.

I would have to disagree here. The Arab armies aren't *******. They do not lack courage. What they lack is discipline, a sound command structure, an NCO Corps and the ability to deploy a modern, well trained military. They lack leadership. Especially a leadership/command structure that cares about their troops. Arab/Muslim soldiers are used much like the old Soviet/Chinese Armies were used. Bodies to stop bullets and create a tide of momentum.

If the Arabs ever get leadership and discipline to match their courage, the world will be quickly converted by the sword to Islam.

[Mister Moobs]

Ok.

Wikipedia says that a "Pom" is an Aussie or a Brit. So to whom are you guys referring? Or is it both?

[Stramash]

Ok.

Wikipedia says that a "Pom" is an Aussie or a Brit. So to whom are you guys referring? Or is it both?

It refers to Brits or English - comes from the days of transportation to the colonies and has several roots - the sailors doing the transportation had hats with red pom pons, but it is also thought to come from the acronyms, POHM (prisoner of her majesty) or POME (prisoner of mother england)

[Stramash]

come one dude, you give Arabs too much credit, Greenland's army would wip any arab country.

Arabs are the biggest ******* in the world, they cant fight anyone outright, so they turn to their god and start suicide bombing everything. Once a ppl turns to their god for their answers you know they are at their last grasp.

sweet Jesus of Macrihanish, I see a pattern emerging here.

You really do just open your mouth and let the faecal matter flow forth without thinking don't you.

:roll:

[grezzzy_greer]

isnt it kinda obvious who gave the Jews the bomb?

the US has been giving Iseral $5 billion worth of Add every single year.

Bit of an overstatement.

Funny how no one hates on the fact that we give AID to Egypt and several other countries as well.

Guess it doesn't fit the agenda. lol

Just for interest - have a read of what it's costing you, as a taxpayer in the US ...the aid to Egypt in 2007 was $455 million, but the report in the link mentions figures in the billions per year to Israel...why such disproportionate figures I wonder?

http://www.washington-report.org/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

[Mister Moobs]

It is my understanding that prior to the Nasser leading the Egyptians over to the Soviet side of the house, that it was pretty even. Ike's policy was to keep the area balanced militarily.

I'd say their having sided with the Soviets in the Cold War has a bit to do with the disparity. Not to mention the great democratic government of Hosni Mubarak. Let's give a ton of aid to Egypt so that Mubarak can squirrel away most of it in his Swiss bank account.

They chose the wrong side.

Much like their choice to jump on that Hitler bandwagon during the Second World War.

I can understand their fight against colonialism, but, siding with Hitler and then Stalin/Khruschev.

Talk about a string of bad choices. You'd thought they'd have learned after the fate of the Ottomans in the post World War 1 era.

But...go figure. :roll:

[maidai]

isnt it kinda obvious who gave the Jews the bomb?

the US has been giving Iseral $5 billion worth of Add every single year.

Bit of an overstatement.

Funny how no one hates on the fact that we give AID to Egypt and several other countries as well.

Guess it doesn't fit the agenda. lol

Just for interest - have a read of what it's costing you, as a taxpayer in the US ...the aid to Egypt in 2007 was $455 million, but the report in the link mentions figures in the billions per year to Israel...why such disproportionate figures I wonder?

http://www.washington-report.org/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

The question should be WHy the hecK are we giving anything to either of them, i think the US is also giving palistine around $500 million also yearly.

Israel serves no interest to us in the region, thats just a bunch of BS. Its all religious BS, and has nothing to do with the national security of the US, if anything it hurts the US that we support Israel, bc it causes a lot of hate towards us. So why is the gov of the US supporting Isreal, its all that religious BS,

[Mister Moobs]

CAIRO: Presidential spokesman Suleiman Awad said that the $213 million decrease in US economic aid to Egypt this year was a result of conditions that were rejected by Egypt.

Awad said it was a unilateral decision by the United States to cut economic assistance to Egypt from $413 million to $200 million as a result of Egypt?s refusal to adhere to certain conditions attached to the aid.

?Egypt refuses not just from the United States but from any other international partner, to have economic assistance tied to any conditions, and this is a clear Egyptian position,? he said.

Awad pointed out that the US government operations package for 2009 was put out by the previous US administration and thus the conditions attached to the aid had been set by the administration of former President George Bush. He added that there had been no time to coordinate with the current US administration over this year?s aid package.

$1.5 billion was the total earmarked for aid to Egypt this year, $1.3 billion in military aid and the rest in economic assistance.

Egypt is the second biggest recipient of annual aid from the US after Israel. Egypt has been receiving aid annually from the United States under the Camp David Peace accords but under the terms of the agreement, the aid depreciates by five percent every year. Military aid has remained constant, with the cuts being in the area of economic assistance.

http://www.ilmediterraneo.it/english/press-review/rassegna-stampa/us-aid-cut-result-of-conditions-rejected-by-egypt-says-presidential-spokesman-0000979

Billions to Egypt

Billions to Israel

Hell, we give Billions to damn near everyone.

[Stramash]

CAIRO: Presidential spokesman Suleiman Awad said that the $213 million decrease in US economic aid to Egypt this year was a result of conditions that were rejected by Egypt.

Awad said it was a unilateral decision by the United States to cut economic assistance to Egypt from $413 million to $200 million as a result of Egypt?s refusal to adhere to certain conditions attached to the aid.

?Egypt refuses not just from the United States but from any other international partner, to have economic assistance tied to any conditions, and this is a clear Egyptian position,? he said.

Awad pointed out that the US government operations package for 2009 was put out by the previous US administration and thus the conditions attached to the aid had been set by the administration of former President George Bush. He added that there had been no time to coordinate with the current US administration over this year?s aid package.

$1.5 billion was the total earmarked for aid to Egypt this year, $1.3 billion in military aid and the rest in economic assistance.

Egypt is the second biggest recipient of annual aid from the US after Israel. Egypt has been receiving aid annually from the United States under the Camp David Peace accords but under the terms of the agreement, the aid depreciates by five percent every year. Military aid has remained constant, with the cuts being in the area of economic assistance.

http://www.ilmediterraneo.it/english/press-review/rassegna-stampa/us-aid-cut-result-of-conditions-rejected-by-egypt-says-presidential-spokesman-0000979

Billions to Egypt

Billions to Israel

Hell, we give Billions to damn near everyone.

Give me 10,000 GBP and I promise never to develop nuclear capability nor to invade Kuwait...

:twisted:

[Mister Moobs]

Just for interest - have a read of what it's costing you, as a taxpayer in the US ...the aid to Egypt in 2007 was $455 million, but the report in the link mentions figures in the billions per year to Israel...why such disproportionate figures I wonder?

http://www.washington-report.org/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

I'm going to make the huge jump that you obtained that 455 figure from the article below.

http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=23282&prog=zgp&proj=zme

The figure that you quote takes into account only financial aid to Egypt and excludes military aid and assistance while the aid to Israel includes ALL aid and assistance. Not to mention the propaganda spouted by the author. :wink:

But hey, it sounded good. What the hell.

[beej]

double ******* yawn

[Mister Moobs]

and a partridge in a pear tree...........

[grezzzy_greer]

Just for interest - have a read of what it's costing you, as a taxpayer in the US ...the aid to Egypt in 2007 was $455 million, but the report in the link mentions figures in the billions per year to Israel...why such disproportionate figures I wonder?

http://www.washington-report.org/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

I'm going to make the huge jump that you obtained that 455 figure from the article below.

http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=23282&prog=zgp&proj=zme

The figure that you quote takes into account only financial aid to Egypt and excludes military aid and assistance while the aid to Israel includes ALL aid and assistance. Not to mention the propaganda spouted by the author. :wink:

But hey, it sounded good. What the hell.

Actually no - the information came from the articles linked in the link - thats why I posted the link...so that the reference for the information was readily available.

I also noted on reading further down into the various articles you will find via that link...the following...

"U.S. Aid to Israel: Interpreting the 'Strategic Relationship"'

by Stephen Zunes

"The U.S. aid relationship with Israel is unlike any other in the world," said Stephen Zunes during a January 26 CPAP presentation. "In sheer volume, the amount is the most generous foreign aid program ever between any two countries," added Zunes, associate professor of Politics and chair of the Peace and Justice Studies Program at the University of San Francisco.

He explored the strategic reasoning behind the aid, asserting that it parallels the "needs of American arms exporters" and the role "Israel could play in advancing U.S. strategic interests in the region."

Although Israel is an "advanced, industrialized, technologically sophisticated country," it "receives more U.S. aid per capita annually than the total annual [Gross Domestic Product] per capita of several Arab states." Approximately a third of the entire U.S. foreign aid budget goes to Israel, "even though Israel comprises just?one-thousandth of the world's total population, and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes."

So I am not sure - I am just going by what is presented by what appears to be a well researched and documented article, with various references to sources of information from your own country and government agencies. To me it looks as if the aid is a little unbalanced, and as the author above mentions - Israel is a not exactly third world... I have been there and spent some months living just outside Tel Aviv.

[Mister Moobs]

GG,

I agree.

Begs another question:

Why do we do the same thing for a modern and affluent Europe--France, Germany and the rest.

We are still the military umbrella for Western Europe. Europe doesn't need to spend massive amounts on their defense because the US provides a defense umbrella for them. If the US were to pull out of Western and now Eastern Europe, imagine the vast sums that would be required to replace that defense. Especially against a resurgent nationalist Russia.

Russia is already playing games with the leadership of the EU with energy--oil and natural gas.

Imagine how bellicose Putin and the boys would be if the US pulled out and stated that we no longer have a military interest with Europe. That Europe is all grown and can protect themselves now.

All of the EU growth is underwritten by that horrible machine that much of the EU citizenry despises. Yet, that military presence allows the EU countries to maintain small defense structures because they know that the US military machine will back them up.

I'm all for it.

Europe should learn to defend themselves. When we halt the unbalanced aid to Israel, we should simultaneously halt our unbalanced aid to Europe.

[GoodKarma]

Is Israel preparing for some fireworks?

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,,25779463-7485,00.html

[Hobbes]

GG,

I agree.

Begs another question:

Why do we do the same thing for a modern and affluent Europe--France, Germany and the rest.

We are still the military umbrella for Western Europe. Europe doesn't need to spend massive amounts on their defense because the US provides a defense umbrella for them. If the US were to pull out of Western and now Eastern Europe, imagine the vast sums that would be required to replace that defense. Especially against a resurgent nationalist Russia.

Russia is already playing games with the leadership of the EU with energy--oil and natural gas.

Imagine how bellicose Putin and the boys would be if the US pulled out and stated that we no longer have a military interest with Europe. That Europe is all grown and can protect themselves now.

All of the EU growth is underwritten by that horrible machine that much of the EU citizenry despises. Yet, that military presence allows the EU countries to maintain small defense structures because they know that the US military machine will back them up.

I'm all for it.

Europe should learn to defend themselves. When we halt the unbalanced aid to Israel, we should simultaneously halt our unbalanced aid to Europe.

:salute:

[Stramash]

GG,

I agree.

Begs another question:

Why do we do the same thing for a modern and affluent Europe--France, Germany and the rest.

We are still the military umbrella for Western Europe. Europe doesn't need to spend massive amounts on their defense because the US provides a defense umbrella for them. If the US were to pull out of Western and now Eastern Europe, imagine the vast sums that would be required to replace that defense. Especially against a resurgent nationalist Russia.

Russia is already playing games with the leadership of the EU with energy--oil and natural gas.

Imagine how bellicose Putin and the boys would be if the US pulled out and stated that we no longer have a military interest with Europe. That Europe is all grown and can protect themselves now.

All of the EU growth is underwritten by that horrible machine that much of the EU citizenry despises. Yet, that military presence allows the EU countries to maintain small defense structures because they know that the US military machine will back them up.

I'm all for it.

Europe should learn to defend themselves. When we halt the unbalanced aid to Israel, we should simultaneously halt our unbalanced aid to Europe.

Well, considering that in the last year China has become the second biggest spender on arms for the first time ever, am sure that you will be offering your umbrella to countries closer to there in future. Interestingly, China overtook Britain and France to achieve this as prior to this year, these 2 countries were joint second in terms of defence spending.

And let's be honest; your defence umbrella has always been one of self interest as Europe has been your buffer zone against communism since WWII.

On the Russia question; I suspect that Russia will never militarily threaten Western Europe again. Instead, the gas and oil supplies will be used as a form of economic blackmail to deter action by Europe should Russia decide to move against any of its former Republics in the East. They, like the US, will be looking over their shoulders at China, who, in turn, will be eyeing the rich mineral deposits of Siberia with a certain amount of longing.

[Mister Moobs]

Of course, it was self interest. All nations act in self interest. It's first in mind. As do all (ok...maybe most) people.

Russia is coming back. Don't underestimate them. Both Napoleon and Hitler made that mistake.

I don't think that China wants to be a global military power. They want regional hegemony. they want global economic power status and the ability to protect their interests if the need arises. But global superpower, I think that is not now nor will ever be their aim. They may want the US to back out of the Taiwan deal. They may want the US to back off on defense of Japan. But I don't think they will fight over it. They'll wait us out.

I've read a few interesting articles on Russia and China lately. They are beginning to make their moves. As with all older/ancient civilizations, the Chinese are patiently buidling their power. Waiting for the right time to make their move. The Russky's are patient as well. And Europe is eagerly walking into their carefully laid web.

Now. Back to that Defense umbrella. That it was primarily out of self interest does not negate the fact that it has allowed Germany and France and the rest of Western Europe including GB to slide by cheap on defense/military spending. If the US walks away or significantly lowers our presence, all of those lofty ideals and that expensive socialism suddenly becomes massively more cost prohibitive. Defense is not cheap. Especially when the Russian Bear is breathing down your neck.

Europe has gotten by on the cheap for 50 years. You've been able to preach your holier than thou peacenik, socialist, grab a tree and hug it, Kumbaya bullshit since '45. Why because someone else has been there holding the shield. When you guys...if you guys have to pick up that shield. A different story will emerge.

I'd love it if we, the US, walked away and said' "Hey, your big boys now. You can make your own decisions. You can disagree with us all you want. It is your right as a free nation. Your right as a liberal democracy. Along with that comes the responsibility of defending your decisions, defending your stances. Now, you can do it yourself. Have at it boys." And then, we move out and halt our massive expenditures of arms and troops defending the lands of people who feel that they are too good and too peaceful to defend themselves. See how it works out for ya.

I have a feeling the US will be right back on the scene in 50 years or less. At the request of the European leadership no less.

[eagle]

thus ends the sermon of the day

[GoodKarma]

thus ends the sermon of the day

can I get an amen?

[CiaranM]

Now. Back to that Defense umbrella. That it was primarily out of self interest does not negate the fact that it has allowed Germany and France and the rest of Western Europe including GB to slide by cheap on defense/military spending. If the US walks away or significantly lowers our presence, all of those lofty ideals and that expensive socialism suddenly becomes massively more cost prohibitive. Defense is not cheap. Especially when the Russian Bear is breathing down your neck.

Europe has gotten by on the cheap for 50 years. You've been able to preach your holier than thou peacenik, socialist, grab a tree and hug it, Kumbaya bullshit since '45. Why because someone else has been there holding the shield. When you guys...if you guys have to pick up that shield. A different story will emerge.

I'd love it if we, the US, walked away and said' "Hey, your big boys now. You can make your own decisions. You can disagree with us all you want. It is your right as a free nation. Your right as a liberal democracy. Along with that comes the responsibility of defending your decisions, defending your stances. Now, you can do it yourself. Have at it boys." And then, we move out and halt our massive expenditures of arms and troops defending the lands of people who feel that they are too good and too peaceful to defend themselves. See how it works out for ya.

I have a feeling the US will be right back on the scene in 50 years or less. At the request of the European leadership no less.

do u actually believe all that crap !! european governments do spend considerable sums of money on defence, just not the crazy amounts that the US does. in fact the EU in total spends a hell of a lot more than russia annually. a little bit of research and u wouldn't look quite so silly !!

in fairness the US did protect europe during the cold war, but that was 2 super powers playing chess .... luckily the right one (or so it would appear so far) won. but let's be honest that was the US looking after it's own interests first and foremost !!

? World Total 1,470,000,000,000 2008

? NATO Total 1,049,875,309,000

European Union Total 312,259,000,000

1 United States 713,100,000,000

2 People's Republic of China 70,308,600,000

3 France 67,640,900,000

4 United Kingdom 64,005,100,000

5 Japan 48,860,000,000

6 Germany 45,930,000,000

7 Italy 40,050,000,000

8 Russian Federation 39,600,000,000

9 India 32,700,000,000

10 Saudi Arabia 31,050,000,000

11 Turkey 30,936,000,000

12 South Korea 28,500,000,000

13 Brazil 23,972,836,012

14 Australia 23,040,500,000

15 Spain 18,974,000,000

16 Canada 17,944,621,100

17 Iraq 17,900,000,000

18 Israel 13,300,000,000

19 Netherlands 12,000,000,000

20 Poland 11,791,000,000

21 Republic of China (Taiwan) 10,500,000,000

22 Greece 7,934,000,000

23 Singapore 7,860,000,000

24 Pakistan 7,800,000,000

25 Colombia 7,480,000,000

[beej]

I've read a few interesting articles on Russia and China lately. They are beginning to make their moves. As with all older/ancient civilizations, the Chinese are patiently buidling their power. Waiting for the right time to make their move. The Russky's are patient as well. And Europe is eagerly walking into their carefully laid web.

Yup and they are coming to get you them Commies so watch out!