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Have I been played a fool...in this case I think not!

I take it for granted here (USA)

but I do truely believe we have free speech here

(not saying irresponsilbe speech...you cannot shout "FIRE" at the movies...

or "bomb" at the airport)

But cannot think of anytime my speech was limited and although I hate to see and hear something like the KKK demonstrations...i would defend their right to do it.

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By the massive response I would say free speech is dead...... Just like Hip Hop (Nas)

sorry; wasn't sure if I was allowed to say anything... :wink:

:thumbleft: :lol::lol:

Sharp as a razor :D:D:D:D:D

You are free now!

ok; here's my opinion.

Obviously it varies from nation to nation. The UK or US say, has far greater levels of free speech than China or North Korea, but as a rule, there is a lot more free speech worldwide than a century ago.

As has been pointed out, the KKK can demonstrate in the US (as can those assholes from the Westboro Baptist Church) Radical Muslims can march in the UK and praise the 7/7 and 9/11 terrorists.

Of course, even in those nations with apparently free speech, voicing those opinions may bring you to the attention of the authorities. Phone tapping, e mail intercepts etc. Usually hidden behind 'anti terror laws', often aimed at misguided but generally innocent people, though some of those targeted may be guilty as sin.

During the days of the poll tax, I was on the exec of the Strathclyde Anti Poll Tax federation, who led the national 'revolt' against the poll tax, organised occupations of bailiff's offices, mass civil disobedience and stopped enforced sales of goods through sheer strength of numbers.

Every single member of that exec, and the offices, were under phone surveillance as well as a permanently parked car across from the office with 2 plain clothes photographing everyone who came in or out.

So, in my humble opinion, free speech is a relative concept; some of us have it, some of us don't, but those who do often pay a price for it, and those who are fighting for it nearly always pay a price.

:)

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By the massive response I would say free speech is dead...... Just like Hip Hop (Nas)

sorry; wasn't sure if I was allowed to say anything... :wink:

:thumbleft: :lol::lol:

Sharp as a razor :D:D:D:D:D

You are free now!

ok; here's my opinion.

Obviously it varies from nation to nation. The UK or US say, has far greater levels of free speech than China or North Korea, but as a rule, there is a lot more free speech worldwide than a century ago.

As has been pointed out, the KKK can demonstrate in the US (as can those assholes from the Westboro Baptist Church) Radical Muslims can march in the UK and praise the 7/7 and 9/11 terrorists.

Of course, even in those nations with apparently free speech, voicing those opinions may bring you to the attention of the authorities. Phone tapping, e mail intercepts etc. Usually hidden behind 'anti terror laws', often aimed at misguided but generally innocent people, though some of those targeted may be guilty as sin.

During the days of the poll tax, I was on the exec of the Strathclyde Anti Poll Tax federation, who led the national 'revolt' against the poll tax, organised occupations of bailiff's offices, mass civil disobedience and stopped enforced sales of goods through sheer strength of numbers.

Every single member of that exec, and the offices, were under phone surveillance as well as a permanently parked car across from the office with 2 plain clothes photographing everyone who came in or out.

So, in my humble opinion, free speech is a relative concept; some of us have it, some of us don't, but those who do often pay a price for it, and those who are fighting for it nearly always pay a price.

:)

agreed--- :idea:

Iain...hope you made it worth their while

and taught them a new position or two to assume :twisted:

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By the massive response I would say free speech is dead...... Just like Hip Hop (Nas)

sorry; wasn't sure if I was allowed to say anything... :wink:

:thumbleft: :lol::lol:

Sharp as a razor :D:D:D:D:D

You are free now!

ok; here's my opinion.

Obviously it varies from nation to nation. The UK or US say, has far greater levels of free speech than China or North Korea, but as a rule, there is a lot more free speech worldwide than a century ago.

As has been pointed out, the KKK can demonstrate in the US (as can those assholes from the Westboro Baptist Church) Radical Muslims can march in the UK and praise the 7/7 and 9/11 terrorists.

Of course, even in those nations with apparently free speech, voicing those opinions may bring you to the attention of the authorities. Phone tapping, e mail intercepts etc. Usually hidden behind 'anti terror laws', often aimed at misguided but generally innocent people, though some of those targeted may be guilty as sin.

During the days of the poll tax, I was on the exec of the Strathclyde Anti Poll Tax federation, who led the national 'revolt' against the poll tax, organised occupations of bailiff's offices, mass civil disobedience and stopped enforced sales of goods through sheer strength of numbers.

Every single member of that exec, and the offices, were under phone surveillance as well as a permanently parked car across from the office with 2 plain clothes photographing everyone who came in or out.

So, in my humble opinion, free speech is a relative concept; some of us have it, some of us don't, but those who do often pay a price for it, and those who are fighting for it nearly always pay a price.

:)

agreed--- :idea:

Iain...hope you made it worth their while

and taught them a new position or two to assume :twisted:

No, but we took great delight in having spare clothes at the office, arriving in one outfit, then leaving in another with hoods up!!!

:lol:

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Do we live in a free speech world?

- Nowhere in the world that is REALLY ACTUALLY free free..

(It is just the way it is..)

Do we even have the right to free speech?

- Yes we have the right of free speech (to the certain extend..)

Ironically same as ..

"All animals are equal, But some animals are more equal than others.

Where do we draw the line and call it inciting hatred?

"When in Rome, do as the Romans do "

When do we draw the governmental line and say they are trying to control the people?

- To be honest..

I think "Controlling people" is what every governments in the whole world are after..

Once you are in the power.. you barely hear what people think or say..

The power makes your ability to hear less effective..

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Freedom in the World 2010

For the fourth consecutive year, global declines in freedom outweighed gains in 2009, as measured by Freedom House’s annual survey of political rights and civil liberties, Freedom in the World 2010. This represents the longest continuous period of decline for global freedom in the nearly 40-year history of the report. In a year marked by intensified repression against human rights defenders and civic activists, declines for freedom were registered in 40 countries in Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, and the former Soviet Union, representing 20 percent of the world’s total polities.

Authoritarian states including Iran, Russia, Venezuela, and Vietnam became more repressive. Declines in freedom also occurred in countries that had registered positive trends in previous years, including Bahrain, Jordan, Kenya, and Kyrgyzstan.

“The news for 2009 is cause for real concern,†said Arch Puddington, Freedom House Director of Research. “The decline is global, affects countries with military and economic power, affects countries that had previously shown signs of reform potential, and is accompanied by enhanced persecution of political dissidents and independent journalists.

To make matters worse, the most powerful authoritarian regimes have become more repressive, more influential in the international arena, and more uncompromising.†(China)

Thailand may be the most democratic country in Asia, there seems to be less persecution of independent journalists and political activists.

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Do we live in a free speech world?

Do we even have the right to free speech?

Where do we draw the line and call it inciting hatred?

When do we draw the governmental line and say they are trying to control the people?

Discuss.

Sure, all of us have the Freedom of Speech

It depends which country you speak from, whom you speak to, whom you spoke about.

Just be glad and ready to receive, in return

a. Free lodging and meals

b. Give out free handouts after a defamation suit

c. Free bullet (s)

d. Free facial re-arrangement

e. etc, etc, etc

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Do we live in a free speech world?

Do we even have the right to free speech?

Where do we draw the line and call it inciting hatred?

When do we draw the governmental line and say they are trying to control the people?

Discuss.

If you're not living in America... you're not living in a free country when it comes to freedom of speech.

I thought my beloved Netherlands was... it's not, politician Geert Wilders is on trial as we speak for making muslims look bad.... and now things are looking bad for him.

He should somehow exit the government anyway because I think he has too much attraction to people who don't think things through but it shouldn't be because of he overdid his freedom of speech thing.

The U.S. is probably not completely free either looking back at songs like "copkiller" ...so maybe... the whole world isn't all that free.

Well at least you're free to post bullisht on this website untill you get the red cards smacked in yer face... :? even the virtual world isn't free man.

Someone stop me from killing myself :twisted:

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...all that freedom bitching is hippie and raggae crap anyway. Sure you need freedom in a lot of things but complete freedom would not be paradise at all, and it definitely wouldn't bring peace either. You need rules, simple as that. Rules to what you say should be there as well, but merely mild ones.

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Last week 5 men were sentenced for their roles in a protest which took place in March 2009. They were protesting against a military parade in the UK. Their lawyer said:

Defence lawyers had argued the right to freedom of speech was at stake and Jubair Ahmed's lawyer Sonal Dashani had referred to the French philosopher Voltaire.

He said: "Voltaire said 'I disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it'.

I am sure that Salman Rushdie and the Danish cartoonist were very happy to hear someone defending their right to free speech!

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