LasseDK Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Everybody knows something is brewing in Iran, Iran says its peacefully, the west says its aiming for an A-bomb. Apparently a new UN report indicates that whats going on is not at all friendly: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8522910.stm From default my sympathy with Iran is not very big, primarily because of the way their leader has spoken about jews which seems quite fanatic in my eyes. But in some sense i understand Iran that they are going for the bomb, as Iran has been mentioned as a target by US a few times, so they would be in a different position suddenly if armed with that crap. I doubt that US/UN can launch an attack before it would be too late, as i think we are still suffering from the Iraq scandal, would be hard to get backup for a new conflict in such size when both Iraq and Afghanistan is still unsolved. But what about Israel ? previously its been stated that they would have absolutely no problems whatsoever bombing the facility if the knew a bomb was on their way as they are prime target, and i think they are quite serious about it. What do you think will happen ? will the west attack ? is Iran not getting a bomb ? will Israel attack ? The big problem is, if Israel is heading for it, what you think would happen ? dont you think the whole arab world would jump up their chairs and we would have a worldspread confict on our hand ? at least arab world vs west ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 With all the numnuts who already have the bomb I wouldn't worry about Iran so much, worry about people being dum asses sometimes and live your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LasseDK Posted February 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 With all the numnuts who already have the bomb I wouldn't worry about Iran so much, worry about people being dum asses sometimes and live your life. ah well i do worry about Iran getting a bomb thats for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 So why is it wrong for Iran to have nukes but it's ok for Israel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANNO Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 So why is it wrong for Iran to have nukes but it's ok for Israel? No one said it was ok for one and not hte other --and gee if I was a rational Iranian leader with a nuked Russia and Pakistan as neighbors ...hosile nuked Israel (who we keep jerking around) over the horizon...grumpy USA screwing with us constantly, an nuked up Europe and the Sunni Arabs wishing we were not around.... I would want a bomb too. problem (1) is the leadership are not very rational openly support terror (not the Iranian people) --- cannot get much more terrifing than a nuke--- (2) one more nuke is one too many. on the plus side those that have them, since 1945, have seemed to recognize the madness using them....even the yo-yo in North Korea. Do ya really want to take a chance on the current group in Tehran? --but for the life of me I do not know how it can be prevented ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 So why is it wrong for Iran to have nukes but it's ok for Israel? No one said it was ok for one and not hte other Sure, but how much noise are people making about the dangers of trigger happy Israel having nukes in the middle of Arabia? Just saying. problem (1) is the leadership are not very rational openly support terror (not the Iranian people) --- cannot get much more terrifing than a nuke--- (2) one more nuke is one too many. on the plus side those that have them, since 1945, have seemed to recognize the madness using them....even the yo-yo in North Korea. Do ya really want to take a chance on the current group in Tehran? --but for the life of me I do not know how it can be prevented ! iAgree the only solution is to ban them completely. after all... which nuclear empowered nation *is* very rational and has not attacked another nation? ok, apart from France 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANNO Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 So why is it wrong for Iran to have nukes but it's ok for Israel? No one said it was ok for one and not hte other Sure, but how much noise are people making about the dangers of trigger happy Israel having nukes in the middle of Arabia? Just saying. Right! same problem as North Korea with the same internal reasoning-- no one will attack as long as we have the nuke threat... at this point what is extra noise going to accomplish? ---only add to Israel's fear--- and they have a good point, as Iran can also say! Got a solution? Nobel Peace Prize is awaiting! problem (1) is the leadership are not very rational openly support terror (not the Iranian people) --- cannot get much more terrifing than a nuke--- (2) one more nuke is one too many. on the plus side those that have them, since 1945, have seemed to recognize the madness using them....even the yo-yo in North Korea. Do ya really want to take a chance on the current group in Tehran? --but for the life of me I do not know how it can be prevented ! iAgree the only solution is to ban them completely. after all... yeah that would be nice!...Ain't happening in our lifetime I'm sorry to say which nuclear empowered nation *is* very rational and has not attacked another nation? Well Frankly and fortunately , to date , with exception of my country in '45 they all have been rational-- even trigger-happy Israel ok, apart from France 8) --always marches to a different drummer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 which nuclear empowered nation *is* very rational and has not attacked another nation? Well Frankly and fortunately , to date , with exception of my country in '45 they all have been rational-- even trigger-happy Israel "not attacked another nation?" since WWII US attacked... Iraq (x2), Afganistan, Haiti, Panama, Cambodia, Dominican Republic, Vietnam ... and I probably missed a few Israel attacked Lebanon, Egypt, Syria and Palestine China attacked Tibet .... would you trust these people with nuclear weapons? would you trust them if they'd already invaded your country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koolbreez Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 My only problem is when the USA developed the neutron bomb, but then took it off the table as a weapon, and locked up all it's technology. Imagine a nucleur device with only a 2 week half life. Meaning that after that particular bomb was dropped, and all the people were disintigrated, it was safe to go into the area after only 2 weeks, instead of the 86 - 50000 years with the current nucleur weapons. With the rantings of the current Iranian government, and their extreme hatred of Israel, the problem is when they develop a nucleur weapon, they won't be concerned with how long the residual radiation lasts, just that Israel is wiped off the Earth for good. That is the danger, and it is a real danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbes Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 My only problem is when the USA developed the neutron bomb, but then took it off the table as a weapon, and locked up all it's technology.Imagine a nucleur device with only a 2 week half life. Meaning that after that particular bomb was dropped, and all the people were disintigrated, it was safe to go into the area after only 2 weeks, instead of the 86 - 50000 years with the current nucleur weapons. With the rantings of the current Iranian government, and their extreme hatred of Israel, the problem is when they develop a nucleur weapon, they won't be concerned with how long the residual radiation lasts, just that Israel is wiped off the Earth for good. That is the danger, and it is a real danger. When was the last time Iran/Persia has attacked or invaded another country? If you want to worry about nukes possibly falling into the wrong hands look to Pakistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LasseDK Posted February 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Sure, but how much noise are people making about the dangers of trigger happy Israel having nukes in the middle of Arabia? Just saying. Difference is that Israel already got the nukes, Iran hasnt yet. I could name several countries that i wish didnt have the bomb, pakistan, india, north korea(?) - and actually i would wish that noone had the bomb. But we cannot change that, what we can change is new nations going for the bomb, otherwise following your logic in the first post, we should just let everybody get an A-bomb. Iran is not a country that should posess a bomb, Pakistan for sure is also a country that shouldnt have got it, the problem i have with theese regimes are that there are large part of religious ignorants and fanatics. If Iran gets the bomb it will suddenly be the superpower of the region, and i think alot of things in Iraq and on the streets of Teheran has shown that the world wont be a better place with this regime being the leader of the pack. Another thing about all this is that Israel wont accept it, it would be too dangerous for them to allow that happening, so if Iran continues this road ahead, then i think we are heading for something really ugly, so in the name of world peace i would prefer them to stop it right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Its just another thing to keep you all distracted and scared. With Iraq failed, and Afghanistan failing, we need something more to keep us on the edge and help us forget about whats going on in those failed wars. Iran's nuclear warhead, are a little bit like Iraq's WMD's.... any one remember them? ******* joke, it all is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 But we cannot change that, what we can change is new nations going for the bomb, otherwise following your logic in the first post, we should just let everybody get an A-bomb. err don't read too much into my random TF posts. The point I apparently didn't make with sufficient logicality is that none of the countries that have the bomb should have it. I don't assume that because a country already has it that we should just accept it. I dare anyone who thinks they live in a nuclear capable democracy to get their country to disarm. And don't tell me that if the US didn't have thousands of warheads that they'd instandly be nuked. That's the lie you're supposed to believe. Oh and what Beej said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeMarc Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Its just another thing to keep you all distracted and scared. With Iraq failed, and Afghanistan failing, we need something more to keep us on the edge and help us forget about whats going on in those failed wars. Iran's nuclear warhead, are a little bit like Iraq's WMD's.... any one remember them? f*cking joke, it all is. It's all getting more 'Orwellian' every day in this world... WAR IS PEACE FREEDOM IS SLAVERY IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LasseDK Posted February 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Neo, i dont disagree with you. Its just another thing to keep you all distracted and scared. With Iraq failed, and Afghanistan failing, we need something more to keep us on the edge and help us forget about whats going on in those failed wars. Iran's nuclear warhead, are a little bit like Iraq's WMD's.... any one remember them? f*cking joke, it all is. You might be right but i dont think you are when it comes to Iran, i think they are heading for the bomb. Problem with Iraq, and more speicifc the things Bush and his administration did, is that it has messed the world up, they started a conflict that makes it looks like a war on religion more than a war on terror, and Iraq nailed it to the floor. They messed things up that will take ages to fix, so its absolutely not that im blind to propaganda and scaretactics from the west, ive been aware since it started as we went faily quick from having the communist as a big evil scare, to suddenly have muslim fanatics as the new big evil scare. Sadly one of the sideeffects of this adminstration is that they have created a worldcommunity that probably wont be able to act when its actually needed because we would be too afraid to make the same mistakes again and we would more or less need to see the bomb finished before we would be able to point fingers at them because nobody would trust "intelligence" for a long long time due to the Iraq scandal. But i do think that Iran is enjoying the void of action, which will enable them to create an A bomb and create yet another nation with a sick weapon that puts them in another leage. But hey, maybe its a good thing that everybody gets a bomb, then we at least would have more respect before we went into other countries, just scary with mentally unstable people and religious fantatics getting hands on that crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANNO Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 which nuclear empowered nation *is* very rational and has not attacked another nation? Well Frankly and fortunately , to date , with exception of my country in '45 they all have been rational-- even trigger-happy Israel "not attacked another nation?" since WWII US attacked... Iraq (x2), Afganistan, Haiti, Panama, Cambodia, Dominican Republic, Vietnam ... and I probably missed a few Israel attacked Lebanon, Egypt, Syria and Palestine China attacked Tibet .... would you trust these people with nuclear weapons? would you trust them if they'd already invaded your country? NEO:::::: THEY have not attacked another nation with the BOMB Which seemed to be what the thread was taking about... Right :roll: and yeah we were the only fools to use it (USA) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeahrightdennis Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 which nuclear empowered nation *is* very rational and has not attacked another nation? Well Frankly and fortunately , to date , with exception of my country in '45 they all have been rational-- even trigger-happy Israel "not attacked another nation?" since WWII US attacked... Iraq (x2), Afganistan, Haiti, Panama, Cambodia, Dominican Republic, Vietnam ... and I probably missed a few Israel attacked Lebanon, Egypt, Syria and Palestine China attacked Tibet .... would you trust these people with nuclear weapons? would you trust them if they'd already invaded your country? NEO:::::: THEY have not attacked another nation with the BOMB Which seemed to be what the thread was taking about... Right :roll: and yeah we were the only fools to use it (USA) I would say country, rather the leaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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