Israel does it again...

[Rob]

A partial list of banned items allowed into Gaza...

Prohibited Items*

sage

cardamom

cumin

coriander

ginger

jam

halva

vinegar

nutmeg

chocolate

fruit

preserves

seeds and nuts

biscuits and sweets

potato chips

gas for soft drinks

dried fruit

fresh meat

plaster tar wood for construction

cement

iron

glucose

industrial salt

plastic/glass/metal

containers industrial

margarine

tarpaulin sheets for huts

fabric (for clothing)

flavor and smell enhancers

fishing rods

various fishing nets

buoys

ropes for fishing

nylon nets for greenhouses hatcheries and spare parts for hatcheries spare parts for tractors

dairies for cowsheds

irrigation pipe systems

ropes to tie greenhouses

planters for saplings

heaters for chicken farms

musical instruments

size A4 paper writing

notebooks

newspapers

toys

razors

sewing machines and spare parts

heaters

horses

donkeys

goats

chickens

cattle

Oh, yeah . . . they can't list the pigs and booze. That would spoil their pious image . . .

[DJTX]

More video of soldiers boarding the shp and being attacked...

[Stramash]

another ship boarded; thankfully no violence from either side this time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/10245176.stm

Wheelchairs huh? Those pesky Hamas buggers could convert them to armoured personnel carriers.

:wink:

[English_Bob]

More video of soldiers boarding the shp and being attacked...

Oww. I have to say, if I was being beaten like that and I had a gun, I'd have shot a few people too.

[beej]

More video of soldiers boarding the shp and being attacked...

Oww. I have to say, if I was being beaten like that and I had a gun, I'd have shot a few people too.

But would have you zip wired onto a boat with 600 people on it in the middle of international waters for very little good reason in the middle of the night?

[English_Bob]

More video of soldiers boarding the shp and being attacked...

Oww. I have to say, if I was being beaten like that and I had a gun, I'd have shot a few people too.

But would have you zip wired onto a boat with 600 people on it in the middle of international waters for very little good reason in the middle of the night?

Sure, I'd have done it for the adrenaline rush... it would have been exciting.

BUT... I guess it depends on your idea of a 'good reason'. The Israelis believe they have good reason. And the soldier doesn't need a reason, he just needs an order.

I don't understand why the people attacked the soldiers like that. They must have known they couldn't repel them. So why not allow them to search the vessel?

[Stramash]

More video of soldiers boarding the shp and being attacked...

Oww. I have to say, if I was being beaten like that and I had a gun, I'd have shot a few people too.

But would have you zip wired onto a boat with 600 people on it in the middle of international waters for very little good reason in the middle of the night?

Sure, I'd have done it for the adrenaline rush... it would have been exciting.

BUT... I guess it depends on your idea of a 'good reason'. The Israelis believe they have good reason. And the soldier doesn't need a reason, he just needs an order.

I don't understand why the people attacked the soldiers like that. They must have known they couldn't repel them. So why not allow them to search the vessel?

Simple.

They knew they would not be allowed to land and they hoped to provoke a reaction that would highlight the plight of Gaza. They probably expected a few cracked skulls and ribs, but they forgot that even throwing a paper plane at an Israeli soldier is likely to incur a bullet.

At the end of the day, the blockade is wrong.But I agree that shipments SHOULD be inspected. Don't want any pesky machine parts being delivered that may be converted to military equipment. But it was bloody stupid to confront trained commandos with knives and metal bars.

[eagle]

More video of soldiers boarding the shp and being attacked...

Oww. I have to say, if I was being beaten like that and I had a gun, I'd have shot a few people too.

But would have you zip wired onto a boat with 600 people on it in the middle of international waters for very little good reason in the middle of the night?

Sure, I'd have done it for the adrenaline rush... it would have been exciting.

BUT... I guess it depends on your idea of a 'good reason'. The Israelis believe they have good reason. And the soldier doesn't need a reason, he just needs an order.

I don't understand why the people attacked the soldiers like that. They must have known they couldn't repel them. So why not allow them to search the vessel?

They were yelling kill the Jews battle cries as they beat them , real peaceful. I think Hamas just wants to do anything to get the world to stand against Israel and the people of Gaza are their reluctant martyrs.

[DJTX]

I don't understand why the people attacked the soldiers like that. They must have known they couldn't repel them. So why not allow them to search the vessel?

Part of an airticle (don't know how credible)

http://globalpolitician.com/26447-israel-gaza-flotilla

Gaza Flotilla's Leader Explains: It was a Jihadist Attack not a Humanitarian Operation

Prof. Barry Rubin - 6/4/2010

Bülent Yildirim, the main organizer of the Gaza Flotilla, explained at a Hamas rally in Gaza that the operation was no humanitarian effort but part of a global Jihad to overthrow governments and install Islamist dictatorships. He made no secret of that fact, as shown in the MEMRI translation and video.

Keep in mind as you read this that his group originated the project and was the main funder, that his followers controlled the biggest ship, and that they were most of those who attacked the Israeli soldiers. Thus, more than any other individual, Yildirim represents the thinking behind the operation, its direction, and the organization of a militarized group that started the violence in order to achieve the intended result. Notice, too, that he--and thus the organizers of the operation and those who created the violence--are totally indifferent to the loss of life they cause.

"My brothers," he begins, "I have brought you the blessings of Saladin and Sultan Abd Al-Hamid. There are 70 million Sultan Abd Al-Hamids in Turkey, and they all support you. We congratulate you on your victory."...

[eagle]

I don't understand why the people attacked the soldiers like that. They must have known they couldn't repel them. So why not allow them to search the vessel?

Part of an airticle (don't know how credible)

http://globalpolitician.com/26447-israel-gaza-flotilla

Gaza Flotilla's Leader Explains: It was a Jihadist Attack not a Humanitarian Operation

Prof. Barry Rubin - 6/4/2010

Bülent Yildirim, the main organizer of the Gaza Flotilla, explained at a Hamas rally in Gaza that the operation was no humanitarian effort but part of a global Jihad to overthrow governments and install Islamist dictatorships. He made no secret of that fact, as shown in the MEMRI translation and video.

Keep in mind as you read this that his group originated the project and was the main funder, that his followers controlled the biggest ship, and that they were most of those who attacked the Israeli soldiers. Thus, more than any other individual, Yildirim represents the thinking behind the operation, its direction, and the organization of a militarized group that started the violence in order to achieve the intended result. Notice, too, that he--and thus the organizers of the operation and those who created the violence--are totally indifferent to the loss of life they cause.

"My brothers," he begins, "I have brought you the blessings of Saladin and Sultan Abd Al-Hamid. There are 70 million Sultan Abd Al-Hamids in Turkey, and they all support you. We congratulate you on your victory."...

Yea and they could give a sh*t about Gaza and its people just their stupid goals. Such assh*les :twisted:

[beej]

**** I love Fox News.... do people REALLY watch this ****?

http://politicalcorrection.org/fpmatters/201006040001

[eagle]

f*ck I love Fox News.... do people REALLY watch this sh*t?

http://politicalcorrection.org/fpmatters/201006040001

Millions watch Beck and thats scary. Fox supposedly has high ratings and a friend of mine who fixes appliances says everywhere he goes people have it on the TV. JOn Stewart hacks on Fox constantly !

[English_Bob]

I'm kind of busy these days (Yes - Charley brown's is kicking ass again!)... so I haven't been able to keep up to date with this story.

At first, I thought Israel was completely wrong and over-reacted. But I can definitely see how it happened. There are some reports showing that the blockade is legal and that Israel have a right to search vessels.

The video clearly shows a violent attack (makes me wonder why the Thai govt don't produce similar stuff)... and makes people much less sympathetic. Of course, Anti Muslim sentiments run much deeper than Anti-Semitic sentiments, so it's not a difficult story to sell.

[digitalcat]

I'm kind of busy these days (Yes - Charley brown's is kicking a*s again!)... so I haven't been able to keep up to date with this story.

At first, I thought Israel was completely wrong and over-reacted. But I can definitely see how it happened. There are some reports showing that the blockade is legal and that Israel have a right to search vessels.

The video clearly shows a violent attack (makes me wonder why the Thai govt don't produce similar stuff)... and makes people much less sympathetic. Of course, Anti Muslim sentiments run much deeper than Anti-Semitic sentiments, so it's not a difficult story to sell.

Israel made a bad move. They made themselves look like murders and ruined their relationship with Turkey. They could have enforced the blockade without the violence. Even if they can politically justify what they did it doesn't matter to those who feel emotional about it. So here we are.

[beej]

I'm kind of busy these days (Yes - Charley brown's is kicking a*s again!)... so I haven't been able to keep up to date with this story.

At first, I thought Israel was completely wrong and over-reacted. But I can definitely see how it happened. There are some reports showing that the blockade is legal and that Israel have a right to search vessels.

The video clearly shows a violent attack (makes me wonder why the Thai govt don't produce similar stuff)... and makes people much less sympathetic. Of course, Anti Muslim sentiments run much deeper than Anti-Semitic sentiments, so it's not a difficult story to sell.

Read the above link on the legality of the blockade.

[CiaranM]

I'm kind of busy these days (Yes - Charley brown's is kicking a*s again!)... so I haven't been able to keep up to date with this story.

At first, I thought Israel was completely wrong and over-reacted. But I can definitely see how it happened. There are some reports showing that the blockade is legal and that Israel have a right to search vessels.

The video clearly shows a violent attack (makes me wonder why the Thai govt don't produce similar stuff)... and makes people much less sympathetic. Of course, Anti Muslim sentiments run much deeper than Anti-Semitic sentiments, so it's not a difficult story to sell.

FFS ... show some evidence that the f**king blockade is legal !!! get a f**king grip !! the only violent attack was f**king murdering scumbag terrorists attacking a boat in international waters !! but then again ... jews fighting back against the nazis in the warsaw ghetto were probably asking for it also !!!

next thing u'll be telling us that somali pirates r just misunderstood !!!

[Stramash]

I'm kind of busy these days (Yes - Charley brown's is kicking a*s again!)... so I haven't been able to keep up to date with this story.

At first, I thought Israel was completely wrong and over-reacted. But I can definitely see how it happened. There are some reports showing that the blockade is legal and that Israel have a right to search vessels.

The video clearly shows a violent attack (makes me wonder why the Thai govt don't produce similar stuff)... and makes people much less sympathetic. Of course, Anti Muslim sentiments run much deeper than Anti-Semitic sentiments, so it's not a difficult story to sell.

From the point of view of most of the world and by the terms of the Geneva convention, the blockade is illegal.

From the point of view of Israel, it is not illegal.

What cannot be disputed was that this was an attack on civilian vessels in INTERNATIONAL WATERS. Not Israeli waters, nor Gaza waters.

That, without a shadow of a doubt, is illegal, and could be viewed as either piracy or an act of war. The Israelis, even from their own skewed perspective, had no right to attempt a boarding of those ships and, even though it was bloody stupid in the face of armed commandos, the activists on those ships had every right to try and repel boarders.

[digitalcat]

I'm kind of busy these days (Yes - Charley brown's is kicking a*s again!)... so I haven't been able to keep up to date with this story.

At first, I thought Israel was completely wrong and over-reacted. But I can definitely see how it happened. There are some reports showing that the blockade is legal and that Israel have a right to search vessels.

The video clearly shows a violent attack (makes me wonder why the Thai govt don't produce similar stuff)... and makes people much less sympathetic. Of course, Anti Muslim sentiments run much deeper than Anti-Semitic sentiments, so it's not a difficult story to sell.

From the point of view of most of the world and by the terms of the Geneva convention, the blockade is illegal.

From the point of view of Israel, it is not illegal.

What cannot be disputed was that this was an attack on civilian vessels in INTERNATIONAL WATERS. Not Israeli waters, nor Gaza waters.

That, without a shadow of a doubt, is illegal, and could be viewed as either piracy or an act of war. The Israelis, even from their own skewed perspective, had no right to attempt a boarding of those ships and, even though it was bloody stupid in the face of armed commandos, the activists on those ships had every right to try and repel boarders.

watch the fox 5 news report, i don't know if he is correct... but he mentions an international law that justifies the blockade.

[kaunitz]

I'm kind of busy these days (Yes - Charley brown's is kicking a*s again!)... so I haven't been able to keep up to date with this story.

At first, I thought Israel was completely wrong and over-reacted. But I can definitely see how it happened. There are some reports showing that the blockade is legal and that Israel have a right to search vessels.

The video clearly shows a violent attack (makes me wonder why the Thai govt don't produce similar stuff)... and makes people much less sympathetic. Of course, Anti Muslim sentiments run much deeper than Anti-Semitic sentiments, so it's not a difficult story to sell.

The whole thing would have looked completely different had Israel stopped the ship in her waters. As it happened in international waters, it IS an act of piracy and the bringing of those people to Israel is kidnapping.

Defending yourself when being hijacked is legitimate. Attacking law enforcement bodies in national waters is not. So even if the "activists" had acted exactly as they did in the actual case, being in national waters would have given the Israelis lots of justifications, whether the blockade of Gaza is legal or not.

So I think it was a very, very bad planning (or just blunt arrogance) by those ordering the action to happen where it happened.

[Wicked]

Israel has always passed all supplies. They decide through which port the goods may enter, and then even escorted the convoys into Gaza. If it happens at all that the goods do not reach the right people, it is because Hamas took the supplies and then sell to the Palestinians for big money. With the money they made from the goods they buy weapons. It's been years like this.

[Stramash]

Israel has always passed all supplies.

Utter bollocks. The Israelis refuse to list all confiscated goods, so no comparison can be made.

While there is definitely corruption within Gaza and especially those monkeyfuckers Hamas, a lot of that is dictated by the small amounts getting through.

" However, the amount of food entering Gaza is 25% of the June 2007 figures. A UN study has found that Gazan families are eating fewer meals a day and mainly relying on carbohydrates such as rice and flour because protein foods are expensive or unavailable."

The Olmert cabinet had decided in March that that food and medical supplies to Gaza would be allowed through "unfettered". But this has not been implemented by Israel's Defense Ministry, which controls the border crossings.

And you also have to look at what the blockade has done to the fishing industry of Gaza. The IDF only allow Palestinian fishermen 3 nautical miles offshore, an area where stocks are depleted and against UN recommendations and the original agreements. Fishermen have been harassed, killed, abducted and tortured.

"the Gaza fishing industry was worth $10 million annually or 4% of the total Palestinian economy; this was halved between 2001 and 2006. 45,000 Palestinians were employed in the fishing industry, employed in jobs such as catching fish, repairing nets and selling fish. Fish also provided much-needed animal protein to Gazans diet"

[English_Bob]

FFS ... show some evidence that the f**king blockade is legal !!! get a f**king grip !! the only violent attack was f**king murdering scumbag terrorists attacking a boat in international waters !! but then again ... jews fighting back against the nazis in the warsaw ghetto were probably asking for it also !!!

next thing u'll be telling us that somali pirates r just misunderstood !!!

Calm down... I read the link posted which definitely makes the legality or illegality less than black and white. You know Israel are going to find lawyers to make a technical case for the blockades.

There was definitely violence from the people on the boat. The video evidence clearly shows people being badly beaten by multiple assailants and one guy being thrown from the boat.

I think there was definitely an element of provocation from the flotilla. Without being on the scene, it's impossible for me to say whether the soldiers' reaction was disproportionate.

[Stramash]

I'm kind of busy these days (Yes - Charley brown's is kicking a*s again!)... so I haven't been able to keep up to date with this story.

At first, I thought Israel was completely wrong and over-reacted. But I can definitely see how it happened. There are some reports showing that the blockade is legal and that Israel have a right to search vessels.

The video clearly shows a violent attack (makes me wonder why the Thai govt don't produce similar stuff)... and makes people much less sympathetic. Of course, Anti Muslim sentiments run much deeper than Anti-Semitic sentiments, so it's not a difficult story to sell.

From the point of view of most of the world and by the terms of the Geneva convention, the blockade is illegal.

From the point of view of Israel, it is not illegal.

What cannot be disputed was that this was an attack on civilian vessels in INTERNATIONAL WATERS. Not Israeli waters, nor Gaza waters.

That, without a shadow of a doubt, is illegal, and could be viewed as either piracy or an act of war. The Israelis, even from their own skewed perspective, had no right to attempt a boarding of those ships and, even though it was bloody stupid in the face of armed commandos, the activists on those ships had every right to try and repel boarders.

watch the fox 5 news report, i don't know if he is correct... but he mentions an international law that justifies the blockade.

Fox news??

Ok, must be true then.

:roll:

[Stramash]

I'm kind of busy these days (Yes - Charley brown's is kicking a*s again!)... so I haven't been able to keep up to date with this story.

At first, I thought Israel was completely wrong and over-reacted. But I can definitely see how it happened. There are some reports showing that the blockade is legal and that Israel have a right to search vessels.

The video clearly shows a violent attack (makes me wonder why the Thai govt don't produce similar stuff)... and makes people much less sympathetic. Of course, Anti Muslim sentiments run much deeper than Anti-Semitic sentiments, so it's not a difficult story to sell.

From the point of view of most of the world and by the terms of the Geneva convention, the blockade is illegal.

From the point of view of Israel, it is not illegal.

What cannot be disputed was that this was an attack on civilian vessels in INTERNATIONAL WATERS. Not Israeli waters, nor Gaza waters.

That, without a shadow of a doubt, is illegal, and could be viewed as either piracy or an act of war. The Israelis, even from their own skewed perspective, had no right to attempt a boarding of those ships and, even though it was bloody stupid in the face of armed commandos, the activists on those ships had every right to try and repel boarders.

watch the fox 5 news report, i don't know if he is correct... but he mentions an international law that justifies the blockade.

Full, and quite legalese ridden, discussion on the legality here;

http://opiniojuris.org/2010/06/02/why-is-israels-blockade-of-gaza-legal/

[CiaranM]

Israel has always passed all supplies. They decide through which port the goods may enter, and then even escorted the convoys into Gaza. If it happens at all that the goods do not reach the right people, it is because Hamas took the supplies and then sell to the Palestinians for big money. With the money they made from the goods they buy weapons. It's been years like this.

FFS .... quite possibly the stupidest thing i've seen written on TF for years !!! :roll: :roll: