Legacy of George Walker Bush

[eagle]

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And if one isn't holding those who bash Christians and Christianity to the same level of scrutiny and condescension, it's simply another form of bigotry that you are practicing.

bullshit. every single person i've seen bash christians and christianity on here was raised christian. that matters.

Thank you Zeus, I knew something was wrong in that statement but couldn't see what. I'm not nearly informed enough about the muslim religion to judge it as a religion. I can say those who are being violent in the name of any religion are misguided, including christians bombing abortion clinics.

i have yet to see anything done in the name of *any* religion that isn't bullshit, but i'm not 100 percent ruling out the possiblity. only somehwere in the high 98th percentile of certainty.

Name one atrocity, persecution, crusade, martyrdom or suicide bombing carried out by a single Jedi??

darth vader? DUH.

in the modern era, not in a 'possible' future...doh!!!

we will see what Yoda has to say about this :twisted:

[Guest FLGlenn]

His legacy will be better than that of Nixon for sure! lol

[eagle]

His legacy will be better than that of Nixon for sure! lol

Not in my mind. Just another crooked politician and one who did far more damage to the US and to the english language. :twisted:

[DJTX]

and one who did far more damage to the US and to the english language. :twisted:

Now I know everyone can agree with the part about the english language :roll:

[CiaranM]

It makes me sick to sit back and read some of the responses about our current u.s. president. Freedom right!!!!

Most memorable. HIs initiative to protect the U.S.'s people, and our interest abroad especially in the MIddle east where other superpowers wouldn't even dare. ( War on terrorism) let's call it. BUt it was what he was fighting for and against that makes this war on terrorism just a brief discription of what evils and hatred lay across the sea.

Greatest contribution: He stood up for what he believed. As a republican he exzemplified Values, regardless of what people say he stood strong. Traditional American Values.

WOrst mistake: Lack of propper planning, people, and resources...

worst mistake was u lot voting for him .... TWICE for f**ks sake !!!

ok ok .... i know he didn't really win the first time, but it's kind of a moot point now !!!

[eagle]

It makes me sick to sit back and read some of the responses about our current u.s. president. Freedom right!!!!

Most memorable. HIs initiative to protect the U.S.'s people, and our interest abroad especially in the MIddle east where other superpowers wouldn't even dare. ( War on terrorism) let's call it. BUt it was what he was fighting for and against that makes this war on terrorism just a brief discription of what evils and hatred lay across the sea.

Greatest contribution: He stood up for what he believed. As a republican he exzemplified Values, regardless of what people say he stood strong. Traditional American Values.

WOrst mistake: Lack of propper planning, people, and resources...

If he cared about America he would have not run at all for president. He failed at all his business ventures, miserably i may add. Having a wealthy family in politics isn't enough just so rebublicans can stick a face on their party. He wasn't qualified much more then Palin in my eyes. They carried god as a banner in the crusades also and did what they believed and that didn't make them right just vicious.

:roll:

Tradition should never be used as an excuse for failure. And he did fail as he took the US into Irag wasting almost 600 billion dollars and making his contractor buddies rich while the US economy falls into ruins. And the economy was under his watch. He had 2 terms which in my opinion he stole both times and all he did was be complacent with the falling apart of americans trusting in Banks or the American way. And the American way for alot of people isn't Bombing the **** out of the wrong country to revenge a hostile act. If you feel sick reading this take some pepto :twisted:

[zeusbheld]

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And if one isn't holding those who bash Christians and Christianity to the same level of scrutiny and condescension, it's simply another form of bigotry that you are practicing.

bullshit. every single person i've seen bash christians and christianity on here was raised christian. that matters.

Thank you Zeus, I knew something was wrong in that statement but couldn't see what. I'm not nearly informed enough about the muslim religion to judge it as a religion. I can say those who are being violent in the name of any religion are misguided, including christians bombing abortion clinics.

i have yet to see anything done in the name of *any* religion that isn't bullshit, but i'm not 100 percent ruling out the possiblity. only somehwere in the high 98th percentile of certainty.

Name one atrocity, persecution, crusade, martyrdom or suicide bombing carried out by a single Jedi??

darth vader? DUH.

in the modern era, not in a 'possible' future...doh!!!

you show me a Jedi and i'll tell you if he/she/it has committed any atrocities

PS: "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away..."

[beej]

PS: "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away..."

Oh-Nut, last week?

[zeusbheld]

PS: "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away..."

Oh-Nut, last week?

is that a 'possible future'?

[beej]

You speak of ''The Left'' as if it was some evil terror organization to bring down the world.

[eagle]

People in the US have been so successfully disconnected from the reality of the Irag war.

That's such BS. People in the US know damn well what's happened there. They just all don't react the way you would like them to.

If they have some source of information other than what's shown on TV in the US then perhaps, although I doubt they do. During the early stages of the Iraq war I was traveling between LA and many countries around the world and noticed significant differences in the "information" available in different countries. Needless to say the US TV networks didn't seem to present a very balanced picture of the events.

they make it sound like a good war . go team go !! :roll:

I guess you must watch different television than I do when I'm in the US then. I agree nobody outside of Iraq really knows, including 99.9 percent of the people on this web site who claim to, but bottom line the vast majority of people in the US are against the war. Their reasoning may be defective, but they are still against it.

Now things are different but what about when they invaded an innocent country ( well innocent of attacking the twin towers) There was plenty of support then. IN the US if you didn't support the war you were made to feel unpatriotic. It was a snow job from day one and we're still getting snowed. I'm hearing we are pulling out except for 50,000 troops by 2012. doesn't sound like a pull out to me. Now that we turned the place into a war zone they need us we are told. All the while what's really going on IMO is keeping an eye on the oil which is denied constantly. :roll:

I've always received the opposite from the US Media and the left. It has not seemed "Go Team Go" to me. The message I have received has been a fervent desire for failure.

Did anyone really think that we would pull out completely after going in. Now that would be naivete defined.

Should have never gone in in the first place. Lieing about WMDs was so lame. THey got what they wanted, bases and control of the region. It was planned before Bush got into office he was just the stooge that represented the farce and 911 was the excuse they needed. Its been a failure from the beginning doing more harm then good. All the fighting has been caused by the fighting. Why don't they jump into Israel and help that fight too :roll:

[Dr_Mike]

The real story:

Watch the movie: "An American Carol".

Let the truth be told.

:-)

[eagle]

The real story:

Watch the movie: "An American Carol".

Let the truth be told.

:-)

More truth in hollywood movies then in the News media these days. Can Obama change things or become inert? stay tuned :roll:

[zeusbheld]

He failed at all his business ventures, miserably i may add.

As did "Colonel" Sanders until he started KFC.

As did Ulysses S. Grant until the War Between the States.

As did Abraham Lincoln until he became President.

One can never tell...

i think at this point.... we can tell. Dubya's a failure.

[Stramash]

He failed at all his business ventures, miserably i may add.

As did "Colonel" Sanders until he started KFC.

As did Ulysses S. Grant until the War Between the States.

As did Abraham Lincoln until he became President.

One can never tell...

i think at this point.... we can tell. Dubya's a failure.

certainly at business he was, and we wont go down the worn but true path of the huge links between the Bushes and the Saudis...

But I find the Machiavellian links quite revealing and scary, as both of the Bushes' principal advisors (yeah I know Ree quit last year) have The Prince as one of their principal inspirations.

Machiavelli advises The Prince to 'lie but must 'be able to disguise this character well, and to be a great feigner and dissembler.' Moreover, 'to see and hear him, he [the Prince] should seem to be all mercy, faith, integrity, humanity and religion' and also recommends the merits of fraud, hypocrisy, faithlessness, and related practices.

So, certainly taking a guide to succesful rule, albeit a 16th century guide, Dubya appears to have ticked all the boxes...

[Stramash]

You speak of ''The Left'' as if it was some evil terror organization to bring down the world.

Well, isn't it.

not all of it, just the ones with dodgy haircuts or anyone called Colin...

[vbroker]

He failed at all his business ventures, miserably i may add.

As did "Colonel" Sanders until he started KFC.

As did Ulysses S. Grant until the War Between the States.

As did Abraham Lincoln until he became President.

One can never tell...

i think at this point.... we can tell. Dubya's a failure.

Well, he was elected twice. Imbecile he may be. Failure. Remains to be seen.

I don't agree anyone rising to the presidency (much less elected twice) is an imbecile. Bush may not be the flowery orator Clinton and Obama are; regardless, it hardly makes someone stupid. But yes, too soon to tell. BTW, you forgot Thomas Edison's (near zero formal education) several thousand tries to invent the light bulb and Alexander Graham Bell's one failure after the next in his attempts to invent the telephone.

This won't be known for decades. As I've said before, the Bush II legacy will be defined by the future of Iraq.

That future is nothing if not uncertain.

Lefties and Bush haters can't see anything but their hatred. Dare I say BIGOTRY. lol

Spot on. This is why their core "beliefs" (AKA blind hatred, bigotry and racism) fail over time when exposed for the nonsense it is. Provided, of course, the people have a chance to change out their "leaders" on a periodic basis.

If Iraq becomes a viable nation and leaves behind it's despotic past and defeats the terrorism that was 70% introduced post-invasion, Bush is a genius. If not, Bush is a turd in history.

That's likely the majority of it, but he'll get credit for foiling every U.S. soil based terrorist attempt since 9.11.01 that's now part of classified/top secret intelligence. That intelligence will be made known in two or three decades as we emerge victorious over the terror war like old cold war intelligence is coming out now.

Here's some irony for ya. The Bush legacy will be largely dependent upon a guy named

B A R A C K....O B A M A

Agree again but I'd say partly instead of largely. God help us either way.

[eagle]

Java and Broker

Lefties and Bush haters can't see anything but their hatred. Dare I say BIGOTRY. lol

Spot on. This is why their core "beliefs" (AKA blind hatred, bigotry and racism) fail over time when exposed for the nonsense it is. Provided, of course, the people have a chance to change out their "leaders" on a periodic basis.

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If Iraq becomes a viable nation and leaves behind it's despotic past and defeats the terrorism that was 70% introduced post-invasion, Bush is a genius. If not, Bush is a turd in history.

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If its bigotry then left and right are guilty. I won't debate degree. And about Irag being a viable nation.... it was. You can say or believe what you want about Saddam but Irag was a thriving secular society with from what I hear some of the best medical facilities of the area before the US Bombed and invaded. You can't justify the whole thing because Saddam was a brutal leader. With the logic your using we should already have invaded Iran who is presenting a worse face then Saddam. And how about a half dozen african nations with sadistic regimes killing people by the millions. Bush is the face on the policies but it was and is about oil not terrorism or that fabled democracy and you can deny that all you want. Its become common knowledge :roll:

[vbroker]

If its bigotry then left and right are guilty. I won't debate degree. And about Irag being a viable nation it was. You can say or believe what you want about Saddam but Irag was a thriving secular society with from what I hear some of the best medical facilities of the area before the US Bombed and invaded. You can't justify the whole thing because Saddam was a brutal leader. With the logic your using we should already have invaded Iran who is presenting a worse face then Saddam. And how about a half dozen african nations with sadistic regimes killing people by the millions. Bush is the face on the policies but it was and is about oil not terrorism or that fabled democracy and you can deny that all you want. Its become common knowledge :roll:

Eagle, baby. Can we start with you calling Iraq IRAQ and not IRAG?? Don't you see the dotted red lines under the word as you're typing them? Or am I missing some sort of diatribe you're using/have against the country? I'm not going to again get into your beliefs regarding same as I've already done that many times in these here forums. No point in repeating myself to someone who'll never "get it." You're entitled to your opinion; however erroneous it may be. And lastly, learn to use the "quote" link, upper right hand side of the quote box. Nearly 5500 posts to date; I'd like to think you'd be able to handle that by now. Cheers.

Merry Christmas.

[eagle]

If its bigotry then left and right are guilty. I won't debate degree. And about Irag being a viable nation it was. You can say or believe what you want about Saddam but Irag was a thriving secular society with from what I hear some of the best medical facilities of the area before the US Bombed and invaded. You can't justify the whole thing because Saddam was a brutal leader. With the logic your using we should already have invaded Iran who is presenting a worse face then Saddam. And how about a half dozen african nations with sadistic regimes killing people by the millions. Bush is the face on the policies but it was and is about oil not terrorism or that fabled democracy and you can deny that all you want. Its become common knowledge :roll:

Eagle, baby. Can we start with you calling Iraq IRAQ and not IRAG?? Don't you see the dotted red lines under the word as you're typing them? Or am I missing some sort of diatribe you're using/have against the country? I'm not going to again get into your beliefs regarding same as I've already done that many times in these here forums. No point in repeating myself to someone who'll never "get it." You're entitled to your opinion; however erroneous it may be. And lastly, learn to use the "quote" link, upper right hand side of the quote box. Nearly 5500 posts to date; I'd like to think you'd be able to handle that by now. Cheers.

Merry Christmas.

ohh I get it and so does the world as the US and its economy problems have become a worldwide problem. I see They are having Christmas in Iraq with Santa and all. Now maybe Santa can tell us what the US is really doing there. :roll:

[Guest PMike]

If its bigotry then left and right are guilty. I won't debate degree. And about Irag being a viable nation it was. You can say or believe what you want about Saddam but Irag was a thriving secular society with from what I hear some of the best medical facilities of the area before the US Bombed and invaded. You can't justify the whole thing because Saddam was a brutal leader. With the logic your using we should already have invaded Iran who is presenting a worse face then Saddam. And how about a half dozen african nations with sadistic regimes killing people by the millions. Bush is the face on the policies but it was and is about oil not terrorism or that fabled democracy and you can deny that all you want. Its become common knowledge :roll:

Eagle, baby. Can we start with you calling Iraq IRAQ and not IRAG?? Don't you see the dotted red lines under the word as you're typing them? Or am I missing some sort of diatribe you're using/have against the country? I'm not going to again get into your beliefs regarding same as I've already done that many times in these here forums. No point in repeating myself to someone who'll never "get it." You're entitled to your opinion; however erroneous it may be. And lastly, learn to use the "quote" link, upper right hand side of the quote box. Nearly 5500 posts to date; I'd like to think you'd be able to handle that by now. Cheers.

Merry Christmas.

ohh I get it and so does the world as the US and its economy problems have become a worldwide problem. I see They are having Christmas in Iraq with Santa and all. Now maybe Santa can tell us what the US is really doing there. :roll:

Eagle, can you tell us?

[eagle]

If its bigotry then left and right are guilty. I won't debate degree. And about Irag being a viable nation it was. You can say or believe what you want about Saddam but Irag was a thriving secular society with from what I hear some of the best medical facilities of the area before the US Bombed and invaded. You can't justify the whole thing because Saddam was a brutal leader. With the logic your using we should already have invaded Iran who is presenting a worse face then Saddam. And how about a half dozen african nations with sadistic regimes killing people by the millions. Bush is the face on the policies but it was and is about oil not terrorism or that fabled democracy and you can deny that all you want. Its become common knowledge :roll:

Eagle, baby. Can we start with you calling Iraq IRAQ and not IRAG?? Don't you see the dotted red lines under the word as you're typing them? Or am I missing some sort of diatribe you're using/have against the country? I'm not going to again get into your beliefs regarding same as I've already done that many times in these here forums. No point in repeating myself to someone who'll never "get it." You're entitled to your opinion; however erroneous it may be. And lastly, learn to use the "quote" link, upper right hand side of the quote box. Nearly 5500 posts to date; I'd like to think you'd be able to handle that by now. Cheers.

Merry Christmas.

ohh I get it and so does the world as the US and its economy problems have become a worldwide problem. I see They are having Christmas in Iraq with Santa and all. Now maybe Santa can tell us what the US is really doing there. :roll:

Eagle, can you tell us?

I already said my opinion. Being Santa Claus for all the little children is definitely not it. Anyone hear how many children are mutated from the wonderful new radioactive weapons. :roll: sick f**kers

[Guest PMike]

If its bigotry then left and right are guilty. I won't debate degree. And about Irag being a viable nation it was. You can say or believe what you want about Saddam but Irag was a thriving secular society with from what I hear some of the best medical facilities of the area before the US Bombed and invaded. You can't justify the whole thing because Saddam was a brutal leader. With the logic your using we should already have invaded Iran who is presenting a worse face then Saddam. And how about a half dozen african nations with sadistic regimes killing people by the millions. Bush is the face on the policies but it was and is about oil not terrorism or that fabled democracy and you can deny that all you want. Its become common knowledge :roll:

Eagle, baby. Can we start with you calling Iraq IRAQ and not IRAG?? Don't you see the dotted red lines under the word as you're typing them? Or am I missing some sort of diatribe you're using/have against the country? I'm not going to again get into your beliefs regarding same as I've already done that many times in these here forums. No point in repeating myself to someone who'll never "get it." You're entitled to your opinion; however erroneous it may be. And lastly, learn to use the "quote" link, upper right hand side of the quote box. Nearly 5500 posts to date; I'd like to think you'd be able to handle that by now. Cheers.

Merry Christmas.

ohh I get it and so does the world as the US and its economy problems have become a worldwide problem. I see They are having Christmas in Iraq with Santa and all. Now maybe Santa can tell us what the US is really doing there. :roll:

Eagle, can you tell us?

I already said my opinion. Being Santa Claus for all the little children is definitely not it. Anyone hear how many children are mutated from the wonderful new radioactive weapons. :roll: sick f**kers

Hey I was just readin your earlier post about the African nations etc, so Bush is responsible for that too?

I mean the genocide and mammings going on there today and all the little camp raids and villages being burned, destroyed, it is Bush?

I was thinking it was the people actually doing it...not Bush..but I could be wrong...

[eagle]

If its bigotry then left and right are guilty. I won't debate degree. And about Irag being a viable nation it was. You can say or believe what you want about Saddam but Irag was a thriving secular society with from what I hear some of the best medical facilities of the area before the US Bombed and invaded. You can't justify the whole thing because Saddam was a brutal leader. With the logic your using we should already have invaded Iran who is presenting a worse face then Saddam. And how about a half dozen african nations with sadistic regimes killing people by the millions. Bush is the face on the policies but it was and is about oil not terrorism or that fabled democracy and you can deny that all you want. Its become common knowledge :roll:

Eagle, baby. Can we start with you calling Iraq IRAQ and not IRAG?? Don't you see the dotted red lines under the word as you're typing them? Or am I missing some sort of diatribe you're using/have against the country? I'm not going to again get into your beliefs regarding same as I've already done that many times in these here forums. No point in repeating myself to someone who'll never "get it." You're entitled to your opinion; however erroneous it may be. And lastly, learn to use the "quote" link, upper right hand side of the quote box. Nearly 5500 posts to date; I'd like to think you'd be able to handle that by now. Cheers.

Merry Christmas.

ohh I get it and so does the world as the US and its economy problems have become a worldwide problem. I see They are having Christmas in Iraq with Santa and all. Now maybe Santa can tell us what the US is really doing there. :roll:

Eagle, can you tell us?

I already said my opinion. Being Santa Claus for all the little children is definitely not it. Anyone hear how many children are mutated from the wonderful new radioactive weapons. :roll: sick f**kers

Hey I was just readin your earlier post about the African nations etc, so Bush is responsible for that too?

I mean the genocide and mammings going on there today and all the little camp raids and villages being burned, destroyed, it is Bush?

I was thinking it was the people actually doing it...not Bush..but I could be wrong...

ook numnut so what did Iraq do that warrants Bush coming to the rescue? Nothing compared to many other nations. YOU obviously can't make heads or tales out of anything that Fox isn't spoon feeding you. Jeeezus :roll:

[eagle]

Wind away I'm outta hear :roll: