Closing Suvanabhumi Airport b/c of PAD

[LakeGeneve]

But Mr Undercover you fail to realise that Khun Suriyasai is talking about PAD people (who are expendable) NOT foreigners as you misleading crapped on about! Please don't clutch at straws by pulling some quote out of context...

oh it's only expendable THAI people who are to be used as human shields! that makes it all alright then. :roll:

Mate, for someone who uses sarcasm I am quite surprised that you missed mine or intentionally ignored my earlier explanation to Undercover on the same. I'm surprised that someone as discerning as you would interpret this in this way. (Let alone the history of posts condemning all violence and stating that many are being used as manipulative pawns).

You seem to be losing your ability to keep some persepective like a few others here.

What hope the sorting this out by Friday? I'm supposed to fly in on Sunday!

Even if the PAD move out tomorrow Serirat confirmed that they will need a week to test all the equipments and system if ready to service. But anyway, good luck.

Jesus...an entire week? I definitely didn't expect it to take more than 2-3 days to test everything. Sucks even more for everyone stranded here or trying to get back in.

this is the single most massive security breach since airports were invented. i think we can wait a week for them to get it sorted. i don't think it's too much to ask.

You don't consider terrorists getting bombs onto planes (eg. Pan Am, Lockerbie) or taking weapons on planes to kill people and/or highjack (numerous intances in the 70s and 80s and perhaps umm say 9/11), to be more of a security breach? Very curious?

2-3 days would seem to be sufficient but then given the lack of toilets in the terminal perhaps they will need a good clean!

And it does seem very strange that the power was not cut. It would make it quite difficult to sustain the crowd and transmit without power at the terminal.

[Dr_Mike]

Some farang shuold dress up with fake blood all over and fake cuts, you know: Hollywood like, then go to the airports and walk around like they are zombies, then we could all have a laugh. They'd probably end up really famous on Thai TV, or maybe the world.

But then again, I was just told, they might just bag em and hide em, so the news of a hurt farang didn't get out.

:-(

[sunsnow]

Power cut off, why not? Pretty damn good question! As some official at airport said that they powered off all the systems anyhow but still, could it be a question of computer systems or something?

But again very good question. Worth to add to the pile of conspiracy theories or things that support that something even more odd than current situation is going on........Hey, beware, the elephant is on the loose again! Gosh darnit, who let it loose this time! ups, back to the topic. I just got this jungle yellow fever for a moment.

[LakeGeneve]

Power cut off, why not? Pretty damn good question! As some official at airport said that they powered off all the systems anyhow but still, could it be a question of computer systems or something?

But again very good question. Worth to add to the pile of conspiracy theories or things that support that something even more odd than current situation is going on........Hey, beware, the elephant is on the loose again! Gosh darnit, who let it loose this time! ups, back to the topic. I just got this jungle yellow fever for a moment.

One would think that the AOT would at least want to save some money (the Temrinal is touted as the largest building in the world in terms of floor space so it must use a lot of power) as well as make the Terminal area a bit more of a difficult place to be and would take the background lighting away for ASTV.

I guess that the power systems for the tower, runways and navigation systems could never be turned off as they not be on a seperate power grid?

[Dr_Mike]

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[zeusbheld]

blah

did you decide no one would get the joke, or did you realize that the apparent fact that no one looked at your journal had sweet f**k all to do with either science or tests? (yeah you have less than five seconds to change your mind when you hit the 'submit' button).

[babyoiy]

What hope the sorting this out by Friday? I'm supposed to fly in on Sunday!

Even if the PAD move out tomorrow Serirat confirmed that they will need a week to test all the equipments and system if ready to service. But anyway, good luck.

Jesus...an entire week? I definitely didn't expect it to take more than 2-3 days to test everything. Sucks even more for everyone stranded here or trying to get back in.

Actually he said he cant really tell how long it will take since he doesnt know how much things (system and ****) are damaged or if it still working well..

So if PADs moved out, AOT will have to check and test all systems and everything like when the airport were newly opened... airlines staff will also have to come to test things as well...

Serirat said all this on conf. call with Sorayuth/Rueang Lao Chao Nee (CH3) this morning.

[funky_house]

What hope the sorting this out by Friday? I'm supposed to fly in on Sunday!

Even if the PAD move out tomorrow Serirat confirmed that they will need a week to test all the equipments and system if ready to service. But anyway, good luck.

Jesus...an entire week? I definitely didn't expect it to take more than 2-3 days to test everything. Sucks even more for everyone stranded here or trying to get back in.

Actually he said he cant really tell how long it will take since he doesnt know how much things (system and sh*t) are damaged or if it still working well..

So if PADs moved out, AOT will have to check and test all systems and everything like when the airport were newly opened... airlines staff will also have to come to test things as well...

Serirat said all this on conf. call this morning.

I wonder if all the stock in the shops remains untouched. There were some nice watches and cameras in the duty free. :-)

[samy5000]

blah

did you decide no one would get the joke, or did you realize that the apparent fact that no one looked at your journal had sweet f**k all to do with either science or tests? (yeah you have less than five seconds to change your mind when you hit the 'submit' button).

im still wondering how the KOR ROR 6 look like ! ?

[eagle]

US news is saying Pad is moving out from all areas and slowly from Main airport. I hope it is true and happens peacefully.

[Zombiedriven]

Power cut off, why not? Pretty damn good question! As some official at airport said that they powered off all the systems anyhow but still, could it be a question of computer systems or something?

But again very good question. Worth to add to the pile of conspiracy theories or things that support that something even more odd than current situation is going on........Hey, beware, the elephant is on the loose again! Gosh darnit, who let it loose this time! ups, back to the topic. I just got this jungle yellow fever for a moment.

One would think that the AOT would at least want to save some money (the Temrinal is touted as the largest building in the world in terms of floor space so it must use a lot of power) as well as make the Terminal area a bit more of a difficult place to be and would take the background lighting away for ASTV.

I guess that the power systems for the tower, runways and navigation systems could never be turned off as they not be on a seperate power grid?

I would hope that the towers are on a different grid as crap is always bound to happen.

And also think of what they will have to deal with if they have no power for all those nice Air Conditioning systems they have ran through out the building if you can't drive them out why not boil them out. This is a glass and steel building. Tempature is bound to climb a extra 30-40 degree Farenhiet :twisted:

[babyoiy]

I dont think PAD really like King Power... therefore, I also doubt it! ahhh I dont even know who they like tho'?

Yeah, what the heck is kor ror 6... ((I gonna do some reseach now))

[frankenburner2]

But Mr Undercover you fail to realise that Khun Suriyasai is talking about PAD people (who are expendable) NOT foreigners as you misleading crapped on about! Please don't clutch at straws by pulling some quote out of context...

oh it's only expendable THAI people who are to be used as human shields! that makes it all alright then. :roll:

Mate, for someone who uses sarcasm I am quite surprised that you missed mine or intentionally ignored my earlier explanation to Undercover on the same. I'm surprised that someone as discerning as you would interpret this in this way. (Let alone the history of posts condemning all violence and stating that many are being used as manipulative pawns).

You seem to be losing your ability to keep some persepective like a few others here.

What hope the sorting this out by Friday? I'm supposed to fly in on Sunday!

Even if the PAD move out tomorrow Serirat confirmed that they will need a week to test all the equipments and system if ready to service. But anyway, good luck.

Jesus...an entire week? I definitely didn't expect it to take more than 2-3 days to test everything. Sucks even more for everyone stranded here or trying to get back in.

this is the single most massive security breach since airports were invented. i think we can wait a week for them to get it sorted. i don't think it's too much to ask.

You don't consider terrorists getting bombs onto planes (eg. Pan Am, Lockerbie) or taking weapons on planes to kill people and/or highjack (numerous intances in the 70s and 80s and perhaps umm say 9/11), to be more of a security breach? Very curious?

2-3 days would seem to be sufficient but then given the lack of toilets in the terminal perhaps they will need a good clean!

And it does seem very strange that the power was not cut. It would make it quite difficult to sustain the crowd and transmit without power at the terminal.

AGAIN....there's a huge difference between finding a way to sneak a few bombs, or knives, or whatever on to an airplane....and marching en masse through the front door armed with a pointed stick.

[samy5000]

blah

did you decide no one would get the joke, or did you realize that the apparent fact that no one looked at your journal had sweet f**k all to do with either science or tests? (yeah you have less than five seconds to change your mind when you hit the 'submit' button).

im still wondering how the KOR ROR 6 look like ! ?

I know what 'KOR ROR' is now! I did a google search! You, DOCTOR, are one sick puppy. I think in your country, you call them sick MFers!

http://tinyurl.com/6lohap

Sigh! :shock:

busted ! :shock:

[sunsnow]

crap...kor kor

[zeusbheld]

But Mr Undercover you fail to realise that Khun Suriyasai is talking about PAD people (who are expendable) NOT foreigners as you misleading crapped on about! Please don't clutch at straws by pulling some quote out of context...

oh it's only expendable THAI people who are to be used as human shields! that makes it all alright then. :roll:

Mate, for someone who uses sarcasm I am quite surprised that you missed mine or intentionally ignored my earlier explanation to Undercover on the same. I'm surprised that someone as discerning as you would interpret this in this way. (Let alone the history of posts condemning all violence and stating that many are being used as manipulative pawns).

fair enough.

although given your history i'm surprised that you've been rather gentle on the whole notion of seizing an airport; in my eyes this tremendously undermines your apparent non-violence. even if no one gets hurt, in my eyes (and the eyes of the law in every country on earth including thailand, apparently) seizing an airport is an act of violence and intimidation.

also to be honest i don't really look at the name on posts, just what they say.

You seem to be losing your ability to keep some persepective like a few others here.

to be honest you really ought to add yourself to the list.

this is the single most massive security breach since airports were invented. i think we can wait a week for them to get it sorted. i don't think it's too much to ask.

You don't consider terrorists getting bombs onto planes (eg. Pan Am, Lockerbie) or taking weapons on planes to kill people and/or highjack (numerous intances in the 70s and 80s and perhaps umm say 9/11), to be more of a security breach? Very curious?

absolutely not. if you actually read what i actually said you might understand why. it's simple arithmetic.

while you're busy declaiming my loss of discernment you might just take a minute or two to notice that you seem to be forgetting what words mean. the word was "breach;" a breach, in broad terms, is a HOLE.

it's not the measure of the size of the disaster but the size of the hole through which disaster *could* creep that i refer to. on 9/11 3 planes were compromised out of about 5 attempts. Bangkok, around 90 planes were left unsecured. 90. it's unlikely that it will lead to terrorist incidents as it happened quickly and there is little significant al qaeda presence in thailand (rumors dont' count as presence). no planes will blow up from this, i'd imagine. there are most likely going to be zero attempts. but it's still 90 planes.

thus if you're an airline exec, assuming you haven't already said "screw bangkok, we're taking our toys and going home" wouldn't you want to take that week or so and make sure every cubic inch of the airport was re-secured, and no 'easter eggs' had been left?

tell me, when has an entire airport-- (along with about 90 or so aircraft) been so bereft of security supervision yet expected to be back online so quickly?

i can't think of a single incident. not one, unless you count war zones. in war zones the airports tend not to be up to AHEM international standards all that quickly, do they?

point being (and this should have been flat out obvious, which very strongly suggests you might check yourself while you're suggesting i need to recalibrate perspective) not that planes will blow up. that's not what i said, that's not the context, and most likely, they won't. if you read that, you've lost perspective and/or have suddenly decided that the ol' straw man needs a beating.

the ACTUAL point is, airlines may well reconsider risking their assets and their passengers by flying into Suvarnabumi, and some most likely will leave, others will likely cut service back significantly. it will also very likely affect how flights out of bangkok are perceived from a security point of view.

how much larger is 90 than 3? because that's how many planes have been left unsupervised by ANy sort of security personnel. that's 30 times the security breach on 9/11. it's a dangerous precedent. not about what damage was or will be done, but about what damage COULD Be done. especially if this sort of stunt happens again, which it most likely will next time one of these clownshoes groups of T shirt and clappers types doesn't get their way.

really, what were you saying again, about *me* missing a point?

2-3 days would seem to be sufficient but then given the lack of toilets in the terminal perhaps they will need a good clean!

i've only been to the airport 20 odd times but i guarantee if you gave me 30 bombs and 2 days unsupervised, you would not find all the bombs i plant in the terminal. i'm not even any good at figuring out where to stash a bomb. aren't you glad i'm not a terrorist? i think if it takes a week everyone should shut the **** up and be glad that they're at least trying to do it right. f

And it does seem very strange that the power was not cut. It would make it quite difficult to sustain the crowd and transmit without power at the terminal.

the mere fact that nothing was done to disperse them within hours to me indicates friends in very high places, and may hint at what's really going on (i'm referring to the elephant in the room). the power not being cut almost implies an endorsement, doesn't it?

[Stramash]

But Mr Undercover you fail to realise that Khun Suriyasai is talking about PAD people (who are expendable) NOT foreigners as you misleading crapped on about! Please don't clutch at straws by pulling some quote out of context...

oh it's only expendable THAI people who are to be used as human shields! that makes it all alright then. :roll:

Mate, for someone who uses sarcasm I am quite surprised that you missed mine or intentionally ignored my earlier explanation to Undercover on the same. I'm surprised that someone as discerning as you would interpret this in this way. (Let alone the history of posts condemning all violence and stating that many are being used as manipulative pawns).

You seem to be losing your ability to keep some persepective like a few others here.

What hope the sorting this out by Friday? I'm supposed to fly in on Sunday!

Even if the PAD move out tomorrow Serirat confirmed that they will need a week to test all the equipments and system if ready to service. But anyway, good luck.

Jesus...an entire week? I definitely didn't expect it to take more than 2-3 days to test everything. Sucks even more for everyone stranded here or trying to get back in.

this is the single most massive security breach since airports were invented. i think we can wait a week for them to get it sorted. i don't think it's too much to ask.

You don't consider terrorists getting bombs onto planes (eg. Pan Am, Lockerbie) or taking weapons on planes to kill people and/or highjack (numerous intances in the 70s and 80s and perhaps umm say 9/11), to be more of a security breach? Very curious?

2-3 days would seem to be sufficient but then given the lack of toilets in the terminal perhaps they will need a good clean!

And it does seem very strange that the power was not cut. It would make it quite difficult to sustain the crowd and transmit without power at the terminal.

AGAIN....there's a huge difference between finding a way to sneak a few bombs, or knives, or whatever on to an airplane....and marching en masse through the front door armed with a pointed stick.

Exactly F; when you consider how many passengers transit through major airports, and when you also consider how security was before 9/11, getting 2 or 3 terrorists onto one plane with weapons is believable.

How so many PAD supporters even got so close to the airport without action being taken is beyond belief. Was there no warning? Did no-one notice the mass of yellow approaching airport? Or perhaps in some pythonesque tiwst they disguised themselves as shrubberies in the hope that no-one would notice.

There was defiinitely some level of collusion with police and/or airport security.

An airport of this size and importance will have responses to differing scenarios mapped out, yet no action whatsoever seems to have been taken.

It is now (according to BBC World News) costing Thailand 55 million GBP every day - given that initial forecasts for economic growth in TH were down to 1.9% prior to the PAD occupation, I wonder what the revised figure will be once the crisis is solved.

[zeusbheld]

What hope the sorting this out by Friday? I'm supposed to fly in on Sunday!

Even if the PAD move out tomorrow Serirat confirmed that they will need a week to test all the equipments and system if ready to service. But anyway, good luck.

Jesus...an entire week? I definitely didn't expect it to take more than 2-3 days to test everything. Sucks even more for everyone stranded here or trying to get back in.

Actually he said he cant really tell how long it will take since he doesnt know how much things (system and sh*t) are damaged or if it still working well..

So if PADs moved out, AOT will have to check and test all systems and everything like when the airport were newly opened... airlines staff will also have to come to test things as well...

Serirat said all this on conf. call with Sorayuth/Rueang Lao Chao Nee (CH3) this morning.

thanks for clearing that up.

and again, we'd all rather wait a little longer and have 'em get it right, wouldn't we?

[frankenburner2]

But Mr Undercover you fail to realise that Khun Suriyasai is talking about PAD people (who are expendable) NOT foreigners as you misleading crapped on about! Please don't clutch at straws by pulling some quote out of context...

oh it's only expendable THAI people who are to be used as human shields! that makes it all alright then. :roll:

Mate, for someone who uses sarcasm I am quite surprised that you missed mine or intentionally ignored my earlier explanation to Undercover on the same. I'm surprised that someone as discerning as you would interpret this in this way. (Let alone the history of posts condemning all violence and stating that many are being used as manipulative pawns).

You seem to be losing your ability to keep some persepective like a few others here.

What hope the sorting this out by Friday? I'm supposed to fly in on Sunday!

Even if the PAD move out tomorrow Serirat confirmed that they will need a week to test all the equipments and system if ready to service. But anyway, good luck.

Jesus...an entire week? I definitely didn't expect it to take more than 2-3 days to test everything. Sucks even more for everyone stranded here or trying to get back in.

this is the single most massive security breach since airports were invented. i think we can wait a week for them to get it sorted. i don't think it's too much to ask.

You don't consider terrorists getting bombs onto planes (eg. Pan Am, Lockerbie) or taking weapons on planes to kill people and/or highjack (numerous intances in the 70s and 80s and perhaps umm say 9/11), to be more of a security breach? Very curious?

2-3 days would seem to be sufficient but then given the lack of toilets in the terminal perhaps they will need a good clean!

And it does seem very strange that the power was not cut. It would make it quite difficult to sustain the crowd and transmit without power at the terminal.

AGAIN....there's a huge difference between finding a way to sneak a few bombs, or knives, or whatever on to an airplane....and marching en masse through the front door armed with a pointed stick.

Exactly F; when you consider how many passengers transit through major airports, and when you also consider how security was before 9/11, getting 2 or 3 terrorists onto one plane with weapons is believable.

How so many PAD supporters even got so close to the airport without action being taken is beyond belief. Was there no warning? Did no-one notice the mass of yellow approaching airport? Or perhaps in some pythonesque tiwst they disguised themselves as shrubberies in the hope that no-one would notice.

There was defiinitely some level of collusion with police and/or airport security.

An airport of this size and importance will have responses to differing scenarios mapped out, yet no action whatsoever seems to have been taken.

It is now (according to BBC World News) costing Thailand 55 million GBP every day - given that initial forecasts for economic growth in TH were down to 1.9% prior to the PAD occupation, I wonder what the revised figure will be once the crisis is solved.

If you wish to pass (through this airport) first you must bring us a shrubbery!

NEE!

[zeusbheld]

blah

did you decide no one would get the joke, or did you realize that the apparent fact that no one looked at your journal had sweet f**k all to do with either science or tests? (yeah you have less than five seconds to change your mind when you hit the 'submit' button).

im still wondering how the KOR ROR 6 look like ! ?

I know what 'KOR ROR' is now! I did a google search! You, DOCTOR, are one sick puppy. I think in your country, you call them sick MFers!

http://tinyurl.com/6lohap

Sigh! :shock:

i don't read thai and all i found when i googled was a couple of sek loso cds. are you saying sek loso are f***ed up, or that there is something about homosexuals that is somehow more shocking and sick than men who, say, pay hookers to piss on them? if it's the first, explain pls. if the second---seems massively prudish for a farrang living in bangkok.

[Dr_Mike]

blah

did you decide no one would get the joke, or did you realize that the apparent fact that no one looked at your journal had sweet f**k all to do with either science or tests? (yeah you have less than five seconds to change your mind when you hit the 'submit' button).

im still wondering how the KOR ROR 6 look like ! ?

I know what 'KOR ROR' is now! I did a google search! You, DOCTOR, are one sick puppy. I think in your country, you call them sick MFers!

http://tinyurl.com/6lohap

Sigh! :shock:

i don't read thai and all i found when i googled was a couple of sek loso cds. are you saying sek loso are f***ed up, or that there is something about homosexuals that is somehow more shocking and sick than men who, say, pay hookers to piss on them? if it's the first, explain pls. if the second---seems massively prudish for a farrang living in bangkok.

For your little tiny brain: kor ror 6 is a document of divorce, and also the right to live and work in Thailand indefinately.

END OF CONVERSATION.

Unless you want to meet somewhere and talk about this over a couple of broken beer bottles.

[LakeGeneve]

Has anyone here felt in danger while going about their normal lives in BKK since this began?? If I took a walk along the Sukhumvit road or got the BTS to MBK would I be in danger?? I am guessing not but cannot say so cause I am watching it all from the UK.. If the airport was still in operation I would have no problem flying in and walking straight past the PAD (tho it maybe hard to find a taxi) :x

none whatsoever. id' also say that if this does descend into a civil war (as i suspect it might if the elephant that no one is talking about for obvious reasons is indeed in the room) that the main problem would be the immense hassle of getting out, not clear and present danger to foreigners.

I think this elephant is a at least a few years premature (see a few pages ago with the baseball innings explanation) and as we discussed a few months ago, it will be a catalyst for an unheralded period of instability, http://www.thailandfriends.com/index.phpname=DB_phpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=13219&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30&sid=99d611667437bda8ca64e38974fd4607&&sid=99d611667437bda8ca64e38974fd4607 (third para). I am guessing that once this round diffuses in the very near future, we will go a few more rounds of ever escalating games and brinkmanship in the coming years or decade.

But if you truely believe that this civil war scenario is impending and imminent (you have not given a time frame but the inference seems to be somewhat impending), then my friend what are you still doing here? Are you stocking up with supplies in Ratchada? Would it not be prudent to get out now? For those talking about the current cycle of events escalating into civil war and yet staying in Bangkok does not seem to make sense.

If a civil war ensues it will in my opinion proceed in fits and starts with cheeky but relatively non-threatening acts of war like seizing airports excalating with each crisis, with an increasing likelihood of violent clashes between yellow clapper hand holding fuckwits and red clapper feet holding fuckwits.

quite frankly if i felt personally at risk i've got no interest in 'adventure;' i'd be on a train (or hire a car if i no longer trusted the train) to Laos or Malaysia by now. i don't see there being much personal risk but i doubt this is the ideal place to travel to right now, even if you get in.

If and when that time comes I would suggest that your always going to be safer in BKK than travelling in the 'lawless' provinces trying to get out. Based on experiences elsewhere, if your caught up in the critical period of conflict then being where the mass of 'important' people are, the diplomatic community is and where you have contacts and know your surroundings is preferable. (Assuming, you don't live next door to an important strategic facility.)

It is a long way to Malaysia, why not a closer border like Aran which is only 4 hours and less militarised than the south where you could have different army factions engage in conflict?

the real tragedy in my opinion is not that there's a decent chance lots of yellow shirts and red shirts could die; if they killed each other off it wouldn't break my heart as they would merely be reaping what they are sowing. the real tragedy is that power hungry twats pulling the strings behind these clapper-holding idiots on both sides have no qualms whatsoever about not only torpedoing Thailand's significant economic potential, but putting a real hurt on the Thai people economically. and there's no way these "leaders" are so stupid they don't know the implications of their actions, they're just that callous and selfish.

Well if we are agreed that ordinary folk on all sides are being manipulated then any death is a real tradegy is the fact of all of those who have been injured and maimed.

Those power hungry, selfish idiots be they Thaksin and co, or Sondhi, or a bunch of generals, have shown over the years that they are more than willing to walk on the bones of the innocent.

[Dr_Mike]

ENOUGH !!!

There is no reason for your ignorant remarks.

I refuse to fight on TF, so you are only making a fool of yourself.

[frankenburner2]

ENOUGH !!!

There is no reason for your ignorant remarks.

I refuse to fight on TF, so you are only making a fool of yourself.

you are a moron.....go change your ID again...maybe your next ID will be less of an idiot.

pssst...this time, change the pic.

[Undercover]

What hope the sorting this out by Friday? I'm supposed to fly in on Sunday!

Even if the PAD move out tomorrow Serirat confirmed that they will need a week to test all the equipments and system if ready to service. But anyway, good luck.

Jesus...an entire week? I definitely didn't expect it to take more than 2-3 days to test everything. Sucks even more for everyone stranded here or trying to get back in.

I think even one week is extremely optimistic. In addition to the physical security they have to get several external foreign security agencies to sign off on it before the foreign carriers will fly in. My guess would be that they would resume incrementally, starting with the Thai carriers. The other issue is that they have this enormous backlog of people trying to get out. The latest numbers that I've read are 160,000 now with an additional 30,000 added every day.