Nicked Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Isn?t it a crime to occupy two airports and place the country in a hard economic situation and taking the laws in their own hand by putting innocent people in danger? Will this people be judge by the court too? I just wonder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Apparently not a single shop within the terminal has been touched by the protesters! Surprised and impressed by that! my neighbour turn on ASTV almost 24 hours and i've heard that the leader (speaker) announce to their people that DO NOT touch those stuff 'cause in the shop they have camera and you'll get caught! lol :shock: :roll: Am so glad they were concerned about not breaking the law then!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 watching BBC just now; they are saying passenger flights will start from midnight on Thursday night (mmm auspicious timing?).Apparently not a single shop within the terminal has been touched by the protesters! Surprised and impressed by that! Now will have to see if they make their midnight Thursday deadline, but let's hope this is a first tentative step towards calm... Not likely you'll see passenger flights start midnight Thursday. The AOT was saying in today's papers it will take weeks to assess the damage, restart and recalibrate systems and get recertification. He said Dec. 15 at the earliest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbes Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 If the remnants of the now disbanded PPP and their former coalition partners join a new party as announced and then go on to elect a new PM from amongst themselfes on the 8th of December, will the PAD mob occupy the airports again on the 9th I wonder??? :? They thinks it's all over.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 It's not over. We're between rounds. It will only start winding down if someone can convince whoever leads the next government to drop the moves to amend the constitution - unless it's done by a broad based representative assembly and the draft is put to the public for a vote. But as long as a certain convicted billionaire continues to fund the ruling party, the odds are against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 watching BBC just now; they are saying passenger flights will start from midnight on Thursday night (mmm auspicious timing?).Apparently not a single shop within the terminal has been touched by the protesters! Surprised and impressed by that! Now will have to see if they make their midnight Thursday deadline, but let's hope this is a first tentative step towards calm... Not likely you'll see passenger flights start midnight Thursday. The AOT was saying in today's papers it will take weeks to assess the damage, restart and recalibrate systems and get recertification. He said Dec. 15 at the earliest. what I would have thought as well, but cargo flights are flying today so ATC systems must all be 100% - am thinking they may have limited flights by Thai carriers sooner rather than later (given the importance of this Friday??) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpuiahsan Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Definitely this is not the end, PAD will come back again if the next elected PM is still not to their liking. Just be hopeful they wont take over the Airports again. ANyway, find it rather strange, when PAD take over the Govt house months ago, i dont think i see the Army Intervention. However, today when the Red shirt supporter rush to surround the Supreme Administrative Court, Army troops armed with M16 rifles appeared. :roll: :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpuiahsan Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Just came across an interesting piece of article. For reading pleasure. http://thaiintelligentnews.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/buhtan-style-of-development-planned-closure-of-airport-just-the-first-step/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allseasonsman Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 It's not over. We're between rounds.It will only start winding down if someone can convince whoever leads the next government to drop the moves to amend the constitution - unless it's done by a broad based representative assembly and the draft is put to the public for a vote. Impressive and intelligent- what next? But as long as a certain convicted billionaire continues to fund the ruling party, the odds are against it. You were doing so well until you wrote the usual bash the guy from the past, who was wrongfully ousted in an illegal seizure of power by PAD elements. Your right that it is not over because the majority of Thai people are being disregarded and disrespected. Today we just saw another coup by stealth and deception. My reasons for this are part given below- something I copied from elsewhere on TF [can't recall exactly where at this stage]. In short Thaksin is and never was the problem- rather he is a symptom and the real problems lay elsewhere. ============================================== 20 August 2007: So, of the 45 million Thais registered to vote, 14.7 million have endorsed the proposed constitution. It is a victory of sorts (and key no vote campaigners have accepted it), but not an impressive one. The international reaction will be interesting to watch. 3 September 2007: The explicit request of the military government was that Thai voters endorse a constitution; but the implicit request was that they endorse the future abrogation of that very document if it delivers a government unpalatable to those who wield the power to overthrow it. We can see the ideological groundwork for this being laid already with the usual tired claims about vote buying in relation to the substantial no vote in the northeast and the north. And these claims come from a government that spared little in terms of incentives and expenses for villagers mobilised as part of the yes vote campaign. 10 September 2007: Some members of the ruling regime in Thailand have reacted with predicable nationalist outrage to a European Union request to send observers to the forthcoming general election. Why such a defensive response? I don?t think it is because the junta holds out some hope of ballot-box manipulation. Quite the opposite. What the current regime fears most is that the Thai electoral process could be internationally recognised as being relatively clean. The ?sufficiency democracy? paradigm that they promote is based on the view that the electoral process is so compromised by money politics that it can be cast aside when it delivers an unpalatable result. Slandering the electoral process is the ideological bread and butter of the coup-endorsing Thai elite. With European Observers on the ground, the elite?s ongoing attempts to discredit electoral democracy will be all the more difficult. 23 December 2007: The central question for Thailand?s democracy is this: will the royalist-military elite that staged the September 2006 coup be willing to accept the election of Thaksin?s proxy party? Finding themselves back at square one after 15 months will be a bitter pill to swallow. Military action against the election result seems highly unlikely, though it cannot be ruled out. More likely is a concerted judicial attack on the elected government. This may take the form of a series of challenges to constituency results. The current military regime has worked hard to keep the spectre of electoral irregularity and vote buying alive and they may waste no time in arguing, as they did in relation to the Thaksin government, that the People Power victory was bought from an ill-informed and easily manipulated electorate. 1 January 2008: Now the issuing of ?red cards? to the successful People Power Party has started in earnest with speculation that up to 60 candidates may be disqualified ? As expected the common charge against disqualified candidates is the tired old charge of vote buying. This legal manoeuvring is just so predictable. ? Just how far the powers that be are willing to go in their current coup by stealth remains to be seen. They will do everything they can to muddy the electoral waters. 7 April 2008: For some so-called pro-democracy advocates, constitutional reform by a democratically elected government seems to be more alarming than the complete destruction of a constitution by military force. The outrage at the proposed amendment of Section 237 of the 2007 Constitution is motivated by anything but democratic principles. Section 237 allows the Constitutional Court to dissolve a political party if one of its executives is found guilty of electoral irregularity (or failing to act to prevent such an irregularity). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allseasonsman Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Just came across an interesting piece of article. For reading pleasure.http://thaiintelligentnews.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/buhtan-style-of-development-planned-closure-of-airport-just-the-first-step/ Thanks for that- Most amusing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJTX Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 watching BBC just now; they are saying passenger flights will start from midnight on Thursday night (mmm auspicious timing?).Apparently not a single shop within the terminal has been touched by the protesters! Surprised and impressed by that! Now will have to see if they make their midnight Thursday deadline, but let's hope this is a first tentative step towards calm... Not likely you'll see passenger flights start midnight Thursday. The AOT was saying in today's papers it will take weeks to assess the damage, restart and recalibrate systems and get recertification. He said Dec. 15 at the earliest. It will take them that long to count all of the merchanidse at King Powers :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJTX Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 PAD cease all anti-government protests By The Nation Protesters will come back if Thaksin's nominees return to power People's Alliance for Democracy which seized the Government House and two Bangkok airports announced an end to its protests at all spot. Within a few hours after the Constitution Court dissolved People Power Party, People's Alliance for Democracy, which had led seizures of the Government House and two Bangkok airports, declared an end to their demonstrations. "We have won a victory and achieved our aims," media mogul and PAD founder Sondhi Limthongkul said, reading a statement to reporters. "All protests will stop as of December 3 at 10am. We have gained our victory already. If there is something wrong, we will mobilize people and stage another protest," Sondhi told the cheering crowds. Other PAD's co-leaders said they decided to end the protests because they won over what they called Thaksin's nominees. The end of all protests came a few hours after the Constitution Court dissolved People Power Party, Matchima Tipatayai and Chart Thai parties early on the day. The leaders took turn to declare victories on a stage at Suvarnabhumi Airport at about 7pm. "All people can go home now. We are the victors now. "However we will be ready to come back if the country wants us too," they told the cheering crowds. In a statement issued on Tuesday, PAD said they achieved the victory because the protests' objectives were already met following the Constitution Court's ruling to disband the three parties which were nominees of former PM Thaksin Shinawatra. Another objective was to protest any attempt to amend the constitution. "Now our objectives were met, we decide to end our protest," read the statement. PAD-led protests, which lasted 192 days, has been the longest in the Thai history. The statement reiterated that PAD will lead protesters back if nominee of Thaksin comes back to power or there is any attempt to amend the charter to reduce power of the monarch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpuiahsan Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 watching BBC just now; they are saying passenger flights will start from midnight on Thursday night (mmm auspicious timing?).Apparently not a single shop within the terminal has been touched by the protesters! Surprised and impressed by that! Now will have to see if they make their midnight Thursday deadline, but let's hope this is a first tentative step towards calm... Correct me if i am wrong, Should not the airport subjected to ICAO inspection and approval before the Airports can be re-opened? If it is, then it will take weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeMarc Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 what safety or security has ever been there anyway? T.I.T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 watching BBC just now; they are saying passenger flights will start from midnight on Thursday night (mmm auspicious timing?).Apparently not a single shop within the terminal has been touched by the protesters! Surprised and impressed by that! Now will have to see if they make their midnight Thursday deadline, but let's hope this is a first tentative step towards calm... Correct me if i am wrong, Should not the airport subjected to ICAO inspection and approval before the Airports can be re-opened? If it is, then it will take weeks. wouldnt think so - they are UN agency dedicated to improving safety/security etc rather than an imposing regulatory body - but if they are UN they will be as toothless as most of their agencies!!! Would imagine the decision that airport is ready will lie with Department of Civil Aviation in Thailand itself (and perhaps Aerothai too?) Then it is decision of individual carriers to resume services... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babyoiy Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 watching BBC just now; they are saying passenger flights will start from midnight on Thursday night (mmm auspicious timing?).Apparently not a single shop within the terminal has been touched by the protesters! Surprised and impressed by that! Now will have to see if they make their midnight Thursday deadline, but let's hope this is a first tentative step towards calm... Correct me if i am wrong, Should not the airport subjected to ICAO inspection and approval before the Airports can be re-opened? If it is, then it will take weeks. wouldnt think so - they are UN agency dedicated to improving safety/security etc rather than an imposing regulatory body - but if they are UN they will be as toothless as most of their agencies!!! Would imagine the decision that airport is ready will lie with Department of Civil Aviation in Thailand itself (and perhaps Aerothai too?) Then it is decision of individual carriers to resume services... Acting President, Serirat (my mistake, I think I mentioned he's the Governor earlier), said that ICAO won't have to approve... but Department of Civil Aviation Thailand will send staff to test thing and also upon agreement with Airlines before re-open. Anyway thing can be changed anytime, he said this yesterday morning. We can never know the real damage untill all of protesters move out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJTX Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 watching BBC just now; they are saying passenger flights will start from midnight on Thursday night (mmm auspicious timing?).Apparently not a single shop within the terminal has been touched by the protesters! Surprised and impressed by that! Now will have to see if they make their midnight Thursday deadline, but let's hope this is a first tentative step towards calm... Correct me if i am wrong, Should not the airport subjected to ICAO inspection and approval before the Airports can be re-opened? If it is, then it will take weeks. wouldnt think so - they are UN agency dedicated to improving safety/security etc rather than an imposing regulatory body - but if they are UN they will be as toothless as most of their agencies!!! Would imagine the decision that airport is ready will lie with Department of Civil Aviation in Thailand itself (and perhaps Aerothai too?) Then it is decision of individual carriers to resume services... Acting President, Serirat (my mistake, I think I mentioned he's the Governor earlier), said that ICAO won't have to approve... but Department of Civil Aviation Thailand will send staff to test thing and also upon agreement with Airlines before re-open. Anyway thing can be changed anytime, he said this yesterday morning. We can never know the real damage untill all of protesters move out. There have been multiple reports in The Nation. One said passenger traffic December 15. Now another says, well maybe earlier. Apparently cargo traffic has already started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babyoiy Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 I will come back to report once I heard anything, I guess tomorrow morning there will be some live interview with AOT's chief again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babyoiy Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Cargo is probably can be running before full operation... Im just guessing coz there are many goods/stuff await there to be sent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funky_house Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Need to get the runways open by 25th december, so Santa can land in BKK. :-) Otherwise no pressies for you lot. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 what safety or security has ever been there anyway? T.I.T. it's an international airport it's highly likely that it will have to be re-certified to international standards or it won't be hosting too many international flights. it's *not* up to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakeGeneve Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Cargo is probably can be running before full operation... Im just guessing coz there are many goods/stuff await there to be sent... I think that if anyone had to get somewhere quick then the best bet is to send yourself by cargo! (Pack an oxygen tank and some warm clothes for the journey!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undercover Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 what safety or security has ever been there anyway? T.I.T. it's an international airport it's highly likely that it will have to be re-certified to international standards or it won't be hosting too many international flights. it's *not* up to them. As I mentioned before, it's not about the taking off, it's about the landing. Thailand can let anybody they want take off, but there is a vetting process before you can land in most countries. In other words, everybody landing in Australia has to comply with the security standards set by Australia. Ditto for most other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 watching BBC just now; they are saying passenger flights will start from midnight on Thursday night (mmm auspicious timing?).Apparently not a single shop within the terminal has been touched by the protesters! Surprised and impressed by that! Now will have to see if they make their midnight Thursday deadline, but let's hope this is a first tentative step towards calm... Correct me if i am wrong, Should not the airport subjected to ICAO inspection and approval before the Airports can be re-opened? If it is, then it will take weeks. wouldnt think so - they are UN agency dedicated to improving safety/security etc rather than an imposing regulatory body - but if they are UN they will be as toothless as most of their agencies!!! Would imagine the decision that airport is ready will lie with Department of Civil Aviation in Thailand itself (and perhaps Aerothai too?) Then it is decision of individual carriers to resume services... i haven't read on the subject recently but if i'm not mistaken (and i may be) several agencies have to certify an airport for it to become fully functional as an international airport. it may be the case that several agencies from several countries, as well as the airlines themselves, will have to sign off on it for it to be an international airport again. for example, i vaguely remember the American FAA being one of the agencies that needed to certify Suvarnabumi the first time before it was able to be fully online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakeGeneve Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 watching BBC just now; they are saying passenger flights will start from midnight on Thursday night (mmm auspicious timing?).Apparently not a single shop within the terminal has been touched by the protesters! Surprised and impressed by that! Now will have to see if they make their midnight Thursday deadline, but let's hope this is a first tentative step towards calm... Correct me if i am wrong, Should not the airport subjected to ICAO inspection and approval before the Airports can be re-opened? If it is, then it will take weeks. wouldnt think so - they are UN agency dedicated to improving safety/security etc rather than an imposing regulatory body - but if they are UN they will be as toothless as most of their agencies!!! Would imagine the decision that airport is ready will lie with Department of Civil Aviation in Thailand itself (and perhaps Aerothai too?) Then it is decision of individual carriers to resume services... i haven't read on the subject recently but if i'm not mistaken (and i may be) several agencies have to certify an airport for it to become fully functional as an international airport. it may be the case that several agencies from several countries, as well as the airlines themselves, will have to sign off on it for it to be an international airport again. for example, i vaguely remember the American FAA being one of the agencies that needed to certify Suvarnabumi the first time before it was able to be fully online. I know nothing on the subject but here is a few tid bits of info in this extract from the Nation. Interestingly, it claims that there were several flights tonight (moving empty planes I guess?); Serirat Pasutanond, acting president of Airports of Thailand (AOT), said earlier that Suvarnabhumi could be officially reopened to passenger flights on December 15, but after the PAD began to vacate the premises, he said resumption of services would depend on inspections of the extent of damage to systems and facilities.Claiming to have won their "final battle", the government opponents made their exit after the Constitution Court disbanded the People Power Party and two other government coalition partners - automatically dismissing Somchai Wongsawat as prime minister in the process. Suwannee Samrongwattana, deputy airport director, said several incoming and outgoing flights were operated by eight Thai and foreign carriers at the airport last night. Officials from the airlines and the International Air Transport Association will today start checking security and other systems. http://www.nationmultimedia.com/topstory/read.php?newsid=30090058 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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