Stramash Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Is it illegal to ban a nationality from your hotel? I'd like to think if I work hard enough to own my own business, I could do whatever I liked... including being a racist a**hole. well if u wanna be a racist a**hole maybe u should start a business which means u don't have to deal with ppl in the real world !!! I don't think being a racist a_hole has to come into it, but if you own your own business and have continual trouble with a particular nationality or grouping, then surely you should have the right to ban them from your business?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Is it illegal to ban a nationality from your hotel? I'd like to think if I work hard enough to own my own business, I could do whatever I liked... including being a racist a**hole. well if u wanna be a racist a**hole maybe u should start a business which means u don't have to deal with ppl in the real world !!! I don't think being a racist a_hole has to come into it, but if you own your own business and have continual trouble with a particular nationality or grouping, then surely you should have the right to ban them from your business?? i wasn't suggesting Dave was a racist a**hole .... however, i don't think u should judge ppl on race/religion/colour .... i do believe most european countries have laws against this kind of thing and i'm shocked austria appears not to have !! especially as holocaust denial there is a criminal offence with the possibilty of a jail term ... ala .. the hitler/nazi apologist and so-called historian David Irving !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Is it illegal to ban a nationality from your hotel? I'd like to think if I work hard enough to own my own business, I could do whatever I liked... including being a racist a**hole. well if u wanna be a racist a**hole maybe u should start a business which means u don't have to deal with ppl in the real world !!! I don't think being a racist a_hole has to come into it, but if you own your own business and have continual trouble with a particular nationality or grouping, then surely you should have the right to ban them from your business?? i wasn't suggesting Dave was a racist a**hole .... however, i don't think u should judge ppl on race/religion/colour .... i do believe most european countries have laws against this kind of thing and i'm shocked austria appears not to have !! especially as holocaust denial there is a criminal offence with the possibilty of a jail term ... ala .. the hitler/nazi apologist and so-called historian David Irving !!! Oh definitely agree on the Austrian case mate - seems very bizarre to say the least. My point is more on the general behaviour of a grouping. For instance, I had a lot of bad experiences with young Israelis when I was in Th and, if I owned, for instance, a guest house in Th, I would probably ban all Israelis under 25 (as well as all Man U supporters). But that is based on my personal experiences, not in a racist way. I do realise that many of that age group may have just completed a strenuous national service shooting at unarmed Palestinian youths (light blue touchpaper...stand well back) and are just letting off steam, but imho, their behaviour was akin to England football fans abroad; loutish, rude and arrogant. A personal opinion, and if they were over 25 I would be more than happy to have them as guests and customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Is it illegal to ban a nationality from your hotel? I'd like to think if I work hard enough to own my own business, I could do whatever I liked... including being a racist a**hole. well if u wanna be a racist a**hole maybe u should start a business which means u don't have to deal with ppl in the real world !!! I don't think being a racist a_hole has to come into it, but if you own your own business and have continual trouble with a particular nationality or grouping, then surely you should have the right to ban them from your business?? i wasn't suggesting Dave was a racist a**hole .... however, i don't think u should judge ppl on race/religion/colour .... i do believe most european countries have laws against this kind of thing and i'm shocked austria appears not to have !! especially as holocaust denial there is a criminal offence with the possibilty of a jail term ... ala .. the hitler/nazi apologist and so-called historian David Irving !!! Oh definitely agree on the Austrian case mate - seems very bizarre to say the least. My point is more on the general behaviour of a grouping. For instance, I had a lot of bad experiences with young Israelis when I was in Th and, if I owned, for instance, a guest house in Th, I would probably ban all Israelis under 25 (as well as all Man U supporters). But that is based on my personal experiences, not in a racist way. I do realise that many of that age group may have just completed a strenuous national service shooting at unarmed Palestinian youths (light blue touchpaper...stand well back) and are just letting off steam, but imho, their behaviour was akin to England football fans abroad; loutish, rude and arrogant. A personal opinion, and if they were over 25 I would be more than happy to have them as guests and customers. Young any race can be drunkin a**holes. I would think a place would ban drinking in their place rather then a race, but them money is money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 How about freedom to have an opinion? And act on it? There are racial stereotypes in the world... how did they come about? Because they are generally true. It's funny, but when I wrote in the other forum "Canadians are usually nice..." I didn't get anyone saying, "That's a generalisation." But if I write, "People from Country X often have BO." I can guarantee some whingy wimp is going to say, "Not ALL of them!" I KNOW it's not all of them... but it's more common than in other nationalities. Maybe it's the food. Maybe it's a cultural abhorrence of soap. I don't know. But it happens to be true. Now if I were a hotel owner and 10% of my customers were from a nationality that (generally) pissed off the other 90% and made them leave early and not rebook, wouldn't it make good business sense to lose that 10% and concentrate my efforts on the other 90%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Now if I were a hotel owner and 10% of my customers were from a nationality that (generally) pissed off the other 90% and made them leave early and not rebook, wouldn't it make good business sense to lose that 10% and concentrate my efforts on the other 90%? dave wasn't that long ago houses letting rooms in the UK had signs in the windows "no blacks, irish or dogs !!" was that acceptable ?? There are racial stereotypes in the world... how did they come about? Because they are generally true. sorry ... that's just bollocks !!! what % of english r drunken football hooligans ?? just for u iain !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Now if I were a hotel owner and 10% of my customers were from a nationality that (generally) pissed off the other 90% and made them leave early and not rebook, wouldn't it make good business sense to lose that 10% and concentrate my efforts on the other 90%? dave wasn't that long ago houses letting rooms in the UK had signs in the windows "no blacks, irish or dogs !!" was that acceptable ?? There are racial stereotypes in the world... how did they come about? Because they are generally true. sorry ... that's just bollocks !!! what % of brits r drunken football hooligans ?? eh...Brits?? That answer would be relatively low. However change the parameters of the question to 'what % of English football fans are drunken football hooligans' then the result will be drastically higher! :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalcat Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 There's a thin line between racism and common sense. I tend to agree with Dave on this... If a group has a cultural behavior just destructive toward your business - better to take precautionary measures than assume there's a small chance that this one person does not fit that mold or stereotype. And I'm sorry to all the people that don't fit that stereotype but are discriminated against... its just the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Now if I were a hotel owner and 10% of my customers were from a nationality that (generally) pissed off the other 90% and made them leave early and not rebook, wouldn't it make good business sense to lose that 10% and concentrate my efforts on the other 90%? dave wasn't that long ago houses letting rooms in the UK had signs in the windows "no blacks, irish or dogs !!" was that acceptable ?? There are racial stereotypes in the world... how did they come about? Because they are generally true. sorry ... that's just bollocks !!! what % of english r drunken football hooligans ?? just for u iain !!! 63.76% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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English_Bob Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Now if I were a hotel owner and 10% of my customers were from a nationality that (generally) pissed off the other 90% and made them leave early and not rebook, wouldn't it make good business sense to lose that 10% and concentrate my efforts on the other 90%? dave wasn't that long ago houses letting rooms in the UK had signs in the windows "no blacks, irish or dogs !!" was that acceptable ?? There are racial stereotypes in the world... how did they come about? Because they are generally true. sorry ... that's just bollocks !!! what % of english r drunken football hooligans ?? just for u iain !!! Was that acceptable? At the time, yes. Because that was the overriding feeling amongst the UK population. Is it acceptable now? No. But dogs and blacks are better trained these days, hence the change in policy. :wink: Bollocks? OK so where do stereotypes come from? Do Americans speak louder than other nationalities? Do Chinese people spit on the pavement? Do Italians use their hands more when they speak? Do Japanese tourists take lots of photos? Do English people fail to learn foreign languages and look stupid on holiday? Do Black people dance well? YES... Not all... but more than for other nationalities and races. Some stereotypes are positive - Thai people smile a lot. Some are negative - New Yorkers are rude. But there isn't a guy making this stuff up somewhere... stereotypes are (generally) true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Moobs Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 How about freedom to have an opinion? And act on it?There are racial stereotypes in the world... how did they come about? Because they are generally true. It's funny, but when I wrote in the other forum "Canadians are usually nice..." I didn't get anyone saying, "That's a generalisation." But if I write, "People from Country X often have BO." I can guarantee some whingy wimp is going to say, "Not ALL of them!" I KNOW it's not all of them... but it's more common than in other nationalities. Maybe it's the food. Maybe it's a cultural abhorrence of soap. I don't know. But it happens to be true. Now if I were a hotel owner and 10% of my customers were from a nationality that (generally) pissed off the other 90% and made them leave early and not rebook, wouldn't it make good business sense to lose that 10% and concentrate my efforts on the other 90%? DAMN THOSE SMELLY ARMPITS!!!! Ciaran you are so full of it. Every disagreement makes anyone a racist. What the fc*k ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweetieBabie Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 There's a thin line between racism and common sense. I tend to agree with Dave on this... If a group has a cultural behavior just destructive toward your business - better to take precautionary measures than assume there's a small chance that this one person does not fit that mold or stereotype. And I'm sorry to all the people that don't fit that stereotype but are discriminated against... its just the way it is. Last time i said the same thing i was called ugly and stupid and got a stone thrown at. Nightclubs are one of the examples of unavoidable discrimination. Any good business men would agree on this. There was a time i hit a nightclub where the doorman let in a disabled man in a wheelchair holding his drink with his left deformed hand. Asking, Is it something you expect to see when you out clubbing? Perhaps not. Is it morally wrong to kick him out? definitely. That club is already doomed. Nothing personal, it's just business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Well, according to the 2008 Expedia survey of 4,000 European hotels, British tourists in general were regarded as far and away the worst. "They are notorious for drunken behaviour, general rudeness and for not being able to speak a word of the local language. " Now, I personally regard that as a stereotype, and if I were a hotel owner I would treat each guest as an individual, as that is basic human decency. But some people here say stereotypes must be true, and so discrimination is okay. Even when it's a violation of the law and basic human rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAV Posted May 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 To sum it all up. Every one of us have a country we don't like, for what ever reason, rational or not. We are all human. However it gets out of hand if you treat every one from that country the same way. Example, banning all English people from your business because you had a bad time with some Lager Louts in 1988. You don't have to like the Country but you SHOULD treat every individual on their own merits. After all isn't that how you expect to be treated. !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 No... Both of the above posts are written by 'theoretical businessmen'.... "if I were a businessman..." Bullshit. If an Israeli hotel owner doesn't want Palestinians in his hotel, no-one is surprised (and vice versa for fairness' sake). So should we have 2000 year conflicts to justify who we want in our establishments? I couldn't imagine a Roman Catholic hotelier into his mainly Protestant business. Why invite potential problems with your other guests? I wouldn't expect a warm welcome from a pub that caters for Arsenal supporters if I were to show up in my Man U scarf. In the REAL world, we deal with real people. And for those that don't fall into the stereotype, life's unfair. However, as a good proportion of people DO fit the stereotype, it's natural for a business to avoid potential problems. In addition, for small business owners - they can serve whoever the Hell they like! They must live or die (professionally) by the decisions they make. They made their own business and should be entitled to make whatever stupid, offensive rules they want. Let the market decide if it was a good decision or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 In the REAL world, we deal with real people. And for those that don't fall into the stereotype, life's unfair. Bullshit. In the REAL world of most developed countries discrimination is more than unfair, it is ILLEGAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 In the real world 'some"people suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Moobs Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 ...and nice girls swallow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 In the REAL world, we deal with real people. And for those that don't fall into the stereotype, life's unfair. Bullshit. In the REAL world of most developed countries discrimination is more than unfair, it is ILLEGAL. Oh really? "Management reserve the right to refuse service." "Over 25's only." "Ladies only." "Gentlemen's club." "Dress Code." "Gay Night" Discrimination on the grounds of sex, age, race, religion or sexual orientation is illegal. But in the real world it happens all the time... because it's useful. It is company policy and the company should be allowed to make their own decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Discrimination on the grounds of sex, age, race, religion or sexual orientation is illegal. But in the real world it happens all the time... because it's useful. And in the real world, more than one company, establishment, restaurant, etc., has been sued and fined and made to change their policies for having broken anti-discrimination laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 ...and nice girls swallow. what a sterotype :roll: there are a lot of nice girl spitters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweetieBabie Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Discrimination on the grounds of sex, age, race, religion or sexual orientation is illegal. But in the real world it happens all the time... because it's useful. And in the real world, more than one company, establishment, restaurant, etc., has been sued and fined and made to change their policies for having broken anti-discrimination laws. Not in Thailand. You can't sue for ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 That's why I said in most developed countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Moobs Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 ...and nice girls swallow. what a sterotype :roll: there are a lot of nice girl spitters... not the nicest ones... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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