Defend it. Explain it.

[CiaranM]

IThe historical argument is null and void imho. Who cares where someone lived 1000, 2000 or 3000 years ago. sh*t happens, people move, whether forced or voluntary.

If the historical argument was a valid one, then we could kick the English back to various mainland European countries; after all they have been here less than 2000 years!!!

i don't see too many white americans or australians volunteering to f**k off home and leave the country to the natives !! :roll: :roll:

exactly!! Or English!!!

My point was that a historical claim to a geographical location is not a valid one.

:roll:

i know !!!!!!! :roll: :roll:

[Stramash]

IThe historical argument is null and void imho. Who cares where someone lived 1000, 2000 or 3000 years ago. sh*t happens, people move, whether forced or voluntary.

If the historical argument was a valid one, then we could kick the English back to various mainland European countries; after all they have been here less than 2000 years!!!

i don't see too many white americans or australians volunteering to f**k off home and leave the country to the natives !! :roll: :roll:

aside from America and that outher country not even worth mentioning... the english are sort of the natives, back when you could go there by foot which would be around that time we were wearing fur a lot it were the same people coming and going as on mainland Europe, it's the Frisian Dutch and some German tribes who went there later and invented themselves the english language, they didn't need to take it from other natives as far as I know.

so you are saying the English didnt take where they live from native peoples?

The name England comes from the Angles, a Germanic tribe from the Angeln peninsula (Denmark/Germany today) and arrived in the 5ht and 6th centuries.

And other than Klingon, I don't think anyone INVENTS a language!!

English is a West Germanic language and has developed from various languages and dialects including Norse, Norman, Anglo-Frisian and Lower Saxon.

The original language of the natives whose land did not need to be taken from them was Brythonic (Britain) and was a Celtic language.

I think you will find that there was a lot of turbulence then; the Angles decamped as an entire nation and left their former lands empty.

The time of the land bridge between Britain and the mainland will have seen the firt migrations, but those people were not English/Angles and are quite different from them.

[Stramash]

IThe historical argument is null and void imho. Who cares where someone lived 1000, 2000 or 3000 years ago. sh*t happens, people move, whether forced or voluntary.

If the historical argument was a valid one, then we could kick the English back to various mainland European countries; after all they have been here less than 2000 years!!!

i don't see too many white americans or australians volunteering to f**k off home and leave the country to the natives !! :roll: :roll:

exactly!! Or English!!!

My point was that a historical claim to a geographical location is not a valid one.

:roll:

i know !!!!!!! :roll: :roll:

I know you know - was just surprised thsat you missed the chance for a dig at the Soothern Pansies.

[CiaranM]

And other than Klingon, I don't think anyone INVENTS a language!!

i thought u had read paul the turd's journal !! :roll: :roll:

[Stramash]

And other than Klingon, I don't think anyone INVENTS a language!!

i thought u had read paul the turd's journal !! :roll: :roll:

ok, ok, apart from Klingon, SiamHotel and Dickhead of the Year, no-one invents a language!!!

Satisfied yet??

:twisted:

[Mister Moobs]

Love it.

It's like throwing a scrap of bloody meat to a tank full of piranhas!!!

Iain, give me your honest opinion on the question.

Really. I'd love to hear it.

Neo and Ciaran are going to be children in this thread. That's a given. I'd like a couple of honest opinions, though. It's easy to ignore those two.

here's an honest opinion ... u r sh*t stirring .... posting absolute bollocks claiming that european left wingers r more dangerous that fascist parties and then whinge and whine when ppl pull u on it !!

the other alternative is that u really truely r as dumb as paul the turd !!!

says the town drunk

[Mister Moobs]

Love it.

It's like throwing a scrap of bloody meat to a tank full of piranhas!!!

Iain, give me your honest opinion on the question.

Really. I'd love to hear it.

Neo and Ciaran are going to be children in this thread. That's a given. I'd like a couple of honest opinions, though. It's easy to ignore those two.

here's an honest opinion ... u r sh*t stirring .... posting absolute bollocks claiming that european left wingers r more dangerous that fascist parties and then whinge and whine when ppl pull u on it !!

Another alternative is that I'm throwing your own **** back at you.

No one is "whinging." I enjoy discussions with Iain. He can actually have a civil conversation. You on the other hand are always so deep in y our cups that you can barely type coherently.

[Mister Moobs]

I think hatred and mistrust of the Jews goes back much further than this century. The Christians have been hating and persecuting them far longer than the Muslims.

"March 16, 1190: A pogrom in York, England, results in the massacre of up to 500 Jews. Beginning in late 1189, Catholics goaded and envenomed by the coming Crusades In the Holy Land, form roving mobs and rehearse their fanaticism by attacking and murdering Jews. In September 1189, 30 Jews are murdered to mark the coronation of King Richard I the Lionheart. That massacre would prove to be a mere warm-up act for the carnage of March 18 the following year, when Jews are killed by the hundreds in York but also at Lynn, at Stamford fair, and at Norwich. Dozens of Jews commit suicide to avoid being murdered. (New York was not named after England?s York, but rather in honor of the 17th century Duke of York.)"

Of course there are stories like this one from all over Medieval Europe, especially around the time of the various crusades when religious extremism was rampant in most European countries.

To many Christians, the Jews will always be seen as the betrayer and killer of Christ.

For Muslims, although much of the modern hatred is based on the land grabs, and despite in many regions the two religions managing to live in peace, I do think the hatred goes back to the days of Muhammed himself.

According to islamic legend/history, Jewish tribes in exile not only breached agreements and treaties, but in some cases plotted to kill Muhammed himself.

So, you can almost imagine a Muslim and a Christian sitting together a thousand years ago discussing these pesky b*stards who seem to keep killing or trying to kill their respective prophets!!

Of course, much of the modern hatred is based on the expulsion and persecution of the Palestinians.

There is a unity within Islam (and yes, I appreciate there are the different sects such as Sunni and Shi'ite) but there is still a foundation of shared faith not seen as much in Christianity. What does not help the situation over the last decade or three are the twisted mullahs and self serving 'freedom fighters' who distort the Koran and instil and ferment hatred amongst the young.

But while you are right to say there is not only a tiny percent who hate the Jews, I would say that it is not a majority who HATE. Mistrust certainly, dislike, almost definitely, but there are many Muslims who want a peaceful solution to Palestine, and there are many who are willing to recognise Israel's right to exist if Israel will do the same for Palestine, and without the ludicrous conditions Netanhayu suggested the other day.

The historical argument is null and void imho. Who cares where someone lived 1000, 2000 or 3000 years ago. sh*t happens, people move, whether forced or voluntary.

If the historical argument was a valid one, then we could kick the English back to various mainland European countries; after all they have been here less than 2000 years!!!

I can see all of that and agree with much of it. It's always struck me as curious. I was really surprised at the level of anger expressed by Afghanis towards Israel. They really have no dog in that fight other than the fact that the Arabs are Muslim as well. Yet, quite a few with whom I have spoken also have a healthy distrust of the Arabs as well.

I actually had one guy ask me in a serious manner if the Jews in Israel really drank the blood or Arab children. I just started laughing. It's a strange world.

[beej]

Beej, I don't think it's a tiny %.

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So out of the BILLIONS of Muslims in the world, in your educated opinion, what % would you say HATE all Jews?

[LakeGeneve]

It would be like Eskimos in Alaska hating Swedes simply because they are Christians.

Innuit people don't hate Swedes!!! :shock:

I know it gets boring in the Stan but do you have to keep on with the same old pet issues in every thread just so you can yet again have the same old arguements?

[Mister Moobs]

LG, look past your grudge and just talk. It's not that difficult. Answer the question or do not answer it. It's a simple choice.

[Mister Moobs]

Beej, I don't think it's a tiny %.

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So out of the BILLIONS of Muslims in the world, in your educated opinion, what % would you say HATE all Jews?

I'd have no idea.

I don't know if hate was the correct word. I met a gal from Iran who stated that it's all conjured by the Mullahs/Politicians (as if there were a difference) to keep the people focused outward. In this way, the people will not look at their own situations and see all that is wrong at home.

It's a valid point.

Politicians in Europe and America use this same strategy.

I would say that hatred/distrust of Israel/Jews has been systematically sewn by the Mullahs at least since the 30s.

So I would say that it is a deep seated emotion amongst the Muslim peoples. If you can't see it, you can't see it. I see it any time that I travel through the Middle East and here in Afghanistan.

Guys it's simply a conversation. Same thing as with LG, you have two choices. See it as such and join in or opt out. Of course, you have the Ciaran option. Get all angry and start cursing incoherently.

[LakeGeneve]

LG, look past your grudge and just talk. It's not that difficult. Answer the question or do not answer it. It's a simple choice..

Dave, there is no grudge and I obviously chose not to answer as it is a boring subject that has been done to death already by you, hence my comment.

Your modis operandi is to post these seemingly open but loaded questions so you can have yet another round of an endless debate. Deja Vu.

But hey good luck.

[eagle]

Beej, I don't think it's a tiny %.

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So out of the BILLIONS of Muslims in the world, in your educated opinion, what % would you say HATE all Jews?

I'd have no idea.

I don't know if hate was the correct word. I met a gal from Iran who stated that it's all conjured by the Mullahs/Politicians (as if there were a difference) to keep the people focused outward. In this way, the people will not look at their own situations and see all that is wrong at home.

It's a valid point.

Politicians in Europe and America use this same strategy.

I would say that hatred/distrust of Israel/Jews has been systematically sewn by the Mullahs at least since the 30s.

So I would say that it is a deep seated emotion amongst the Muslim peoples. If you can't see it, you can't see it. I see it any time that I travel through the Middle East and here in Afghanistan.

Guys it's simply a conversation. Same thing as with LG, you have two choices. See it as such and join in or opt out. Of course, you have the Ciaran option. Get all angry and start cursing incoherently.

I think the Jewish- Arab thing goes back thousands of years with modern political and religious types supporting the conflict for their agendas. As far as how many I would think it depends where the muslims live and what status or style they are living. Living in the US you would think all whites are down on blacks depending who your hanging out with. And blacks against whites also. Indians definitely have an attitude towards whites for obvious reasons but again education and status changes things. People who are struggling tend to hang on to the prejudice and many rise above. All my opinion of course.

[digitalcat]

Beej, I don't think it's a tiny %.

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So out of the BILLIONS of Muslims in the world, in your educated opinion, what % would you say HATE all Jews?

there are billions of them? ****

sweety pack the gun the A-rabs are coming.

I think JD has a valid point. Even if its 20% its still a strange phenomenon for Asian Muslims to hate people they never met.

I experienced it 1st hand.

[Mister Moobs]

The ignorant, illiterate, uneducated and destitute Muslim theory.

Kind of flies in the face of what is known about many of the Terrorists. Well educated--in the West. Many educated in America no less. Others in France, Britain and other parts of Europe.

I don't know. I'm sure that the average villager out there whose Mullah tells him that such and such is bad believes it with all his illiterate heart.

Osama bin Laden was educated. Jeddah University, I think.

The founder of al Jihad. I forget his name. He was/is a doctor.

The founder of the Muslim Brotherhood. Qutb was educated in the US. Lived there at least 4 years. Many volunteers for the Jihad in Afghanistan against the Russians were college students and graduates of US and European Universities.

The illiterate theory doesn't hold.

I knew met a Muslim gal in Egypt. A Doctor. Well educated. About a year after I met her, she donned the hijab and went over totally. Educated and absolutely HATED Israel. And hate is definitely not the wrong word in this instance.

It's so strange to me. Regardless of what my stalkers think, I do not hate Muslims. I abhor their religion. In the same manner that my stalkers abhor Christianity. I have no use for that religion either, but, while it tends to bend towards intolerance, it rarely lists towards full blown hate. Not in this age.

Don't get me wrong. I'd like to kill every last terrorist son of a ***** out there. But the people who mean me no harm and aren't hell bent on converting the world through the greater or lesser jihad....I got no prob with 'em.

There is a level of indoctrination of the masses in Islam that is eerily similar to the Communists. It's strikingly similar.

I'm certain that this will be shouted down by the folks who say that they don't care. The liberals and what not and I'm certain that they'll call me a bigot. blah blah blah and one will curse at me and call me a ******* this or that. But this is my experience in the Muslim world.

[Stramash]

The ignorant, illiterate, uneducated and destitute Muslim theory.

Kind of flies in the face of what is known about many of the Terrorists. Well educated--in the West. Many educated in America no less. Others in France, Britain and other parts of Europe.

I don't know. I'm sure that the average villager out there whose Mullah tells him that such and such is bad believes it with all his illiterate heart.

Osama bin Laden was educated. Jeddah University, I think.

The founder of al Jihad. I forget his name. He was/is a doctor.

The founder of the Muslim Brotherhood. Qutb was educated in the US. Lived there at least 4 years. Many volunteers for the Jihad in Afghanistan against the Russians were college students and graduates of US and European Universities.

The illiterate theory doesn't hold.

I knew met a Muslim gal in Egypt. A Doctor. Well educated. About a year after I met her, she donned the hijab and went over totally. Educated and absolutely HATED Israel. And hate is definitely not the wrong word in this instance.

It's so strange to me. Regardless of what my stalkers think, I do not hate Muslims. I abhor their religion. In the same manner that my stalkers abhor Christianity. I have no use for that religion either, but, while it tends to bend towards intolerance, it rarely lists towards full blown hate. Not in this age.

Don't get me wrong. I'd like to kill every last terrorist son of a b*tch out there. But the people who mean me no harm and aren't hell bent on converting the world through the greater or lesser jihad....I got no prob with 'em.

There is a level of indoctrination of the masses in Islam that is eerily similar to the Communists. It's strikingly similar.

I'm certain that this will be shouted down by the folks who say that they don't care. The liberals and what not and I'm certain that they'll call me a bigot. blah blah blah and one will curse at me and call me a f*cking this or that. But this is my experience in the Muslim world.

f*cking bigoted ****, always f*cking blaming the mussies and posting ****.

ooops sorry, a sudden attack of Ciaranitis...

[Stramash]

what's the difference between Basil Brush and an arab with a rucksack?

an arab only goes boom once...

[toma]

what's the difference between Basil Brush and an arab with a rucksack?

an arab only goes boom once...

Right after the US and A invaded Iraq, a arab looking boy thought it would be funny to throw his rucksack next to a cafe shout "I the name of Allah" (in german).

"it was a bad idea"... he told the media after he woke up in the hospital.

[Stramash]

what's the difference between Basil Brush and an arab with a rucksack?

an arab only goes boom once...

Right after the US and A invaded Iraq, a arab looking boy thought it would be funny to throw his rucksack next to a cafe shout "I the name of Allah" (in german).

"it was a bad idea"... he told the media after he woke up in the hospital.

I try to avoid buying into this "Americans are stupid" stereotype but, for f*ck's sake, sometimes it is hard not to. Apparently one of the questions FBI Interrogators ask al Qaeda suspects is, "Have you ever successfully carried out a suicide bombing?"

[Stramash]

The world has been revolutionised by social networking over the last few years- Bebo, MSN & Twitter to

name a few. It has brought the world closer than ever before.

??but of course, let?s not forget the Middle East!

MyGaza and Facehide

-Abdul is ? planning a revenge attack on his neighbour

-Mohammed has joined the group ? I only get hungry during Ramandan!

-Azeem has joined the group Al-Qaida

-If 1000 Muslims join this group, Aashif will eat a pork sandwich!

-Allah has joined the group ? Who gets my technicolour dream coat when I suicide bomb the starbucks!

-Nasheem has sent Baklava a non alcoholic gift.

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- Saddam Hussein has left the group You will never catch me, infidels!

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- Prophet Muhammed's profile picture upload file: myfacecensored.jpg

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- Prophet Muhammed has joined the group: Childrens Tea Parties

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- Prophet Muhammed has been forced into the group: Sex offenders register

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- Prophet Muhammed is a fan of Achmed the Dead Terrorist

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- Aisha has joined the group: Sodomised by an Old Man and Loving It

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- Ahmed has joined the group: Petition to ban christian celebrations in Britain

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- Abu Hamza is currently hooked on porn

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- Mohammed Al Zakawi just raped and poured acid on his daughter for playing with make up

- Nasheeb likes this

- Sheikh Razi likes this

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-Aashir: loves his new brown turban

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Saddam Hussein has changed his status to 'offline'

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Usain has poked you. His hands shall be chopped off as punishment.

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Farid played Bomb the Infidels and won 53 virgins.

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saleem has joined the group 'Liverpool John Moores University'

Saleem is wonderin why wasnt Nasheeb in chemisty class today?

-Azeem has joined the group Al-Qaida

-Five of your friends took the Burka Challenge. 67% of you correctly guessed they were probably male.

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salma is now a fan mass suicide

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Asif has joined the group 'how to bomb people and brainwash people'

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Achmed is now in a relationship with ; Sunita, Fatima, Asiya, Haleema and Nawal.

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Udiz joined the Group 'Pimp My Cave'

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Mahmood has joined the group ' i don't drink alcohol myself but I will sell you some for very nice price'

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Farzan Mahmood Allah al Zakawi-Mohammed al SimSimSallahBim al Jihad thinks that forms should have more space for his surname.

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Sheikh Mohammed bin Al Arabashid has edited his Political Views to Extreme Jihad

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Osama Bin Laden Networks: Underground Tunnel System, Afghanistan

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Waseem Aslam has changed his/her status to Away (on a suicide mission, leave me stuff xx)

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Ali Akbar added a video '3 Americans and an axe'

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Ahmed Al Jahal Muhammed Ibrahim has changed his relationship status to 5 wives and 3 girlfriends. The fourth is complicated.

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Fatima joined the secret group "My middle yeast infection really gets my goat"

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Ahmed Akbal is attending the event 'suicide bombing'

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Muhammed poked a goat.

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Abdul joined the group 'Why bother washing your underpants'

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Ahmed Salif has uploaded new photos to the "Flying Lessons" album.

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Ibrahim Mahirza has flown a plane into your SuperWall.

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Nasheem has sent Baklava a gift of a haversack, (don't leave this one on the bus like last time!)

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Abdul joined the group "Kill all those who think Islam is a violent religion!"

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Saleem has joined the group "Ninja Appreciation"

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Status: Sadam Hussain is hanging with Allah

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Mustafa joined the group "I'd leave my wife for a camel...AGAIN!"

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Hajimal has just taken the 'What hot hot spice are you?' Quiz

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Imran Mujafi was tagged in the photo "F.B.I Most Wanted List"

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Amir Ali Akbar joined the group "Me and some mates went to Afghanistan but ended up in Guantanamo Bay"

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Akhtar Al Muhajir wrote on Imran Muhammed Jahal's wall: "Yes it very nice my friend, but you sure you can walk into building undetected?"

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Sheik Mehru Umallah bin Ahmed III is leaving Iran and moving to a council house in Bradford on tuesday!

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Osama Bin Laden joined the group - who loves hide and seek?

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Welcome, Osama. You have 2 new friend requests from George W. Bush and Tony Blair.

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Faraq joined the group: "I married my cousin"

[eagle]

JDaniels wrote:

he illiterate theory doesn't hold

Educated are leaders but the mass of the armies are not. Th3 leaders have a twisted agenda but they dupe their soldiers into doing their bidding. Like the Repulican party Or Demos if you like. The Klan , Nazis it goes on and on. How much Horror a few can do abusing power.

Look at the repos and demos with different idealogies in the US. I have met many supposedly intellectual bigots. People can twist the world to suit any agenda.

[CiaranM]

Love it.

It's like throwing a scrap of bloody meat to a tank full of piranhas!!!

Iain, give me your honest opinion on the question.

Really. I'd love to hear it.

Neo and Ciaran are going to be children in this thread. That's a given. I'd like a couple of honest opinions, though. It's easy to ignore those two.

here's an honest opinion ... u r sh*t stirring .... posting absolute bollocks claiming that european left wingers r more dangerous that fascist parties and then whinge and whine when ppl pull u on it !!

the other alternative is that u really truely r as dumb as paul the turd !!!

says the town drunk

yawnnnnnnnnn ............ is that the best TF's resident bigot can come back with ??

[eagle]

Another long standing feud in a why are there longstanding feud thread.............. :shock:

[Mister Moobs]

Ciarain simply enjoys stalking me. I've never seen anyone so obsessed. And that odd fear of prostitutes for a guy living in Thailand.