Mister Moobs Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 have you ever worked for a company or in an organization of any sort and experieinced this? 1. A Key Leader departs. Retires. Quits. Promoted to another spot somewhere else. 2. The department, office, company or whatever in which this key leader worked seems to fall apart. problems that theretofore were common elsewhere pop up. The morale of the section or office goes down. People start getting fired or into trouble of one sort or the other. 3. The next head of that section gets into trouble and blames the problems on the guy who just left. The guy who had been successfully running the section/office. I've seen this occur several times over the course of my life. What are the causes? Why can some people make things seem so effortless and others step into great situations and almost instantly turn them bad or ineffective. Any opinions on this or experiences with this from any of my fellow TF'rs? What are you opinions on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin_2 Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Is this somehow related to Obama? Because this mess really wasn't his fault! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbes Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Has your chaiwallah absconded.....again?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Moobs Posted October 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Ah, Hobbes doing what he does best. Hi-jacking threads and insulting folks. He's in fine form. Now, he'll cry the next time someone hi-jacks a thread in which he has interest. Rob, this has absolutely nothing to do with Obama. Looking for input from people who have actually been in leadership positions and have been in a position to see this occur. I've seen it several times over the course of my professional life. Simply interested in opinions of people who have real experiences to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 I've seen it - it was me. I ran a bar in Bangkok... I was paid a salary and a profit related bonus. After a few months, the bar was kicking and I was earning more than the individual partners every month. I worked there for 18 months before getting sacked - one of the partners resented the money I earned. He decided not to employ another manager and trusted the staff to keep the place running. 5 weeks later and takings were down by 80%... customers left in droves... no atmosphere, lazy staff, poor service, watered down drinks, unhygienic bathrooms... all the stuff a good manager watches. I liked the place, but it was gratifying to see it die without me! (Som Sam Nar, MoFo!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Because no one really gives a ****. Take the salary, turn up, go home. Simple. Some times, you get someone who gives half a ****, and things run well until they leave, then it goes back to Joe blogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 have you ever worked for a company or in an organization of any sort and experieinced this?1. A Key Leader departs. Retires. Quits. Promoted to another spot somewhere else. 2. The department, office, company or whatever in which this key leader worked seems to fall apart. problems that theretofore were common elsewhere pop up. The morale of the section or office goes down. People start getting fired or into trouble of one sort or the other. 3. The next head of that section gets into trouble and blames the problems on the guy who just left. The guy who had been successfully running the section/office. I've seen this occur several times over the course of my life. What are the causes? Why can some people make things seem so effortless and others step into great situations and almost instantly turn them bad or ineffective. Any opinions on this or experiences with this from any of my fellow TF'rs? What are you opinions on Happened to me about 5 years ago. I was in a key position. I had a lot of responsibilities and was expected (and did) deliver outstanding results. I had been there for about 8 years. I was expecting to be offered a partnership to the firm. but was not. So I walked out. A percentage of clients of the firm walked out with me. Chaos ensured and a lot of finger pointing was directed at me (or so I heard). That didn't bother me, I was too busy setting up my own practice. Now, I control my own destiny.....gotta say, it was the toughest, but best decision of my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 have you ever worked for a company or in an organization of any sort and experieinced this?1. A Key Leader departs. Retires. Quits. Promoted to another spot somewhere else. 2. The department, office, company or whatever in which this key leader worked seems to fall apart. problems that theretofore were common elsewhere pop up. The morale of the section or office goes down. People start getting fired or into trouble of one sort or the other. 3. The next head of that section gets into trouble and blames the problems on the guy who just left. The guy who had been successfully running the section/office. I've seen this occur several times over the course of my life. What are the causes? Why can some people make things seem so effortless and others step into great situations and almost instantly turn them bad or ineffective. Any opinions on this or experiences with this from any of my fellow TF'rs? What are you opinions on Happened to me about 5 years ago. I was in a key position. I had a lot of responsibilities and was expected (and did) deliver outstanding results. I had been there for about 8 years. I was expecting to be offered a partnership to the firm. but was not. So I walked out. A percentage of clients of the firm walked out with me. Chaos ensured and a lot of finger pointing was directed at me (or so I heard). That didn't bother me, I was too busy setting up my own practice. Now, I control my own destiny.....gotta say, it was the toughest, but best decision of my life. McDonalds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 have you ever worked for a company or in an organization of any sort and experieinced this?1. A Key Leader departs. Retires. Quits. Promoted to another spot somewhere else. 2. The department, office, company or whatever in which this key leader worked seems to fall apart. problems that theretofore were common elsewhere pop up. The morale of the section or office goes down. People start getting fired or into trouble of one sort or the other. 3. The next head of that section gets into trouble and blames the problems on the guy who just left. The guy who had been successfully running the section/office. I've seen this occur several times over the course of my life. What are the causes? Why can some people make things seem so effortless and others step into great situations and almost instantly turn them bad or ineffective. Any opinions on this or experiences with this from any of my fellow TF'rs? What are you opinions on Happened to me about 5 years ago. I was in a key position. I had a lot of responsibilities and was expected (and did) deliver outstanding results. I had been there for about 8 years. I was expecting to be offered a partnership to the firm. but was not. So I walked out. A percentage of clients of the firm walked out with me. Chaos ensured and a lot of finger pointing was directed at me (or so I heard). That didn't bother me, I was too busy setting up my own practice. Now, I control my own destiny.....gotta say, it was the toughest, but best decision of my life. McDonalds? Still sore, huh? Why don't you go and ask Don what I do and who are my clients?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 I'd say its common. When a good or adequate leader leaves things go south till everyone regroups. An organization should then have meetings to point out the weak spots and do better. A good leader keeps everyone in line. Without him you need to alll work together or fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeMarc Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 As a Creative Director a few times in my career, handling many staff, clients, shareholders and big budgets, I've seen what you describe and much more many times. Its an extremely tough job for anyone to walk into a group of humans and lead them to great success (whatever that may be). And yes, what (and who) has happened before does have some bearing on this. But I say: not much. I was given some great advice from my own mentors about leadership, and probably the best advice I ever got was to "be the leader you always wished you had". This takes some initial soul searching. In the end (or rather the beginning), it is vital to be the leader from the first millisecond one walks in...your way. And if you haven't been fully empowered and given necessary support to do this (for the period agreed), then you shouldn't put yourself in that position in the first place. Like an actor on stage, you must be sure that you know where the "X" spot is you're supposed to hit and know that you can hit it. I have seen many leaders try to step into someone elses shoes and end up being crucified no matter what they do. You may get some inspiration from this - http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/itay_talgam_lead_like_the_great_conductors.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chatty Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 have you ever worked for a company or in an organization of any sort and experieinced this?1. A Key Leader departs. Retires. Quits. Promoted to another spot somewhere else. 2. The department, office, company or whatever in which this key leader worked seems to fall apart. problems that theretofore were common elsewhere pop up. The morale of the section or office goes down. People start getting fired or into trouble of one sort or the other. 3. The next head of that section gets into trouble and blames the problems on the guy who just left. The guy who had been successfully running the section/office. I've seen this occur several times over the course of my life. What are the causes? Why can some people make things seem so effortless and others step into great situations and almost instantly turn them bad or ineffective. Any opinions on this or experiences with this from any of my fellow TF'rs? What are you opinions on That's why big organizations have "KNOWLEDGE SHARING" it's related to my work to train new staff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Moobs Posted October 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 How does one train the un-trainable? Thanks for the input guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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