Copenhagen-Global Warming Conference

[zeusbheld]

Your head is so far up your a*s like the rest of the desperate right wing. facts hehe hehe he said facts hehe

You and the rest of your pathetic left wing ilk (including, we've long suspected and now discover, corrupted "academia") are pathological liars. Y'all harbor a hatred for trade, corporations, individual success and merit, American Patriotism, wealth accumulation and the American way of life; yet so many still choose to live here. You will say and do ANYTHING to ram through your vile agenda to enslave as many human minds as possible to be dependent on the government ***.

There's always someone or something to demonize; to stoke jealousy, envy and whip up an exaggerated hated of. Lying isn't just acceptable, it's a potent tool to be deployed whenever and wherever possible.

The entire despicable agenda thrives on accusations, distrust, dishonesty and a scarcity mode mindset; whether true or false, but usually false.

Sounds like Communism/Socialism to me.

If there is one answer to the world's "problems" many can be solved this way:

EXTERMINATE LIBERALISM

Merry Christmas.

i take back what i said about your comedy being stale, that was comedy cold, especially the part where you're going on about someone... ANYONE... else thriving on "accusations, distrust, dishonesty."

check the mirror, baby girl. without those three things you'd have absolutely nothing to say. ever.

(cue Vic's *only* significant line of attack: changing the subject to how many posts i have. the most limp-dicked ad hominem ever.)

[eagle]

cue Vic's *only* significant line of attack

I'll smoke a fatty while you run up your post numbers

[primetime]

Hmmmmm. I believe no verification of China's emissions is needed.......NOT.

Who are these chuckleheads trying to fool. Since when has China not cheated, lied, and followed any international agreement it has signed?

[CiaranM]

Your head is so far up your a*s like the rest of the desperate right wing. facts hehe hehe he said facts hehe

You and the rest of your pathetic left wing ilk (including, we've long suspected and now discover, corrupted "academia") are pathological liars. Y'all harbor a hatred for trade, corporations, individual success and merit, American Patriotism, wealth accumulation and the American way of life; yet so many still choose to live here. You will say and do ANYTHING to ram through your vile agenda to enslave as many human minds as possible to be dependent on the government ***.

There's always someone or something to demonize; to stoke jealousy, envy and whip up an exaggerated hated of. Lying isn't just acceptable, it's a potent tool to be deployed whenever and wherever possible.

The entire despicable agenda thrives on accusations, distrust, dishonesty and a scarcity mode mindset; whether true or false, but usually false.

Sounds like Communism/Socialism to me.

If there is one answer to the world's "problems" many can be solved this way:

EXTERMINATE LIBERALISM

Merry Christmas.

ffs ... somebody even f**king stupider than paul the turd .. who would have thought that was ever possible !!!

[Hobbes]

Your head is so far up your a*s like the rest of the desperate right wing. facts hehe hehe he said facts hehe

You and the rest of your pathetic left wing ilk (including, we've long suspected and now discover, corrupted "academia") are pathological liars. Y'all harbor a hatred for trade, corporations, individual success and merit, American Patriotism, wealth accumulation and the American way of life; yet so many still choose to live here. You will say and do ANYTHING to ram through your vile agenda to enslave as many human minds as possible to be dependent on the government ***.

There's always someone or something to demonize; to stoke jealousy, envy and whip up an exaggerated hated of. Lying isn't just acceptable, it's a potent tool to be deployed whenever and wherever possible.

The entire despicable agenda thrives on accusations, distrust, dishonesty and a scarcity mode mindset; whether true or false, but usually false.

Sounds like Communism/Socialism to me.

If there is one answer to the world's "problems" many can be solved this way:

EXTERMINATE LIBERALISM

Merry Christmas.

...and your Christmas will soon be abolished like in Cuba because we Communists are Atheists of course.

Rot Front, Genosse!

:roll:

[LakeGeneve]

attention ********its winter time***********

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh............no it's not, Herbal Essence. Winter starts the same time every year, 21 December, Thai Stick. The Bloomberg article said the country was experiencing the coldest "winter conditions" (repeat: IT AIN'T WINTER YET) in 14 or 16 years, Panama Red. I can't wait to see what January through March (that's peak winter, Clown) brings. It's kinda hard to square the bullshit with the facts, esp. when the facts hit you like wind chill smack in the face. Back to tokin' and fryin' brain cells, Maui Wowie. Merry Christmas.

I guess using yourshort term logic Portsmouth winning on the weekend means that they are going to win the EPL (or the Browns will win the Super Bowl), a 3 day rise on the NYSE in the middle of a bearish period is a sign that stocks are good and 3 days of rain in the middle of the dry season would mean that the wet season has arrived! :roll:

[eagle]

Hmmmmm. I believe no verification of China's emissions is needed.......NOT.

Who are these chuckleheads trying to fool. Since when has China not cheated, lied, and followed any international agreement it has signed?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/22/copenhagen-climate-change-mark-lynas

[eagle]

attention ********its winter time***********

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh............no it's not, Herbal Essence. Winter starts the same time every year, 21 December, Thai Stick. The Bloomberg article said the country was experiencing the coldest "winter conditions" (repeat: IT AIN'T WINTER YET) in 14 or 16 years, Panama Red. I can't wait to see what January through March (that's peak winter, Clown) brings. It's kinda hard to square the bullshit with the facts, esp. when the facts hit you like wind chill smack in the face. Back to tokin' and fryin' brain cells, Maui Wowie. Merry Christmas.

I guess using yourshort term logic Portsmouth winning on the weekend means that they are going to win the EPL (or the Browns will win the Super Bowl), a 3 day rise on the NYSE in the middle of a bearish period is a sign that stocks are good and 3 days of rain in the middle of the dry season would mean that the wet season has arrived! :roll:

I know technically december 20th is the first day of winter but then march 20th is the first day of spring and in the US we got 2 ft of snow after that date 20 years ago. Personally I say its winter when I need my winter coat......

[LakeGeneve]

Very interesting read in the Guardian;

How do I know China wrecked the Copenhagen deal? I was in the room

So how did China manage to pull off this coup? First, it was in an extremely strong negotiating position. China didn't need a deal. As one developing country foreign minister said to me: "The Athenians had nothing to offer to the Spartans."

[eagle]

Very interesting read in the Guardian;

How do I know China wrecked the Copenhagen deal? I was in the room

So how did China manage to pull off this coup? First, it was in an extremely strong negotiating position. China didn't need a deal. As one developing country foreign minister said to me: "The Athenians had nothing to offer to the Spartans."

Interesting article and not surprising that China doesn't want to be told to slow there ascent by the US.

[DJTX]

Future of the North Pole :?:

[Bruce551]

Transcript: Obama Talks With PBS' Jim Lehrer

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/transcript-obama-talks-with-pbs-jim-lehrer.php

MR. LEHRER: (Chuckles.) Copenhagen.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Yes.

MR. LEHRER: Here was a situation where there were many things that you and others wanted done.

COP15

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Right.

MR. LEHRER: None of them got done -

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Yeah.

MR. LEHRER: - and yet you've said, well, it was a success anyhow. Is that a loaf? Did you get -

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, -

MR. LEHRER: You didn't get any loaf there, did you?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, - well, no - I think Copenhagen's entirely different from health care. I mean, I think that people are justified in being disappointed about the outcome in Copenhagen. What I said was essentially that rather than see a complete collapse in Copenhagen, in which nothing at all got done and would have been a huge backward step, at least we kind of held ground and there wasn't too much backsliding from where we were.

It didn't move us the way we need to. The science says that we've got to significantly reduce emissions over the next - over the next 40 years. There's nothing in the Copenhagen agreement that ensures that that happens.

What - what did occur was that at a point where there was about to be complete breakdown, and the prime minister of India was heading to the airport and the Chinese representatives were essentially skipping negotiations, and everybody's screaming, what did happen was, cooler heads prevailed.

And we were able to at least agree on non-legally binding targets for all countries - not just the United States, not just Europe, but also for China and India, which, projecting forward, are going to be the world's largest emitters.

So that - that was an important principle, that everybody's got to do something in order to solve this problem. But I make no claims, and didn't make any claims going in, that somehow that was going to be everything that we needed to do to solve climate change. And - and my main responsibility here is to convince the American people that it is smart economics and it is going to be the engine of our economic growth for us to be a leader in clean energy.

And if we pass a bill in the Senate, reconcile it with the House, that says we are going to invest in wind energy and solar energy and we're going to be the guys who are producing wind turbines, and we're going to be the folks who are producing solar panels on rooftops, and we're going to be the country that is retrofitting all its homes and businesses so that we are 30 percent more energy-efficient than we are right now, that produces jobs that can't be exported; it reduces our dependence on foreign oil; it is good economics; it will increase our exports - oh, and by the way, it also solves the climate problem. And that is, I think, an argument that I'm going to be making not just next year but for several years to come.

Hopefully, the U.S. & EU will apply pressure to China by requiring that China's exports to meet "Green Clean Energy standards" (Green supply chain) and that means, China's exports made with electricity from Coal Plants will be charged a "CO2 Tax" before it can be imported.

[eagle]

Its still a shock to have a president who doesn't speak nonsense like Bush :shock:

[warren]

Its still a shock to have a president who doesn't speak nonsense like Bush :shock:

Tall and tan and young and smoking

Obama's a socialist, and I'm not joking,

But when the teleprompter gets going,

The press are almost choking with awe

[warren]

If there are more hurricanes than usual - Global Warming.

If there are fewer hurricanes than usual -Global Warming.

If glaciers are shrinking - Global Warming.

If glaciers are expanding -Global Warming.

Record heat -Global Warming.

Record cold -Global Warming.

Floods - Global Warming.

Drought - Global Warming.

Thick tree rings - Global Warming.

Thin tree rings - Global Warming.

If the infallible IPCC Weather Indicator is missing, some climate scientist must have deleted it.

Global Warming, Climate Change, Climate Instability = Greenhoax Effect.

Y2Kyoto: Climate Instability Just Around The Corner

I picked up on something said during a television interview at Copenhagen last week, and both my gut and my search engine tell me the language of the UN's great socialist money-sucking scheme is evolving once again.

Just as "global warming" was pushed into an inconveniently cold and bitter night, "climate change" may be readying its last will and testament.

"Climate change" was always a weak substitute for "global warming", because it was always so easy to rebut. As even the experts were forced to concede, the climate is always changing and has since long before man discovered spark plugs.

This new terminology is more clever, for it neatly avoids the shortcomings of its clumsy forebears. It requires neither warming, nor change. Just television.

When blizzards descend on scientists and world leaders from Copenhagen to East Anglia to Washington, they warmists can now claim ownership.

When hurricane forecasts fall short of the mark, the propagandists can cite their very failure to support their scheme.

Warm winters, cold winters, more hurricanes, fewer hurricanes, growing ice caps, melting ice caps - directions won't matter. Every "new" temperature record, every seasonal flood, every California hot spell, every dusting of snow in the south of France - in other words, local weather, reported globally, will return full force as evidence of anthropogenic climate crime, as it did in a simpler time when the ice conditions of a canal in Ottawa led to nationwide panic.

So, get ready to welcome the new talking point on the block: "climate instability".

[eagle]

So, get ready to welcome the new talking point on the block: "climate instability".

How about we start talking about man living in harmony with the environment instead of leaving garbage and destruction everywhere and spewing poisons in the air we breath. They used to call it progress but now we know the pollution causes all kinds of havoc. :twisted:

[Hobbes]

If there are more hurricanes than usual - Global Warming.

If there are fewer hurricanes than usual -Global Warming.

If glaciers are shrinking - Global Warming.

If glaciers are expanding -Global Warming.

Record heat -Global Warming.

Record cold -Global Warming.

Floods - Global Warming.

Drought - Global Warming.

Thick tree rings - Global Warming.

Thin tree rings - Global Warming.

If the infallible IPCC Weather Indicator is missing, some climate scientist must have deleted it.

Global Warming, Climate Change, Climate Instability = Greenhoax Effect.

Y2Kyoto: Climate Instability Just Around The Corner

I picked up on something said during a television interview at Copenhagen last week, and both my gut and my search engine tell me the language of the UN's great socialist money-sucking scheme is evolving once again.

Just as "global warming" was pushed into an inconveniently cold and bitter night, "climate change" may be readying its last will and testament.

"Climate change" was always a weak substitute for "global warming", because it was always so easy to rebut. As even the experts were forced to concede, the climate is always changing and has since long before man discovered spark plugs.

This new terminology is more clever, for it neatly avoids the shortcomings of its clumsy forebears. It requires neither warming, nor change. Just television.

When blizzards descend on scientists and world leaders from Copenhagen to East Anglia to Washington, they warmists can now claim ownership.

When hurricane forecasts fall short of the mark, the propagandists can cite their very failure to support their scheme.

Warm winters, cold winters, more hurricanes, fewer hurricanes, growing ice caps, melting ice caps - directions won't matter. Every "new" temperature record, every seasonal flood, every California hot spell, every dusting of snow in the south of France - in other words, local weather, reported globally, will return full force as evidence of anthropogenic climate crime, as it did in a simpler time when the ice conditions of a canal in Ottawa led to nationwide panic.

So, get ready to welcome the new talking point on the block: "climate instability".

Welcome tin-foil-hat wearer! We have however moved on even though the politicians in Copenhagen have not.

Just a small pointer though...do not confuse what the actual scientist are saying with what the media are putting out there every day. As surprising as this may come to you put these are not the same things.

A warm, fuzzy and conspiracy-free Christmas to you as well then.

8)

[grezzzy_greer]

This makes very good reading, and should help clarify some of the "points" raised by the skeptics.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

There are those who will never understand the science simply because they need to make it into a political fight instead of looking at the problem simply as what it is: a threat to the global environment.

Global Climate Change is a potentially extremely destructive event - we are actually measuring and seeing a warming trend.

No-one is making it up - it is not being measured only be the Americans, or only by scientists supporting the left, or the right, or the middle or any other political stance - it is a fact and it is really happening.

We don't care what political colour you are - and neither will the long term effects of this climate change - this affects all of us.

In an earlier thread on this subject I said "I give up"...well...in retrospect, that was the wrong thing to say - it was too "global"...too sweeping... I should have said that I give up arguing with people who refuse to read and understand the science simply because of a politically blinkered view they are holding...

One particular poster in this forum has exceeded all expectations when it comes to stupidity based on politics - that person knows who I mean....

[English_Bob]

One particular poster in this forum has exceeded all expectations when it comes to stupidity based on politics - that person knows who I mean....

You should be careful making personal insults - if that poster does know who you mean, and is the kind of person to take it seriously, you never know what he (or she) might do or say.

...do you know this person or his/her politics?

[eagle]

One particular poster in this forum has exceeded all expectations when it comes to stupidity based on politics - that person knows who I mean....

You should be careful making personal insults - if that poster does know who you mean, and is the kind of person to take it seriously, you never know what he (or she) might do or say.

...do you know this person or his/her politics?

not you , I think he referring to someone else and his politics are obvious

hint..

EXTERMINATE LIBERALISM

Merry Christmas.

quote from the santa 'ass'assin

[English_Bob]

Oh... :oops:

I never thought it could be me.

[eagle]

Oh... :oops:

I never thought it could be me.

I don't agree with your assessment of the data but I do agree with you on the fear mongering. Scientific data is often payed for and manipulated but mans effects on the environment are obvious, pollution I mean. I'm concerned with the ocean and food and water more then global warming.

[English_Bob]

Oh... :oops:

I never thought it could be me.

I don't agree with your assessment of the data but I do agree with you on the fear mongering. Scientific data is often payed for and manipulated but mans effects on the environment are obvious, pollution I mean. I'm concerned with the ocean and food and water more then global warming.

Wow... common ground.

It really is the season of good will to all men!

:cheers:

[eagle]

Oh... :oops:

I never thought it could be me.

I don't agree with your assessment of the data but I do agree with you on the fear mongering. Scientific data is often payed for and manipulated but mans effects on the environment are obvious, pollution I mean. I'm concerned with the ocean and food and water more then global warming.

Wow... common ground.

It really is the season of good will to all men!

:cheers:

men :shock: nawwww there causing all the problems why Einstien had the right idea but then ooops :oops: I mean Merry Christmas Xmas mas mas

[warren]

If there are more hurricanes than usual - Global Warming.

If there are fewer hurricanes than usual -Global Warming.

If glaciers are shrinking - Global Warming.

If glaciers are expanding -Global Warming.

Record heat -Global Warming.

Record cold -Global Warming.

Floods - Global Warming.

Drought - Global Warming.

Thick tree rings - Global Warming.

Thin tree rings - Global Warming.

If the infallible IPCC Weather Indicator is missing, some climate scientist must have deleted it.

Global Warming, Climate Change, Climate Instability = Greenhoax Effect.

Y2Kyoto: Climate Instability Just Around The Corner

I picked up on something said during a television interview at Copenhagen last week, and both my gut and my search engine tell me the language of the UN's great socialist money-sucking scheme is evolving once again.

Just as "global warming" was pushed into an inconveniently cold and bitter night, "climate change" may be readying its last will and testament.

"Climate change" was always a weak substitute for "global warming", because it was always so easy to rebut. As even the experts were forced to concede, the climate is always changing and has since long before man discovered spark plugs.

This new terminology is more clever, for it neatly avoids the shortcomings of its clumsy forebears. It requires neither warming, nor change. Just television.

When blizzards descend on scientists and world leaders from Copenhagen to East Anglia to Washington, they warmists can now claim ownership.

When hurricane forecasts fall short of the mark, the propagandists can cite their very failure to support their scheme.

Warm winters, cold winters, more hurricanes, fewer hurricanes, growing ice caps, melting ice caps - directions won't matter. Every "new" temperature record, every seasonal flood, every California hot spell, every dusting of snow in the south of France - in other words, local weather, reported globally, will return full force as evidence of anthropogenic climate crime, as it did in a simpler time when the ice conditions of a canal in Ottawa led to nationwide panic.

So, get ready to welcome the new talking point on the block: "climate instability".

Welcome tin-foil-hat wearer! We have however moved on even though the politicians in Copenhagen have not.

Just a small pointer though...do not confuse what the actual scientist are saying with what the media are putting out there every day. As surprising as this may come to you put these are not the same things.

A warm, fuzzy and conspiracy-free Christmas to you as well then.

8)

you must talking about actual scientists like the IPCC chief warm-monger Rajendra K. Pachauri. Oh wait a minute, he's a railroad engineer.

I will have a nice Christmas thank you very much but it won't be warm.

It;s freezing here, must be climate instability.

Merry Christmas