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racist abuse.
Next time you have a hip hop video on with a bunch of black people dancing, turn off the sound and just watch them.

Pretty hilarious also.

Minstrel show all the way.

How were the minstrel shows racist?

Mel Watkins

Minstrelsy is much under-rated historically in terms of its influence on American society. [Consider] the stereotype of Uncle Tom, for instance, the black man who is without backbone and who is really the white man's black man. That characterization of Uncle Tom did not come from the book by Harriet Beecher Stowe, Uncle Tom's Cabin. It came from the images portrayed in minstrelsy. In the book Uncle Tom was relatively intelligent, although not educated, and an example of Christian morality, in one sense. On stage in the minstrel show he became the shuffling toady. He became the sniveling black man who was really a coward and was ignorant and somewhat comical in his connection to the slave masters. So that image came totally from minstrelsy, and if we could go down the line and point out other ways in which those images pervaded the society at that time, those were the images, that was the sense of what black people were like. I think it becomes much clearer when one looks at black minstrelsy again because when black minstrels started to take to the stage, they were advertised as the real thing. In fact, one group was called "The Real Nigs." And this was -- they were advertised as "Come to the theatre and get a real look into what plantation life was like." So this was not advertised as a stage show. It was advertised as a peephole view of what black people were really like. To that extent, it affected all of society because those people who didn't know blacks, and there were many places where there were very few blacks, assumed that those characterizations, those depictions, those foolish characters on stage, were real black people. And so it had an immense effect on the way mainstream society thought about blacks.

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Hip hop videos have been described as "modern minstrel shows" by Stanley Crouch, a columnist for the New York Daily News.

Stanley Crouch is black.

If you find that description offensive, you can email him at [email protected]

And just about every racial group took a beating in the thread you plucked that quote from. But if you're so upset, feel free to file a complaint with Admin.

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Hip hop videos have been described as "modern minstrel shows" by Stanley Crouch, a columnist for the New York Daily News.

Stanley Crouch is black.

If you find that description offensive, you can email him at [email protected]

And just about every racial group took a beating in the thread you plucked that quote from. But if you're so upset, feel free to file a complaint with Admin.

The Author of the article is black, Mel Watkins:

Author Spotlight

Mel Watkins, a former editor and writer for The New York Times Book Review, is the author of Dancing with Strangers, a Literary Guild Selection, and of the highly acclaimed On the Real Side: A History of African American Comedy. He lives in New York City.

Just because Stanley Crouch makes that description, does that automatically etch it in stone as not being racist?

Comments such as yours coming from a WHITE MAN are blatantly racist, attempting to use Crouch as some kind of justification for YOUR words is feeble.

It is widely accepted historical FACT that minstrelism had a negative effect on the African American population, portraying them as stupid, ignorant people, this is racism. I see you as an aging bigot who will attempt any trick in the book to justify your behaviour.

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Loburt,

You could have acknowledged your comment (Aside with many others) was out of line and that, as we all expect, it was misunderstood. Besides your justification is a complete non-sense as with a bit of searching you would find people to support any idea on earth.

I disagree with Djamdphil as I am sure you are not too old to see your own mistakes. :roll:

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I agree that hip hop videos can look silly, if you dont know where they are coming from. But when a black person such as Stanley Crouch disses them, I believe he is trying to improve the situation of his people. Bill Cosby has said similar comments recently. But when a white person quotes them, I dont think it is the same thing. Just because I spank my child, doesnt mean you can spank my child.

I am not calling anyone a racist, and I dont have a problem with anyone.

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Well Laurence,

If my comment in that thread was out line, then so were most of the others, as you've noted. Yet none of the others were pulled out and posted here.

But djandphil obviously has an agenda, seeing as the brother of one of them was recently banned permanently from the website by Admin.

So once again, djandphil, feel free to file a complaint with Admin if you like. Just make to tell him who you really are.

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Well Laurence,

If my comment in that thread was out line, then so were most of the others, as you've noted. Yet none of the others were pulled out and posted here.

But djandphil obviously has an agenda, seeing as the brother of one of them was recently banned permanently from the website by Admin.

So once again, djandphil, feel free to file a complaint with Admin if you like. Just make to tell him who you really are.

I am really Phil, not dj.

If you have some problem with Craig go to him about it and don't try to use him as a deflection for your bigotry, you are wrong sometimes you know?

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