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"In 1995 The Economist projected that by 2020 Thailand would be the world?s eighth-largest economy. Its forecast, which now looks a tad, shall we say, optimistic, followed a 10-year run in which Thailand muscled out even China as the world?s fastest-growing economy, expanding at a blistering 8.4 per cent a year. Those were the days.

The decade after the Asian financial crisis, which began with the devaluation of the baht and ended with the 2006 coup that ousted Thaksin Shinawatra, the former prime minister, has not been so kind. Although the country bounced back from the 1997 devaluation, when it carelessly misplaced 15 per cent of gross domestic product in 18 months, the economy never recovered its former vigour. It has bumbled along at a respectable, but less than socially transformative, 4-5 per cent a year. This year its economy is likely to shrink by some 5 per cent. In that, admittedly, it is not alone.

Yet it is fair to ask why Thailand has failed to fulfil its potential. Once mentioned, at least by the excitable, in the same breath as high-tech Taiwan, it is now more likely to be grouped with the high-maintenance Philippines. Far from closing in on the world?s eighth-biggest economy ? a slot currently occupied by Spain, with an output nearly six times that of Thailand ? it languishes in 33rd place. In per capita terms it plods in at an even more pedestrian 78th, with an income of $3,851, far below Taiwan?s $17,000 although above the likes of Indonesia at about $2,000.

Adding to its woes ? or arguably helping to explain them ? Thailand is stuck in a seemingly intractable political crisis. Long a country of coup and counter-coup, for years it nevertheless managed to maintain something approaching political stability. Now it is caught in a trap in which a previously disenfranchised rural poor wants a say in a political system still dominated by the Bangkok elite not yet prepared to allow the ?barbarians? through the gate. The stand-off has undermined the already shaky confidence of foreign and domestic investors.

This month, Thailand showcased its political chaos for flummoxed regional leaders attending the Association of South-east Asian Nations summit. The gathering was cancelled and the likes of Wen Jiabao, China?s premier, had to be evacuated after the conference facilities were stormed by a brightly coloured mob of Mr Thaksin?s supporters. In subsequent clashes on the streets of Bangkok at least two people were killed. A car carrying Abhisit Vejjajiva, the third prime minister since democracy nominally returned in 2007, came under attack after he declared a state of emergency. There are, Mr Abhisit said with admirable understatement in a Financial Times interview last week, ?some major challenges we have to face up to?.

One of the reasons Thailand has failed to flourish as once predicted is that its growth was built on weaker foundations than supposed. What was in the 1950s an economy based on US patronage, and exports of rice and tapioca, developed into one fuelled by Japanese capital looking for a home after the revaluation of the yen in the mid-1980s. Japanese companies poured in money, building an industrial base, especially in car manufacturing, that remains central to whatever economic success the country still enjoys.

In the 1980s and early 1990s, local entrepreneurs clambered aboard, funded by a powerful local banking system and oiled by age-old connections. The political situation was always chaotic; there have been 18 coup attempts since the end of absolute monarchy in 1932, 11 of them successful. But for much of the time, according to Supavud Saicheua, an economist at Phatra Securities, the country maintained an uneasy equilibrium between monarchy, military, aristocracy and bureaucracy.

Thailand produced few truly world-class companies. It remained, by and large, a rentier economy, funded by foreign capital and driven by foreign expertise. At the time, of course, that was all the rage. In 1991, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund held their annual meetings in Thailand, a testimony to its openness and liberal reform. That went to Thailand?s head. In 1993 it went the whole hog, liberalising its capital account and setting in train the disastrous over-borrowing in foreign currency that ended with the 1997 crash.

The crisis led to what Pasuk Phongpaichit and Chris Baker call in their book Thailand?s Boom and Bust a ?decapitation of Thailand?s [foreign-currency indebted] capitalist class?. The country has never recovered from the mass beheading. Today, bank lending to business languishes at two-thirds of 1990s levels. The economy has become more dependent on foreign demand, a liability in a world of frightened consumers. Trade accounts for 150 per cent of GDP, against 80 per cent before 1997.

The destruction of Thailand?s entrepreneurial class helped pave the way for Mr Thaksin, one of the few capitalist survivors of the crisis. He converted his wealth, which came courtesy of a telephone monopoly, into political capital, riding into office with the votes of a newly empowered rural poor.

Mr Thaksin?s election and subsequent conduct proved too much for a Bangkok elite that had not previously seen fit to share power. Its displeasure was finally vented in the coup of 2006, an attempt to roll the country back to a prelapsarian land of smiles. But there is no going back. Unfortunately, it is not yet clear how Thailand can move forward either."

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Actually both the FT and economist didnt do their basic economics home work. If you look at how Thailand was financing its growth, it was obviously clear that historic growth rates were unsustainable.

Take a look at this chart.

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Yeah I know it is not brilliant but in the left hand column it shows Thailands external debt in US$ and in the right hand column it shows Thailand's GDP. This isnt total debt because it doesnt show the internal banking system.

Between 1980 and 1990 GDP increased nearly 3 fold from UD$32bn to US$86bn an increase of over US$50bn. Foreign debt increased but that is natural for an emerging economy but it only increased US$20bn. Most of the growth was being fueled internally and by both productivity gains and excellent demographics.

Now look at the picture from 1990 to 1995. GDP grew by US$80bn but it was fueled almost entirely by a US$72bn increase in foreign debt. This is not the stuff of economic miracles. It is pretty easy to grow an economy if you simply borrow one hell of a lot of money and spend it. It is clear that the economic growth was only achieved by a massive increase of borrowings from abroad.

This sort of growth cannot go on forever. You can increase your own spending by borrowing much more than you are earning but at some point someone is going to stop lending to you and ask for their money back and when that happens growth collapses. By 2000 GDP was US$122bn and debt was below US$80bn.

This will hopefully serve as a lesson to the US which has been doing exactly this for years. When the economy deleverages it will be many years until it gets back to the growth rates it enjoyed before.

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IN the US they knew what they were doing. They had been deregulating for years to give them more room to play. I don't think it was an accident but one of the largest Bank jobs ever pulled off. I just wish we still had the rat pack to star in the movie. Dean Martin ,Frank and Sammy. Call it Pillaged or something. Doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you borrow "play" money you are in for a downfall sooner or later. What really sucks is that the people RESPONSIBLE made money and still are. :shock:

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You are right Eagle, the lesson that will be learned from the US debt crisis is that the world was very stupid to lend money to the country that controls the printing press.

To quote Ben Bernanke '"The U.S. government has a technology, called a printing press, that allows it to produce as many dollars as it wishes at essentially no cost."

Thailands total debt to GDP (inc baht) was 165% in 1997 compared to over 300% for the US currently.

Now compare the US approach to solving their debt crisis...

1. Fiscal deficit of over 12% of GDP

2. Interests reduced to 0%

3. Print dollars (Quantative easing)

Note all aimed at reducing the impact of overdebtness on those with too much debt and minimizing the pain on the US economy.

To the IMF's useful running of the Thai economy in 1997

1. Fiscal surplus of 1% of GDP see IMF LOI

2. Interests rates of 15-20% see IMF LOI

3. Blanket guarantee on all US dollar loans made to the financial system

Note all aimed at repaying external banks US loans at the cost of the people in the Thai economy.

Now the effect of US policy will be to see that a combination of inflation (negative real interest rates) and a US dollar devaluation will mean that the real return that countries like China (and Thailand) get on their lending to the US is eroded away to the benefit of the US - which will amount to the biggest sovereign default in global history.

(Incidentally nobody need point out that the tight fiscal and monetary imposed by the IMF didnt even make sense from their goal of restoring financial stability - it simply made an inevitable GDP contraction even worse - which is inherently counterproductive.)

Given everything Thailand recovered remarkably quickly but with a devalued currency and a collapse in domestic demand (and imports) the current a/c went from a 8% deficit of GDP to a 10% surplus generating massive forex. In other words it exported it way out of trouble.

The US will not have this luxury because a) it doesnt export much relative to GDP and B) this time the recession global so demand for exports has fallen. Their key problem is that consumer debt is running at over 100% of GDP while the margin propensity of the consumer has average 108% in the last 8 years (a negative savings rate). Private consumption makes up 70% of GDP. Thailand's MPC is about 30% still its problem is that it had a corporate sector that had almost unlimited demand for debt.

At the moment the US governments program is to replace falling investment and weak consumption by a huge fiscal deficit (15x Thailands GDP) but that is really only transfer debt from the consumer to the government and ultimately back to the consumer (who will have to repay Gov debt).

According to Wikipedia average debt per US household is US$2.2m which assuming a 5% interest rate could at no time be paid back even if the household chose not to eat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_total_cumulative_debt_per_person.

If you were the Chinese with a trillion of USTs earning you nothing or even the Thai Government with over US$50bn, you must be feeling rather foolish.

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(Wasn't sure where to put this but it is highly relevent to the first article and the thread title seems provocative enough for the subject matter.)

Fairly well written social analysis in Sundays Spectrum by the relatively young, non-academic social & political commentator Khun Voranai on a topic which many have dicussed numerous times on TF.

What are your thoughts? Good insights foreboding doom and gloom for the country or it is yet another self reflective cry for a radical change in how some things are done in Thailand?

That which nourishes Thailand may destroy Thailand:

The Thai culture has a wonderful side we should never discard by Voranai Vanijaka, 06/09/2009 BKK Post

Recently I was invited to give a speech at a university. The students were at masters degree level and in their twenties, which means these were some of the brighter minds of the Kingdom. I asked them who the governor of Bangkok is. After a moment of stunned silence, one student started to say Ap ... Apir .. Apirak. Another quickly pitched in Apirak Kosayodhin! Everyone nodded in agreement.

Doing my best impersonation of Sidney Poitier in To Sir, with Love, with one hand on my hip, I bit my lips, shook my head, waved my index finger and said ''No''. Another student then blurted out: ''It's a Mom [meaning a Royal title] some Mom, Mom, Mom ..." But we still didn't get anywhere, so I revealed the answer, which I don't feel I need to type in this column.

On a different occasion, but also quite recently, I did an interview with a professor of economics from a prestigious university. We were discussing a government stimulus programme. Throughout our interview, the professor became quite heated and agitated, red in the face, and even refused to look at me at times. What did I do to agitate him? It's because I asked him questions _ questions that were contrary to his beliefs; questions that made him stumble and become lost for words; questions that questioned his authority. I even asked nicely, though confidently. He expressed more than once his utter disbelief that I actually disagreed with him and questioned him.

On the one hand, we have students who don't know things because it's not in the Thai culture to ask questions. (But if you don't ask questions, how will you learn anything?) On the other hand, we have a teacher who doesn't like to be asked questions because it's not in the Thai culture to be questioned, especially by a junior, someone younger. (But if no one questions you, how will you know if you're right about anything? There's a fine line between being correct and being delusional, isn't there?)

Asking ''what's your name?'' or ''how do you do?'' is one thing. But when you question information, tradition, opinion and belief, it is a form of confrontation. In our culture, many deem this rude, aggressive and inappropriate.

I had another interview with a different professor, also quite recently. The topic was Thai-style management. The professor made a point about greng jai as one of the main issues in the Thai workplace. People don't ask, don't question and don't confront. To do so would be considered rude, aggressive and inappropriate. Which means, in the Thai workplace, because of our culture, we don't speak the truth to each other _ too afraid to say it; too sensitive to hear it. It's just not nice _ unless you're the big boss, of course.

Consequently, Thai businesses _ not all, but too many _ don't evolve and compete very well. Which in the big picture may explain why Singapore, the country that many Thais view as our major economic rival, was ranked fourth in the world by the World Economic Forum's Global Competitive index, while Thailand ranks 34th. We may have once been rivals, but not any more _ 34 minus four is 30, we're not even close. Malaysia ranks 21st.

Bear with me.

Christopher Marlowe was a 16th century English playwright who died senselessly and young. Many say not only was he a better writer than his contemporary, William Shakespeare, but Marlowe also gave Shakespeare a few story ideas. Marlowe has a famous quote that is worshipped by angst-ridden young adults who fancy themselves as tragic-romantics. In many cases, they even tattoo the quote on their bodies.

The quote is simply a poetic expression of a very simple fact of life: That which nourishes me also destroys me. Which basically means, there's good and bad in everything. For example, love may lift you up to the glorious heaven where vanilla is the colour of the sky, but it may also drag you down to the deepest and darkest pit of Dante's inferno. Such is life _ it nourishes you, it destroys you.

Like all else in life, Thai culture too has positive and negative consequences. Those tourist brochures don't lie, they just don't tell the entire story. Yes, barring some colourful incidences, we generally are a nice, peaceful and friendly people _ greng jai _ these are very good things that we should always value. But the other side of the story is this. To keep up the niceties, we often end up lying to ourselves and each other, because we hate to confront each other with the truth. Because at the end of the day as an organisation _ whether it's society, school, business or country _ we don't really get anywhere. We stroll leisurely while others race past us and we are left to wonder, why such a bountiful and seemingly fortunate country like Thailand has so many poor, so much suffering, so many grave injustices and is so slow to progress. While strolling leisurely, we even manage to trip over things and fall down, because we don't even bother to look where we're going.

We as a people are not worldly and informed, because we're not taught to think and ask, rather we're taught to obey. We as a people are afraid to think and ask, because in doing so there's a danger of confrontation, of being rude, aggressive and inappropriate.

Since we've gotten into the habit of not questioning, then naturally our brains have not had the practice of forming thoughts and opinions in order to pose questions. Since we're lacking in thoughts and opinions, we're easily susceptible to manipulation, exploitation and downright brainwashing. Because we're conditioned to being manipulated, exploited and brainwashed, we become very good at obeying the status quo, the powers that be. Since we are very good at obeying, we become used to it, so we rarely ever question anything, and hence we are neither worldly nor informed.

From students who do not know because they don't ask to teachers who don't like questions because they demand obedience. At the end of the day, this is the society we end up with; one that is very slow to progress.

Back to the university where I gave the speech. It took a touch of charm and a dab of persuasiveness to prevent the talk from becoming entirely a one-sided affair with me on the podium and them, wide-eyed and silent. But wouldn't you know it, with enough encouragement and effort, eventually they started to discuss, posed questions and voiced opinions. Approaching the end of the talk, some even asked questions out of their own curiosities, without needing to be urged, with no fear and no qualms. Which goes to show, Thai students aren't deaf, dumb and blind, they just lack the opportunities to speak up for themselves.

There's the good, there's the bad, and that's just a fact of life; Thai culture has a wonderful side we should never discard. The question is, how do we bring balance to the forces of nourishment and destruction?

http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/23346/that-which-nourishes-thailand-may-destroy-thailand - read some of the insightful comments.

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Very interesting discussion;

While I was in Japan for the initial 3 months of the 97 crisis;II have read little of its continuing impact (my own fault) or any discussion of its impact on the Thai economy. While some discussion of the political moves might make the papers - background on Thai culture and mind-sets is only a sound bite-if that.

Thanks for the insights. Hope to follow similiar discussions.

Dan

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Very interesting discussion;

While I was in Japan for the initial 3 months of the 97 crisis;II have read little of its continuing impact (my own fault) or any discussion of its impact on the Thai economy. While some discussion of the political moves might make the papers - background on Thai culture and mind-sets is only a sound bite-if that.

Thanks for the insights. Hope to follow similiar discussions.

Dan

Welcome...and good point to bring up.

Part of the reason is that Thai culture has the people focusing on the good, rarely if ever focusing on the bad. This is where a lot of people have a love/hate relationship with Thai culture (Thais included).

We love the mai pben rai (nevermind, whatever) attitude at times, and then turn around and hate how they disregard fundamental flaws in systems large and small.

This attitude comes from Buddhism, and I love it more than I hate it. Still, the parts that I hate really fucking piss me off some days.

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(Wasn't sure where to put this but it is highly relevent to the first article and the thread title seems provocative enough for the subject matter.)

Fairly well written social analysis in Sundays Spectrum by the relatively young, non-academic social & political commentator Khun Voranai on a topic which many have dicussed numerous times on TF.

What are your thoughts? Good insights foreboding doom and gloom for the country or it is yet another self reflective cry for a radical change in how some things are done in Thailand?

Thanks for sharing this interesting article.

It actually brings home some of the issues my brother complained about while teaching at a private school in Samut Prakon. He was very upset that students were not encouraged to 'think'. Only to memorize. And trying new tactics for learning was quickly discouraged. This concern even applied to his wife's MBA level classes.

He also tried to explain to me that you don't really have discussions with people who are above you. It is hard to present a countering argument.

I don't think I will truly understand the Thai social and business structure until I live in the country, but it does sound limiting in some ways.

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You are right Eagle, the lesson that will be learned from the US debt crisis is that the world was very stupid to lend money to the country that controls the printing press.

To quote Ben Bernanke '"The U.S. government has a technology, called a printing press, that allows it to produce as many dollars as it wishes at essentially no cost."

Thailands total debt to GDP (inc baht) was 165% in 1997 compared to over 300% for the US currently.

Now compare the US approach to solving their debt crisis...

1. Fiscal deficit of over 12% of GDP

2. Interests reduced to 0%

3. Print dollars (Quantative easing)

Note all aimed at reducing the impact of overdebtness on those with too much debt and minimizing the pain on the US economy.

To the IMF's useful running of the Thai economy in 1997

1. Fiscal surplus of 1% of GDP see IMF LOI

2. Interests rates of 15-20% see IMF LOI

3. Blanket guarantee on all US dollar loans made to the financial system

Note all aimed at repaying external banks US loans at the cost of the people in the Thai economy.

Now the effect of US policy will be to see that a combination of inflation (negative real interest rates) and a US dollar devaluation will mean that the real return that countries like China (and Thailand) get on their lending to the US is eroded away to the benefit of the US - which will amount to the biggest sovereign default in global history.

(Incidentally nobody need point out that the tight fiscal and monetary imposed by the IMF didnt even make sense from their goal of restoring financial stability - it simply made an inevitable GDP contraction even worse - which is inherently counterproductive.)

Given everything Thailand recovered remarkably quickly but with a devalued currency and a collapse in domestic demand (and imports) the current a/c went from a 8% deficit of GDP to a 10% surplus generating massive forex. In other words it exported it way out of trouble.

The US will not have this luxury because a) it doesnt export much relative to GDP and B) this time the recession global so demand for exports has fallen. Their key problem is that consumer debt is running at over 100% of GDP while the margin propensity of the consumer has average 108% in the last 8 years (a negative savings rate). Private consumption makes up 70% of GDP. Thailand's MPC is about 30% still its problem is that it had a corporate sector that had almost unlimited demand for debt.

At the moment the US governments program is to replace falling investment and weak consumption by a huge fiscal deficit (15x Thailands GDP) but that is really only transfer debt from the consumer to the government and ultimately back to the consumer (who will have to repay Gov debt).

According to Wikipedia average debt per US household is US$2.2m which assuming a 5% interest rate could at no time be paid back even if the household chose not to eat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_total_cumulative_debt_per_person.

If you were the Chinese with a trillion of USTs earning you nothing or even the Thai Government with over US$50bn, you must be feeling rather foolish.

That is why Gold is over $1000 USD now.

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(Wasn't sure where to put this but it is highly relevent to the first article and the thread title seems provocative enough for the subject matter.)

Fairly well written social analysis in Sundays Spectrum by the relatively young, non-academic social & political commentator Khun Voranai on a topic which many have dicussed numerous times on TF.

What are your thoughts? Good insights foreboding doom and gloom for the country or it is yet another self reflective cry for a radical change in how some things are done in Thailand?

Thanks for sharing this interesting article.

It actually brings home some of the issues my brother complained about while teaching at a private school in Samut Prakon. He was very upset that students were not encouraged to 'think'. Only to memorize. And trying new tactics for learning was quickly discouraged. This concern even applied to his wife's MBA level classes.

He also tried to explain to me that you don't really have discussions with people who are above you. It is hard to present a countering argument.

I don't think I will truly understand the Thai social and business structure until I live in the country, but it does sound limiting in some ways.

Right, until you learn to question your elders and authority you're going to remain part of a system that's exploited (elite, government, cops, whatever).

If you want your mojo removed go to a Thai school. Notice how the elite send their kids abroad for education!!

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Why Thomas Friedman Wants China-Style Authoritarianism In The US

Joe Weisenthal| Sep. 11, 2009, 9:41 AM|25

Yesterday we asked, with tongue in cheek, why people were freaking out over Thomas Friedman's wet kiss to the authoritarian rulers of China?

The more we think about it, though, we'd guess that Friedman really wishes we had that system over here.

What clicked was reading a recent quote from Bentley professor Scott Sumner, who recently wrote:

My hunch is that consciously or subconsciously, the urban residents of China are not thrilled by the idea of a pure democracy that would effectively turn the country over to the rural poor. 

But wait a few decades, when China goes from being 60%-70% rural, to 60%-70% urban, and from mostly poor to mostly middle-income, and from mostly undereducated to mostly educated.

This is probably true. You saw the same phenomenon in Thailand, where urban residents supported a coup against a leader whose interests were seen as too aligned with rural Thailand.

Now think back to what Thomas Friedman said, and how that applies here (USA)

It is not an accident that China is committed to overtaking us in electric cars, solar power, energy efficiency, batteries, nuclear power and wind power.

China?s leaders understand that in a world of exploding populations and rising emerging-market middle classes, demand for clean power and energy efficiency is going to soar. Beijing wants to make sure that it owns that industry and is ordering the policies to do that, including boosting gasoline prices, from the top down.

Basically, he's saying: urban, modern thinkers 'get it.' Rural, backwards types don't. If he were talking about the US, that would mean: City-dwelling Democrats get it. Republicans don't. Without pesky Republicans coming out of the corn and into DC, we could pass all these wonderful green measures that enlightened thinkers like Friedman have been banging the drum about for years.

Unfortunately, we have democracy in the USA.

Thailand:

Amataya (aristocracy): The word refers to the elite clique or ruling class, ranging from privy councillors, high-ranking government officials and military brass to business tycoons. The Democrat Party is accused of serving the interests of the amataya, who are opposed to deposed premier Thaksin Shinawatra.

Should the Amataya, the yellow shirts, and Democratic party run the Thailand government, until the rural farmers become more educated and enlightened?

Should the Thai Amataya adopt a government more like Singapore and China in the interest of Green Energy and the environment?

The Obama Fascism-let the smart technocrats run things, i.e. Google and Steve Jobs, they know what's for best for us, right?

??????

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I read this in the morning and proceeded to laugh, cry and then bash my head against a wall in the condo.

Everyone complains about traffic in BKK. The easiest, most efficient & cost effective solution is to build numerous mass transit lines (metro/subway/BTS/BRT) intergrated into a wider transport system. Mass transit is a winner all round bringing transport, health, social and environmental benefits.

For the last 5 years since network plans (12 lines) were finalised, there have been major delays in getting contracts signed and lines built - people accept this is the way here,plus corruption hand is always looking for a feed. Delays were due to political struggles & changes of govt., part inter agency struggles and part bureaucratic dysfunction.

The 2,2km Silom line ext for example, was originally due to open Dec 04 but due to politics and poor project management by the BMA is only opened a few months ago. Now we find that the On Nut to Bearing ext will be delayed until mid 2011 as some old BMA civil servant did not tender and procure the signalling/electrical systems as s/he was scared something may go wrong just before his/her retirement! And no senior BMA manager seemingly checked what was going on. :evil:

Most people know that in general terms the Thai public service is hardly a model of efficency and accountability but this story really does deserve its own Yes Minister episode. :roll:

Skytrain link tests delayed Writer: SUPOJ WANCHAROEN 19/09/2009 Bkk Post

Testing on the BTS Sukhumvit line extension will probably be pushed back until late 2011 due to delays in the procurement of signalling and electrical systems, says deputy Bangkok governor Teerachon Manomaipibul.

Procurement should have taken place nine months ago if the original December 2010 deadline for the test run was to be met. But purchasing of the operating systems for the 5km extension from Onnuj to Soi Baring, or Sukhumvit Soi 107, has not been approved yet, said Mr Teerachon, who is responsible for mass transit projects.

The senior City Hall official responsible for making the purchase has apparently stalled the scheme over fears of being investigated if something went wrong with the purchase, he said. The official in question is due to retire and does not want to take risks despite being told the scheme is strictly in line with regulations, said Mr Teerachon.

Former city clerk Khunying Nathanon Thavisin was accused of irregularities over the purchase of fire trucks and boats by the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration. City Hall retroactively fired her from the post this week.

Mr Teerachon said he cannot be sure the test run can take place by mid-2011 as the consulting and bidding process normally takes about seven months.Construction of the superstructure and stations by contractor Italian-Thai Development Plc is about 95% complete.

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Interesting topic and conversation.

The world is heading green and I wish the US would beat them to it. Alas, it is somewhat correct that the rural folks aren't educated enough or thoughtful enough to think that far ahead.

I don't believe in global warming as a fact. I think it's a farce as much as the global cooling/coming Ice Age scare of the 70s. But as I see it, the benefits of alternative energy far outweigh being stuck on stupid with petroleum enslavement. Especially solar and wind power. It seems like common sense to me. Especially now that it is cheaper to produce and getting cheaper.

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