Dealing with racists

[Karnie]

i just don't get it WHY some FARANG don't like to be called FARANG even though this FARANG word is not rude nor racist at all. yes, of course, surely, definitely, absolutely, first and foremost, i did read most of earlier comment except ones that too darn long and i can't be bother with long comment but going nowhere.

i even told some of my FARANG men friends including my ex-boss why we, thais, call them FARANG and they see it in funny way so this bullshit thought of we are racist just because we call white people as FARANG is...... whatever.

bye for now all FARANG here and there.

Hello Karnie, even though farang may not be rude or racist, I still think its derogative. We know already that we are not part of 'the club', there is no extra specific word needed.

The political correct word for us, which already perfectly exists in thai language in an equally short format, is 'human with different nationality'. Why don't you make use of this expression (its just one syllable more)?

Hello Mr.FARANG who has ID screen name as Andy_bkk,

Quote "Why don't you make use of this expression (its just one syllable more)?" Unquote - Do you know how to google, don't you? Then use it - FARANG word has been using century ago.

I think the word that white people call black people as ***** is more rude and racist because they have intention with no respect BUT our FARANG word has no bad intention (even some of Thais saying it with grinning, laugh or even evil smile but each depends on each situation) and with equal respect .... just the word to call white people is all.

Wish you all FARANG take good care of yourself in our country who LIKE to call you all white men as FARANG!

[iBatch]

Farang = Foreigner (not for asian?)

Same as wot we call Foreigner (White/Back/Red/Blue/Green/Rainbow) here Barang.

No hidden meaning.

[Phred]

It appears to me the word "farang" is the same as "pakeha" in New Zealand; neither racist or derogatory.

Anyway, call me what you like; just don't call me late for dinner.

[iBatch]

It appears to me the word "farang" is the same as "pakeha" in New Zealand; neither racist or derogatory.

Anyway, call me what you like; just don't call me late for dinner.

C'mon kitty, get back to kitchen... and finish cooking that chicken.

[Phred]

It appears to me the word "farang" is the same as "pakeha" in New Zealand; neither racist or derogatory.

Anyway, call me what you like; just don't call me late for dinner.

C'mon kitty, get back to kitchen... and finish cooking that chicken.

And don't forget to put the wine inthe cooler

[Stramash]

What's round and racist?

The world

[Dave40]

What's round and racist?

The world

Glad to see your education didn't go to waste!!!

[Teddy]

What's round and racist?

The world

Space hogging Biatch!! :wink:

[Stramash]

What's round and racist?

The world

Glad to see your education didn't go to waste!!!

I thunk i wood mak a simpl bt valed pointe jst too show i hadd lernnned sumthng.

:wink:

[DANNO]

That is the problem though. They are being very polite not trying to offend, but haven't you introduced your farang friend, or don't they really know the philipinos names? That is where the unintended rudeness comes in. To those foreigners it looks like they don't even care enough to remember their names, and that is rude. I know they mean no wrong, but they are doing wrong without even knowing, and to the foreigner it looks like they really don't care to know their name. That is racism. Even though it isn't intended, it is.

This is one big point of "Culture different" too.

Direct experience, this might help you to understand Thais more.

When i talked on the phone with my friends in Thailand.

My bf asked me. "Who are you talking too?"

I said, "My friend in Bangkok" or "My university friend" etc...

My bf pissed off one time and he said to me. "Dont they have f*cking names?!!!"

And I didnt realise that, that bothered him,, LOL

I didnt mention their names to my bf because he never met her and if I say "It's Apple"

he would ask me more.. "Which Apple?, Is that one in Bkk or the university friend? so on."

And instead of explain the whole things, i just say "My university friend"

There is nothing to do with being "racist" or "rude" in this case, is it?

In this case how you explain it, it is a case of being lazy....lolol. You don't want to take the time to explain to your BF who your friend is. Is he interested? From how you explained it, yes he is, and you only have to explain once to him who it is, then it is much less words to use in the future to let him know who it was you were talking to. Just because he has never met her doesn't mean you can't let him know who she is.

He is your BF, and interested in your life. Is it rude to not take the time to explain who your friend from the university is? Learning culture when you are in a relationship with a foreigner works both ways. He has let you know that to him it is rude not to use a persons name. Do you not care about his feelings? The way you explain it, it sounds like you don't, because it is too much work. Yes, that is rude, and has nothing to do with culture.

I might be wrong

but I bet SBI is making more allowances to Swedes and their cultural habits than they are taking her's in to consideration....I am sure the strong BF/GF relationship can handle a little "shorthand" in conversations, don't you KB?

[Teddy]

I don't get offended by the term Farang, I prefer that to someone referring to me as "round eye"

ref: from an old JCVD film, cant remember which one though.

But in answer to Bills initial problem, I wouldn't worry about calling him out on his racism as long as you don't laugh along, add to it or agree with it all will be fine.

p.s. Bill, was very disappointed about the event being cancelled, I had my snorkel packed and everything. lol.

[admin]

I don't get offended by the term Farang, I prefer that to someone referring to me as "round eye"

ref: from an old JCVD film, cant remember which one though.

But in answer to Bills initial problem, I wouldn't worry about calling him out on his racism as long as you don't laugh along, add to it or agree with it all will be fine.

p.s. Bill, was very disappointed about the event being cancelled, I had my snorkel packed and everything. lol.

Yeah, the guy does get on my nerves but there's no easy way to avoid having to interact with him. It does get old real fast though.

I was ready to bring my scuba gear too but they didn't have any rentals for others coming so I thought it better to reschedule for a day that wasn't so crappy :-)

[English_Bob]

How do you deal with racism against yourself? When faced with dual pricing, do you pay or do you go?

I usually try to get the local price by speaking Thai and flashing some ID. But it still irks me that the decision is made based on my appearance.

I once went to a waterfall with 3 Asians - none of them Thai. I paid full price and they paid the local price - but I was the only Thai-speaking, non-tourist in the group!

A recent letter in Bangkok Post told how a devout Western Buddist was not permitted to pray in the main temple as it was reserved for Thais only. Which means the Lord Buddha himself would be barred for being Indian.

[Crustyjuggler]

How do you deal with racism against yourself? When faced with dual pricing, do you pay or do you go?

I usually try to get the local price by speaking Thai and flashing some ID. But it still irks me that the decision is made based on my appearance.

I once went to a waterfall with 3 Asians - none of them Thai. I paid full price and they paid the local price - but I was the only Thai-speaking, non-tourist in the group!

A recent letter in Bangkok Post told how a devout Western Buddist was not permitted to pray in the main temple as it was reserved for Thais only. Which means the Lord Buddha himself would be barred for being Indian.

We just have to wait for the day when good Thais get sick to the teeth of Bad Thais because this behaviour only reflects poorly for the nation as a whole.

A good number of Thais think we look down on them but when tourists are subjected to this kind of discrimination/racism as our first encounter with Thai people how can we think any different?

I wonder when Thais visit my country, have they ever been subjected to price anomalies based on their appearance? I asked my landlord and his wife, both Thais, both young (actually they met each other while studying for degrees in my country). They had no experience but that might be due to a more tolerant area of mixed cultures. Obviously there would be no double standards at tourist locations because that would be against an ENFORCED LAW

[admin]

We just have to wait for the day when good Thais get sick to the teeth of Bad Thais because this behaviour only reflects poorly for the nation as a whole.

Will this be before of after they close down Cowboy, Patpong, Nana, Ratchada, and all of the other places where prostitution is openly offered?

[Crustyjuggler]

We just have to wait for the day when good Thais get sick to the teeth of Bad Thais because this behaviour only reflects poorly for the nation as a whole.

Will this be before of after they close down Cowboy, Patpong, Nana, Ratchada, and all of the other places where prostitution is openly offered?

Not sure about those areas for dual pricing.. i think cost is based on weight/kilos/smell, not nationality.

[English_Bob]

Not sure about those areas for dual pricing.. i think cost is based on weight/kilos/smell, not nationality.

Actually, surprisingly, not true.

I always assumed the same until I worked in the bar areas with bargirls. I never found a single case of working girls having a 'sliding scale'. The price was the price regardless of the appearance of the guy.

The only variance was for people who knew how to bargain - the girls had a starting price and a last price and would negotiate between those parameters.

[Karnie]

To be honest, this is one of many points that I am not proud of in regards to dual pricing. I used to work in travel industry before so I saw, went, hear and faced. It got me every time what/how should I answer to customers (tourist) the reason why did they have to pay different price to exactly same place as Thais, yet, more expensive...

[koolbreez]

That is the problem though. They are being very polite not trying to offend, but haven't you introduced your farang friend, or don't they really know the philipinos names? That is where the unintended rudeness comes in. To those foreigners it looks like they don't even care enough to remember their names, and that is rude. I know they mean no wrong, but they are doing wrong without even knowing, and to the foreigner it looks like they really don't care to know their name. That is racism. Even though it isn't intended, it is.

This is one big point of "Culture different" too.

Direct experience, this might help you to understand Thais more.

When i talked on the phone with my friends in Thailand.

My bf asked me. "Who are you talking too?"

I said, "My friend in Bangkok" or "My university friend" etc...

My bf pissed off one time and he said to me. "Dont they have f*cking names?!!!"

And I didnt realise that, that bothered him,, LOL

I didnt mention their names to my bf because he never met her and if I say "It's Apple"

he would ask me more.. "Which Apple?, Is that one in Bkk or the university friend? so on."

And instead of explain the whole things, i just say "My university friend"

There is nothing to do with being "racist" or "rude" in this case, is it?

In this case how you explain it, it is a case of being lazy....lolol. You don't want to take the time to explain to your BF who your friend is. Is he interested? From how you explained it, yes he is, and you only have to explain once to him who it is, then it is much less words to use in the future to let him know who it was you were talking to. Just because he has never met her doesn't mean you can't let him know who she is.

He is your BF, and interested in your life. Is it rude to not take the time to explain who your friend from the university is? Learning culture when you are in a relationship with a foreigner works both ways. He has let you know that to him it is rude not to use a persons name. Do you not care about his feelings? The way you explain it, it sounds like you don't, because it is too much work. Yes, that is rude, and has nothing to do with culture.

I might be wrong

but I bet SBI is making more allowances to Swedes and their cultural habits than they are taking her's in to consideration....I am sure the strong BF/GF relationship can handle a little "shorthand" in conversations, don't you KB?

When the "shorthand" reaches a point where the BF finally gets tired of it and expresses his feeling with, " My bf pissed off one time and he said to me. "Dont they have f*cking names?!!!" ", it might be questionable how strong it is.

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Just as farang has been used for many many years to describe white foreigners, with no distinction as to what Continent they are from, as has been pointed out by quite a few of the Thais in this discussion as an excuse to keep using it, I remember a term that was used by my parents, their parents, and parents before them, going back hundeds of years, to describe all South East Asian people. It was not considered derogatory, or rude, by all the White people that used the term on all Continents the world over. But now because we found that quite a few South East Asian people thought is was rude, and racist, just as quite a few foreigners feel the same way about the word farang, most White people have quit using it, and consider it a racist term.

Just because the word farang has been used for hundreds of years is not an excuse making it right to use if most foreigners don't like to be refered to as farang. If that is the case, then all White people should go back to using the term that was used for hundreds of years to describe all South East Asian people, with no concern for how they feel about it, because we felt there was nothing wrong with the word at all.

I doubt it will ever happen though because Thailand as a whole has no problem with being discriminitory, and racist, even to their own people, let along foreigners.

[SoBeIt]

When the "shorthand" reaches a point where the BF finally gets tired of it and expresses his feeling with, " My bf pissed off one time and he said to me. "Dont they have f*cking names?!!!" ", it might be questionable how strong it is.

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Did I mention that my bf is rude and he is just a skumbag? Never mind...

[Karnie]

That is the problem though. They are being very polite not trying to offend, but haven't you introduced your farang friend, or don't they really know the philipinos names? That is where the unintended rudeness comes in. To those foreigners it looks like they don't even care enough to remember their names, and that is rude. I know they mean no wrong, but they are doing wrong without even knowing, and to the foreigner it looks like they really don't care to know their name. That is racism. Even though it isn't intended, it is.

This is one big point of "Culture different" too.

Direct experience, this might help you to understand Thais more.

When i talked on the phone with my friends in Thailand.

My bf asked me. "Who are you talking too?"

I said, "My friend in Bangkok" or "My university friend" etc...

My bf pissed off one time and he said to me. "Dont they have f*cking names?!!!"

And I didnt realise that, that bothered him,, LOL

I didnt mention their names to my bf because he never met her and if I say "It's Apple"

he would ask me more.. "Which Apple?, Is that one in Bkk or the university friend? so on."

And instead of explain the whole things, i just say "My university friend"

There is nothing to do with being "racist" or "rude" in this case, is it?

In this case how you explain it, it is a case of being lazy....lolol. You don't want to take the time to explain to your BF who your friend is. Is he interested? From how you explained it, yes he is, and you only have to explain once to him who it is, then it is much less words to use in the future to let him know who it was you were talking to. Just because he has never met her doesn't mean you can't let him know who she is.

He is your BF, and interested in your life. Is it rude to not take the time to explain who your friend from the university is? Learning culture when you are in a relationship with a foreigner works both ways. He has let you know that to him it is rude not to use a persons name. Do you not care about his feelings? The way you explain it, it sounds like you don't, because it is too much work. Yes, that is rude, and has nothing to do with culture.

I might be wrong

but I bet SBI is making more allowances to Swedes and their cultural habits than they are taking her's in to consideration....I am sure the strong BF/GF relationship can handle a little "shorthand" in conversations, don't you KB?

When the "shorthand" reaches a point where the BF finally gets tired of it and expresses his feeling with, " My bf pissed off one time and he said to me. "Dont they have f*cking names?!!!" ", it might be questionable how strong it is.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Just as farang has been used for many many years to describe white foreigners, with no distinction as to what Continent they are from, as has been pointed out by quite a few of the Thais in this discussion as an excuse to keep using it, I remember a term that was used by my parents, their parents, and parents before them, going back hundeds of years, to describe all South East Asian people. It was not considered derogatory, or rude, by all the White people that used the term on all Continents the world over. But now because we found that quite a few South East Asian people thought is was rude, and racist, just as quite a few foreigners feel the same way about the word farang, most White people have quit using it, and consider it a racist term.

Just because the word farang has been used for hundreds of years is not an excuse making it right to use if most foreigners don't like to be refered to as farang. If that is the case, then all White people should go back to using the term that was used for hundreds of years to describe all South East Asian people, with no concern for how they feel about it, because we felt there was nothing wrong with the word at all.

I doubt it will ever happen though because Thailand as a whole has no problem with being discriminitory, and racist, even to their own people, let along foreigners.

so what? I just can't wait to hear that you fall for wrong Thai woman who ripped you off till you had to create thread here as to bitching about it.....no offense!

[SoBeIt]

Just as farang has been used for many many years to describe white foreigners, with no distinction as to what Continent they are from, as has been pointed out by quite a few of the Thais in this discussion as an excuse to keep using it, I remember a term that was used by my parents, their parents, and parents before them, going back hundeds of years, to describe all South East Asian people. It was not considered derogatory, or rude, by all the White people that used the term on all Continents the world over. But now because we found that quite a few South East Asian people thought is was rude, and racist, just as quite a few foreigners feel the same way about the word farang, most White people have quit using it, and consider it a racist term.

Just because the word farang has been used for hundreds of years is not an excuse making it right to use if most foreigners don't like to be refered to as farang. If that is the case, then all White people should go back to using the term that was used for hundreds of years to describe all South East Asian people, with no concern for how they feel about it, because we felt there was nothing wrong with the word at all.

I doubt it will ever happen though because Thailand as a whole has no problem with being discriminitory, and racist, even to their own people, let along foreigners.

Ok, we (Thais in the discussion) just make the excuse,

and "Farang is a racist word".

We wish you FARANG have a nice weekend!

With love.

- One of Mia - Farang

[SoBeIt]

so what? I just can't wait to hear that you fall for wrong Thai woman who ripped you off till you had to create thread here as to bitching about it.....no offense!

Karnie, Come on..

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...

It's just that his is stupid.

Ps, KB - Don’t let you mind wander – it’s far too small to be let out on its own.

[koolbreez]

so what? I just can't wait to hear that you fall for wrong Thai woman who ripped you off till you had to create thread here as to bitching about it.....no offense!

Have some more drinks. Then you might start making some kind of sense again.....huh. No offence, but what the h*ll are you talking about now?

[admin]

We just have to wait for the day when good Thais get sick to the teeth of Bad Thais because this behaviour only reflects poorly for the nation as a whole.

Will this be before of after they close down Cowboy, Patpong, Nana, Ratchada, and all of the other places where prostitution is openly offered?

My point didn't really have to do with dual pricing so much as there are plenty of things Thai people probably have good reason to be pissed off about because it reflects poorly on the nation as a whole but nothing seems to happen/change. I highly doubt correcting the dual pricing system is at the top of the list.

What I was referencing is the often heard complaint about people thinking all Thai women are bar girls. They should be good and pissed off about that but I don't see any bars closing anytime soon.