Abortion

[SoBeIt]

I know it's a heavy topic (for me anyway).

Conditions,

- You are 26 (Farang) , she is 24 (Thai)

- You are not rich farang, still need to work to pay the bills.

- She loves you so much, you LIKE her but not LOVE her.

- You make her pregnant (accidentally) and the baby is yours.

- The choice of the abortion is up to YOU (she will do whatever you choose)

Will you tell her to do an abortion, YES or NO?

[YankeeKid]

I know you want a yes or no answer, but I will dodge that one a bit.

I believe the question is not whether you love her, but whether you will love the child.

I work at a legal clinic where we help do the paperwork for people who are willing to take in the lost children - children whose parents wouldn't or couldn't (often because of drugs) take care of the children. It is not a pleasant situation for the kids.

So if I wanted to devote the next 20 years of my life to raising the child, then I would ask her to have the baby. But if not, I would ask her to either abort or give the baby away at birth, depending on my personal beliefs.

[FrancoisP]

To grow, a child needs both father and mother love, in stable couple... If since the beginning love is only one way, couple future is not good...

If philosophy or religious belief and personnal feelings allow abortion, if the health conditions are ok, i think this is the best solution. So can wait to meet the riht double way love to make the desired (by both parents) baby...

This is enough difficult to educate a child up to well balanced adult. If there is a parents fail since the beginning, there is a great risk the child will reproduce similar problems...

But in these matters, no rules... Just feelings.

[Unny]

awww, difficult answer ;(

My bf said abortion is evil,,, I agree, but we re not in that situation, so we may not know how hard to make up their mind to do abortion or not do ;(

and if they re here in Thailand, as u know abortion is illegal here,

and its really risk for the girl to do abortion,,, ¹èÒ¡ÅÑÇ ÃèÃ

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---Difficult answer still...

But if that happen to me, Im gonna keep the baby

[CiaranM]

I know it's a heavy topic (for me anyway).

Conditions,

- You are 26 (Farang) , she is 24 (Thai)

- You are not rich farang, still need to work to pay the bills.

- She loves you so much, you LIKE her but not LOVE her.

- You make her pregnant (accidentally) and the baby is yours.

- The choice of the abortion is up to YOU (she will do whatever you choose)

Will you tell her to do an abortion, YES or NO?

not enough information to make a YES or NO decision !!!

to have an abortion is a massive decision especially for the woman and the couple need to discuss it carefully and think long and hard about their future and the implications for themselves and the (possible) baby.

[English_Bob]

Yes

[PeeMarc]

yep.

[SoBeIt]

What i dont understand really is, why the heck not using the protection!

But that is beside the point,..

Yes it is difficult question and as I am a woman it is such a huge issue.

If I were that girl, I'll keep the baby, no doubt. Im not gonna give a flying **** what he said to be honest.

.....

If I look just the fact that .. "It's life" that actually "there" already.

Having the existence in the world inside me, there are 2 hearts beating inside my body.

How the **** Im going to just pretend like it's raining..

I remember reading the news a year ago.

Abortion is legal in Norway, and many couples go there to do the abortion because..

They want their baby in the different sex..

(like they want a baby girl, but she is pregnant baby boy, so they do the abortion to get the baby girl instaed)

:shock: :? Oh, FFS.. What kind of the world we live in..!! :roll:

[PeeMarc]

What i dont understand really is, why the heck not using the protection!

But that is beside the point,..

Yes it is difficult question and as I am a woman it is such a huge issue.

If I were that girl, I'll keep the baby, no doubt. Im not gonna give a flying f*ck what he said to be honest.

.....

If I look just the fact that .. "It's life" that actually "there" already.

Having the existence in the world inside me, there are 2 hearts beating inside my body.

How the f*ck Im going to just pretend like it's raining..

I remember reading the news a year ago.

Abortion is legal in Norway, and many couples go there to do the abortion because..

They want their baby in the different sex..

(like they want a baby girl, but she is pregnant baby boy, so they do the abortion to get the baby girl instaed)

:shock: :? Oh, FFS.. What kind of the world we live in..!! :roll:

Let me get this straight....

you seem to think it the GUYS responsibility alone to use protection?

If you become pregnant knowing full well no protection was used YOU are 50% responsible for that outcome, since you must have known no protection was being used and there would be risk.

I dont believe you have the moral right to be 100% of the choice of what to do with the pregnancy. Surely you must at least try to discuss this with the guy who is also 50% responsible for the outcome.

[PeeMarc]

I know it's a heavy topic (for me anyway).

Conditions,

- You are 26 (Farang) , she is 24 (Thai)

- You are not rich farang, still need to work to pay the bills.

- She loves you so much, you LIKE her but not LOVE her.

- You make her pregnant (accidentally) and the baby is yours.

- The choice of the abortion is up to YOU (she will do whatever you choose)

Will you tell her to do an abortion, YES or NO?

The choice is NOT the guys. Its is a 50% decision for each to try to make together.

[SoBeIt]

Let me get this straight....

you seem to think it the GUYS responsibility alone to use protection?

If you become pregnant knowing full well no protection was used YOU are 50% responsible for that outcome, since you must have known no protection was being used and there would be risk.

I dont believe you have the moral right to be 100% of the choice of what to do with the pregnancy. Surely you must at least try to discuss this with the guy who is also 50% responsible for the outcome.

About protection issue, I meant BOTH of them.

I might not write it clear enough. sorry about that.

Irresponsible would be the right word for this situation, I guess.

About making the decision, of course both need to discuss about it.

I just refer myself If I were that girl, (as she loves him, so she will do what he wants)

And i dont think that is right, BOTH should go through this together.

And if he says.. No I will keep the baby anyway.. that is what im trying to say.

[CiaranM]

If I look just the fact that .. "It's life" that actually "there" already.

Having the existence in the world inside me, there are 2 hearts beating inside my body.

How the f*ck Im going to just pretend like it's raining..

actually there isn't 2 hearts beating inside for quite a while after conception !! just a clump of replicating cells !!!

[CiaranM]

Let me get this straight....

you seem to think it the GUYS responsibility alone to use protection?

If you become pregnant knowing full well no protection was used YOU are 50% responsible for that outcome, since you must have known no protection was being used and there would be risk.

I dont believe you have the moral right to be 100% of the choice of what to do with the pregnancy. Surely you must at least try to discuss this with the guy who is also 50% responsible for the outcome.

About protection issue, I meant BOTH of them.

I might not write it clear enough. sorry about that.

Irresponsible would be the right word for this situation, I guess.

About making the decision, of course both need to discuss about it.

I just refer myself If I were that girl, (as she loves him, so she will do what he wants)

And i dont think that is right, BOTH should go through this together.

And if he says.. No I will keep the baby anyway.. that is what im trying to say.

as i've said above the issue needs to be discussed by both parties .... but the final decision will be the womans !!!!

[yamahacrasher]

If I was the guy; Yes.

To take care of a kid, one has to be able to take care of himself first.

[beej]

Think it also depends on how far gone it is, only a few weeks then maybe.

Only a few years ago i would have shouted hell yeah, scoop it out with a spoon, these days I'm more like yeah just ******* have it, it'll be amazing and you'll get by, and the little fucker will be an amazing gift.

[Admin_2]

Yes, as long as she was on board with the idea as well.

[iBatch]

in sum serious circumstance that involve the mother live, yes.

But 90%, No.

Use this ladies.

http://www.ipillwoman.piramal.com/main.htm

[Guest Lollipop]

I know it's a heavy topic (for me anyway).

Conditions,

- You are 26 (Farang) , she is 24 (Thai)

- You are not rich farang, still need to work to pay the bills.

- She loves you so much, you LIKE her but not LOVE her.

- You make her pregnant (accidentally) and the baby is yours.

- The choice of the abortion is up to YOU (she will do whatever you choose)

Will you tell her to do an abortion, YES or NO?

nope, i will never tell any lady to do that. the baby is a human. How can a father of a child asks the mother to go and kill their baby.

they both had fun *******.

they both are adult.

wonder how she let this thing happens.

never notice what's going on with her physical ?

[Guest Lollipop]

poor baby can't even say or move, you 'll be killed.

so sad for people who answer yes and agree.

I wish you guys who say yes for abortion were that baby.

[Andy_bkk]

If you've ever seen a 4 weeks old unborn in ultrasound and notice a very tiny spot there actively pumping on its own (regardless of its wealth or health status), then you'll only come to one conclusion:

Abortion is murder of life. Plain and simple.

Except this, 2 other things:

1. No conception happens accidentally, it happens because of an ACTION.

2. There is no easy way out in life. Each of our actions trigger reactions. We must deal with the consequences of our actions.

(i explicitly exclude forced conceptions from above, which may be seen as separate topic)

[PJack]

I know it's a heavy topic (for me anyway).

Conditions,

- You are 26 (Farang) , she is 24 (Thai)

- You are not rich farang, still need to work to pay the bills.

- She loves you so much, you LIKE her but not LOVE her.

- You make her pregnant (accidentally) and the baby is yours.

- The choice of the abortion is up to YOU (she will do whatever you choose)

Will you tell her to do an abortion, YES or NO?

not enough information to make a YES or NO decision !!!

to have an abortion is a massive decision especially for the woman and the couple need to discuss it carefully and think long and hard about their future and the implications for themselves and the (possible) baby.

just curious...

what would be enough information?

me thinks...

I would not tell her to do anything. but i would say that I did not want to raise a child together and therefore prefer to have an abortion. but in the end it is the woman's choice. therein lies the issue: would you TELL someone to do something or ask them or converse with them to reach an agreement

[CiaranM]

I know it's a heavy topic (for me anyway).

Conditions,

- You are 26 (Farang) , she is 24 (Thai)

- You are not rich farang, still need to work to pay the bills.

- She loves you so much, you LIKE her but not LOVE her.

- You make her pregnant (accidentally) and the baby is yours.

- The choice of the abortion is up to YOU (she will do whatever you choose)

Will you tell her to do an abortion, YES or NO?

not enough information to make a YES or NO decision !!!

to have an abortion is a massive decision especially for the woman and the couple need to discuss it carefully and think long and hard about their future and the implications for themselves and the (possible) baby.

just curious...

what would be enough information?

well for starters .... does the girl want the baby ? r either of them substance abusers ? r they mentally mature enough to raise a child ? r they financially capable of supporting themselves and a baby ??

it may not be enough information .... but it would help when making a decision as important as this !!!

me thinks...

I would not tell her to do anything. but i would say that I did not want to raise a child together and therefore prefer to have an abortion. but in the end it is the woman's choice. therein lies the issue: would you TELL someone to do something or ask them or converse with them to reach an agreement

i wouldn't TELL her what to do ... but if in this situation would try to discuss rationally what we should do .... but as u say in the end the final decision will have to be the woman's !!!

[koolbreez]

I have a friend that made that decision when she was in college. She used the excuse that it would ruin her life plans to have the child then, and she could handle the consequences of her decision to have the abortion. She talked it over with her BF, and the doctor before hand. For her though, she was wrong, and has regretted her decision all her life.

She has been living with the guilt from having the abortion for 32 years. Because of her upbringing she has never been able to tell her mother, or her husband. For her the memory of her decision never goes away, and she can't talk about her feelings with those closest to her.

She lives with the knowledge that she voluntarily killed her child. She is living with the guilt that her own selfishness was more important than a human life, and there is nothing she can do to make up for it. That is how she now views her decision about having the abortion.

Others don't have the same outcome, and can live with having an abortion, but for her, every single day she deals with knowing that her selfishness killed her child. She can't seem to forget, or let it pass.

She does have 2 other kids, but it still bothers her drastically that she should have 3. She has been in councelling on 4 different occasions over the years that I know of, but it hasn't helped her overcome her guilt.

[CiaranM]

If you've ever seen a 4 weeks old unborn in ultrasound and notice a very tiny spot there actively pumping on its own (regardless of its wealth or health status), then you'll only come to one conclusion:

Abortion is murder of life. Plain and simple.

that is ur opinion NOT a f**king fact !!! a 4 week unborn is a clump of cells with no heart, no spinal cord, no brain and no nervous system !!!!

Except this, 2 other things:

1. No conception happens accidentally, it happens because of an ACTION.

2. There is no easy way out in life. Each of our actions trigger reactions. We must deal with the consequences of our actions.

(i explicitly exclude forced conceptions from above, which may be seen as separate topic)

ehhhhhhh .... do u understand the meaning of accident ?? off course there r accidental conceptions !!!! and as well as forced conceptions there r tricked conceptions !!!

however, yes we must deal with the consequences of our actions as we see fit !!!

[SoBeIt]

actually there isn't 2 hearts beating inside for quite a while after conception !! just a clump of replicating cells !!!

Come on Ciaran, you know what I mean. It's life!

Is the unborn human less than human?

French geneticist Jermoe L. LeJeune dude said once,

"To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion. The human nature of the human being from conception to old age is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence"

There is hence no doubt that the development of a unique individual human life begins at conception. It is vital that you—the reader—understand that...

You did not come from a zygote.

You once were a zygote.

You did not come from an embryo.

You once were an embryo.

You did not come from a fetus.

You once were a fetus.

You did not come from an adolescent.

You once were an adolescent.

No matter how hard one try to twist it, it still "killing a life"