Closing Suvanabhumi Airport b/c of PAD

[Dr_Mike]

Slag!!!???

Trollop I'll have you mind!!!

you wish - dirty, minging, std ridden slag I say...

now begone with you...

You guys need to teach me some of these words, ASAP. I could use a few unspoken phrases to adjust character of certain staff.

Cheers guys.

[zeusbheld]

not going to dig up the link, but if you look at Bangkok Pundit's website, if his translation of Thai law is correct, then seizing the airports is a terrorist act by law.

[Stramash]

Slag!!!???

Trollop I'll have you mind!!!

you wish - dirty, minging, std ridden slag I say...

now begone with you...

You guys need to teach me some of these words, ASAP. I could use a few unspoken phrases to adjust character of certain staff.

Cheers guys.

minging - Brutal / Really ugly.

She's well ****ing ming-ing

1. smelly

2. ugly

3. drunk, (usu. used in relating last night's events)

4. generally distasteful, Someone who is minging is also a minger,

std ridden - eh, one who has a proliferation of sexually transmitted diseases

slag -

1. An individual who cares not for relationships beyond the realm of the sexual, these people sleep with many partners not caring about anything save for the moment of climax.

2. a woman who has her legs so wide apart she makes the channel tunnel look insignficant

[Dr_Mike]

Now there's some useful information. Added to my list of things to do tomorrow.

Thanks sincerely.

:-)

[kate55]

Slag!!!???

Trollop I'll have you mind!!!

you wish - dirty, minging, std ridden slag I say...

I've never been student ridden in my life I'll have you know.

Chance would be a fine thing.

And where the eff's admin?

I should have been banned by now.

[Stramash]

Slag!!!???

Trollop I'll have you mind!!!

you wish - dirty, minging, std ridden slag I say...

I've never been student ridden in my life I'll have you know.

Chance would be a fine thing.

And where the eff's admin?

I should have been banned by now.

think he got some new midget porn today, so he will be in front of tv with a smile on his face...

[alvish]

I don't see PAD as terrorists. If they invaded the airport with guns blazing yes but it doesn't appear from what I read that PAD had violent intentions just political intentions. Students in the US took over college buildings to affect change in colleges in the US back in the 60s and 70s In todays new age of terror they would be called terrorists also which seems just a way to get support and credibility to your opposition to the takeover.

ter?ror?ism

n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons

In a way I supported the PAD because I agree with their stance on the Thai Govt but obviously don?t think the airport siege was a wise idea. But how else would they have achieved what they did? I do think the PAD ?won? by stopping major Executive decisions being pushed through Govt re the People?s Constitution and also forced a quickened decision by the Constitutional Court to rid of the PPP etc... I also believe the PAD were encouraged / supported by higher i.e. military and possibly monarch. Looking at most of the PAD?s demands they are fair / true and could give Thailand a stable Government in the future. Their demands have been supported by GO?s, NGO?s, military and so on... so not giving too many kudo?s to PAD... but they could have been a major part of a revolution for Thailand...

As far as Thaksin?s era goes... it is gone... all he does is whine (from hotel rooms...) along with his brain dead supporters and sad to see it a few TFer?s (I thought they were meant to be educated?) I remember someone posting about Thaksin arriving in Ko Kong Cambodia (when he was in Qatar) and Somchai etc manoeuvring around Udon Thani (he went to temple)... just before the court?s decision... at this time I was very tempted to post that ?Thaksin had arrived at Chiang Mai airport was escorted by UDD militants and there was a lot of activity at the Laos border?... just to see how many dumb ***** fall for the scaremongering .

For bets on Abhisit... when Somchai was PM people were guessing at months... I would give Abhisit 10+ years ...I don?t know much about the guy (other than being a brit ) but having support from the majority (democrats, small parties and even Peau Thai members) it gives me hope that he is credible and possibly capable?.. can you see a coup ever taking him down... all that can ever beat him is the next election (when is this likely to happen?? 4 years??) anyway if he can please the upcountry folk in these 4 years, which the democrats are happy to do (democrats started many Thaksin policies), then this is very possible. Do you think the UDD will strike?? Half Thaksin?s troops are away back home to feed their family. If they were going to kick up a stink it was when Abhisit was pledged to office when they were in BKK in force... nope

Whether it was legal, whether the economy has been beat-up, whether PAD are conts, whether you believe the bullshit from ?allseasonsman?(think it was him) etc. this doesn?t matter now. Looking at the present situation... there is great hope for Thailand and the Thai Govt and it is best to support it (or ignore it) rather than spout **** and scaremonger...

[dannyboy]

s of t

To change the definition of a term

What you all fail to grasp is the fact that the occupation of the airport was simply to stop DannyBoy from coming back over here.

Hoorah!

(What do you mean, quoted out of context?)

I resemble that remark..O bugger, I really do this time... :shock:

How are you mate?

[allseasonsman]

I don't see PAD as terrorists. If they invaded the airport with guns blazing yes but it doesn't appear from what I read that PAD had violent intentions just political intentions. Students in the US took over college buildings to affect change in colleges in the US back in the 60s and 70s In todays new age of terror they would be called terrorists also which seems just a way to get support and credibility to your opposition to the takeover.

ter?ror?ism

n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons

In a way I supported the PAD because I agree with their stance on the Thai Govt but obviously don?t think the airport siege was a wise idea. But how else would they have achieved what they did? I do think the PAD ?won? by stopping major Executive decisions being pushed through Govt re the People?s Constitution and also forced a quickened decision by the Constitutional Court to rid of the PPP etc... I also believe the PAD were encouraged / supported by higher i.e. military and possibly monarch. Looking at most of the PAD?s demands they are fair / true and could give Thailand a stable Government in the future. Their demands have been supported by GO?s, NGO?s, military and so on... so not giving too many kudo?s to PAD... but they could have been a major part of a revolution for Thailand...

As far as Thaksin?s era goes... it is gone... all he does is whine (from hotel rooms...) along with his brain dead supporters and sad to see it a few TFer?s (I thought they were meant to be educated?) I remember someone posting about Thaksin arriving in Ko Kong Cambodia (when he was in Qatar) and Somchai etc manoeuvring around Udon Thani (he went to temple)... just before the court?s decision... at this time I was very tempted to post that ?Thaksin had arrived at Chiang Mai airport was escorted by UDD militants and there was a lot of activity at the Laos border?... just to see how many dumb ***** fall for the scaremongering .

For bets on Abhisit... when Somchai was PM people were guessing at months... I would give Abhisit 10+ years ...I don?t know much about the guy (other than being a brit ) but having support from the majority (democrats, small parties and even Peau Thai members) it gives me hope that he is credible and possibly capable?.. can you see a coup ever taking him down... all that can ever beat him is the next election (when is this likely to happen?? 4 years??) anyway if he can please the upcountry folk in these 4 years, which the democrats are happy to do (democrats started many Thaksin policies), then this is very possible. Do you think the UDD will strike?? Half Thaksin?s troops are away back home to feed their family. If they were going to kick up a stink it was when Abhisit was pledged to office when they were in BKK in force... nope

Whether it was legal, whether the economy has been beat-up, whether PAD are conts, whether you believe the bullshit from ?allseasonsman?(think it was him) etc. this doesn?t matter now. Looking at the present situation... there is great hope for Thailand and the Thai Govt and it is best to support it (or ignore it) rather than spout sh*t and scaremonger...

Seems like you have it all figured out then!

Oh thank goodness for that, yeah and I agree shame on those scaremongers! at least I think that is what I mean?

Thanks for a great laugh!

[Loburt]

not going to dig up the link, but if you look at Bangkok Pundit's website, if his translation of Thai law is correct, then seizing the airports is a terrorist act by law.

Bangkokpundit is certainly not an impartial source or interpreter of events. Nor does he have to be.

There is an OpEd piece that deals with this question to some degree in today's Bangkok Post written by a lawyer.

The PAD actions which might be classified as "terrorism" would have been occupying runways or the control tower, as those could imperil people's lives.

However, the airport had already been declared closed by the AOT before those actions took place. So no lives were put in jeopardy by those actions.

In my un-expert opinion, a good defense lawyer should be able to get them acquitted of a terrorism charge. The other charges are a different story.

[beej]

I felt terrorized so in my tiny book of laws its terrorism.

[zeusbheld]

Lobs: that sounds about right.

agree that BKK pundit doesn't have to be objective, either (thus the "pundit" in the name.) if i recall, it was a translation passed on by an unnamed source (thus implying the possibility of an unstated agenda) but it read like legalese and it's fairly common in other countries to have laws like that on the books (the US for example, where you can get arrested for 'terrorist acts' by filming on abandoned piers, let alone airports).

totally agree that a good defense attorney would likely get them off...

i don't know how the criminal justice system works here, but if it works more or less like in the states, then they've clearly done enough (the tower ppl at least) to go to trial and would most likely end up having to plea bargain down to a lesser charge.

[CiaranM]

I felt terrorized so in my tiny book of laws its terrorism.

i'm sure the PAD r quaking in their boots reading this !!! :twisted: :twisted:

[beej]

Terrorism has many levels, comparing the PAD acts to 9-11 or Mumbai is just a joke though.

What was done was illegal and a loss for Thailand democratically and socially, it won't change Thailand much as its always been a political cock up, and I can't see it changing in my life time happily/sadly I'm not sure if I care its really nothing to do with me.

[beej]

I felt terrorized so in my tiny book of laws its terrorism.

i'm sure the PAD r quaking in their boots reading this !!! :twisted: :twisted:

I'm sure it didn't affect you in the slightest Ciaran, the beers still flowing and the bar stool is still standing.

It put a huge dent in my business and a bigger dent in my pocket, as well as ******* me off a great deal.

Shall we have a sweep stake on the date of the next coup/party melt down?

My 100bahts on October 2010.

[CiaranM]

I felt terrorized so in my tiny book of laws its terrorism.

i'm sure the PAD r quaking in their boots reading this !!! :twisted: :twisted:

I'm sure it didn't affect you in the slightest Ciaran, the beers still flowing and the bar stool is still standing.

It put a huge dent in my business and a bigger dent in my pocket, as well as f*cking me off a great deal.

Shall we have a sweep stake on the date of the next coup/party melt down?

My 100bahts on October 2010.

it didn't affect me as much as others true, but i still think some ppl over-reacted to it !!

it may have made a dent in ur business for the short term, but i'm sure u have made enough in the past and will do so in the future to more than compensate u for ur losses. if u take the gains from doing business in a country like this (or in any country) u have to be prepared to take the losses as well !!

[Loburt]

Lobs: that sounds about right.

agree that BKK pundit doesn't have to be objective, either (thus the "pundit" in the name.) if i recall, it was a translation passed on by an unnamed source (thus implying the possibility of an unstated agenda) but it read like legalese and it's fairly common in other countries to have laws like that on the books (the US for example, where you can get arrested for 'terrorist acts' by filming on abandoned piers, let alone airports).

totally agree that a good defense attorney would likely get them off...

i don't know how the criminal justice system works here, but if it works more or less like in the states, then they've clearly done enough (the tower ppl at least) to go to trial and would most likely end up having to plea bargain down to a lesser charge.

They should stand trial.

But so should the commanders responsible for Tak Bai and Krue Sae, those responsible for firing RPGs at the PAD, the red shirts who attacked the PAD in Udon Thani and the police who stood by and did nothing, the commanders responsible for October 7, etc, the red shirts responsible for the murder of a PAD sympathizer in Chiang Mai, and the Thaksin supporters who threw chairs and bottles and former Prime Minister Chuan and Abhisit in Chiang Mai.

And none of them have.

[Neo]

They should stand trial.

But so should the commanders responsible for Tak Bai and Krue Sae, those responsible for firing RPGs at the PAD, the red shirts who attacked the PAD in Udon Thani and the police who stood by and did nothing, the commanders responsible for October 7, etc, the red shirts responsible for the murder of a PAD sympathizer in Chiang Mai, and the Thaksin supporters who threw chairs and bottles and former Prime Minister Chuan and Abhisit in Chiang Mai.

And none of them have.

Perhaps with the economic downturn no one has the spare change to pay anyone to do that ;-)

[Dr_Mike]

I felt terrorized so in my tiny book of laws its terrorism.

i'm sure the PAD r quaking in their boots reading this !!! :twisted: :twisted:

I'm sure it didn't affect you in the slightest Ciaran, the beers still flowing and the bar stool is still standing.

It put a huge dent in my business and a bigger dent in my pocket, as well as f*cking me off a great deal.

Shall we have a sweep stake on the date of the next coup/party melt down?

My 100bahts on October 2010.

I agree Chris, you are 100% correct. Same here as well, I get the full brunt of it. But at least I have a plan B. I doubt some companies will be so fortunate though. When will we see you?

[CiaranM]

I felt terrorized so in my tiny book of laws its terrorism.

i'm sure the PAD r quaking in their boots reading this !!! :twisted: :twisted:

I'm sure it didn't affect you in the slightest Ciaran, the beers still flowing and the bar stool is still standing.

It put a huge dent in my business and a bigger dent in my pocket, as well as f*cking me off a great deal.

Shall we have a sweep stake on the date of the next coup/party melt down?

My 100bahts on October 2010.

I agree Chris, you are 100% correct. Same here as well, I get the full brunt of it. But at least I have a plan B. I doubt some companies will be so fortunate though. When will we see you?

let me tell u something ... if it hadn't affected Chris personally he'd have been on here laughing at all the whingers and merchants of doom !!!!

[Dr_Mike]

I felt terrorized so in my tiny book of laws its terrorism.

i'm sure the PAD r quaking in their boots reading this !!! :twisted: :twisted:

I'm sure it didn't affect you in the slightest Ciaran, the beers still flowing and the bar stool is still standing.

It put a huge dent in my business and a bigger dent in my pocket, as well as f*cking me off a great deal.

Shall we have a sweep stake on the date of the next coup/party melt down?

My 100bahts on October 2010.

I agree Chris, you are 100% correct. Same here as well, I get the full brunt of it. But at least I have a plan B. I doubt some companies will be so fortunate though. When will we see you?

let me tell u something ... if it hadn't affected Chris personally he'd have been on here laughing at all the whingers and merchants of doom !!!!

If it didn't affect me, I would have been out there doing that too!!!

(Was I serious just now?)

Oops.... ;-) Honesty is always best policy.

[Dr_Sassy]

Honesty is such a lonely word :roll:

[beej]

I felt terrorized so in my tiny book of laws its terrorism.

i'm sure the PAD r quaking in their boots reading this !!! :twisted: :twisted:

I'm sure it didn't affect you in the slightest Ciaran, the beers still flowing and the bar stool is still standing.

It put a huge dent in my business and a bigger dent in my pocket, as well as f*cking me off a great deal.

Shall we have a sweep stake on the date of the next coup/party melt down?

My 100bahts on October 2010.

I agree Chris, you are 100% correct. Same here as well, I get the full brunt of it. But at least I have a plan B. I doubt some companies will be so fortunate though. When will we see you?

let me tell u something ... if it hadn't affected Chris personally he'd have been on here laughing at all the whingers and merchants of doom !!!!

oh for sure I would, I'd be the first one to laugh and take the piss.

This **** up cost a huge percentage of Thai's and Whitey alike, for no gain at all.

[LakeGeneve]

Lobs: that sounds about right.

agree that BKK pundit doesn't have to be objective, either (thus the "pundit" in the name.) if i recall, it was a translation passed on by an unnamed source (thus implying the possibility of an unstated agenda) but it read like legalese and it's fairly common in other countries to have laws like that on the books (the US for example, where you can get arrested for 'terrorist acts' by filming on abandoned piers, let alone airports).

totally agree that a good defense attorney would likely get them off...

i don't know how the criminal justice system works here, but if it works more or less like in the states, then they've clearly done enough (the tower ppl at least) to go to trial and would most likely end up having to plea bargain down to a lesser charge.

They should stand trial.

But so should the commanders responsible for Tak Bai and Krue Sae, those responsible for firing RPGs at the PAD, the red shirts who attacked the PAD in Udon Thani and the police who stood by and did nothing, the commanders responsible for October 7, etc, the red shirts responsible for the murder of a PAD sympathizer in Chiang Mai, and the Thaksin supporters who threw chairs and bottles and former Prime Minister Chuan and Abhisit in Chiang Mai.

And none of them have.

Zeus; I think that translation of the relevent provision of the Criminal law was posted by sunsnow about 40 pages back in this thread (Good luck to anyone wishing to find it!). However, just because the provision exists in law, it does not mean that the elements are there in fact in relation to these matters in order to prosecute or for a court to determine a finding of guilt. That is a matter for the investigators and the courts.

Two weeks ago some prominant individuals lodged criminal complaints reportedly containing allegations of terrorism by PAD leaders in relation to the airport protests. I read a few days later that PAD lawyers had lodged a counter complaint alleging that the criminal complaints were without substance. We'll see how it pans out in the courts. The new PM is clearly stating that the PAD should not be considered immune to criminal prosecution, http://216.46.180.242/news/local/135506/abhisit:-says-pad-must-face-the-music

However there also seems to be a number of criminal by police and civil proceedings by private parties which are being explored against the PAD leadership and individuals. So we have to allow the process to run its due course.

The point has been made many a time that we are yet still to see anyone charged for a whole range of overt acts of criminal conduct causing serious injury and/or death for events in the last 6 months. Yet people seem to be still primarily concerned with the airport closure.

Whether it was a DAAD man beaten to death when the DAAD attacked the PAD in ealry Sept, the police runover by a crazy PAD driver on 7 Oct, PAD people killed and maimed on 7 Oct by police, or the numerous incidents of grenade attacks against the PAD in the last 2 months, (surely the latter being acts more suitable for the term terrorism!).

8 dead and 800 odd injured was what the Nation reported 2 weeks ago! (see earlier)

Should not the criminal acts involving the loss of life or serious injury of humans be prioritised by investigators over the occupation of an important transport link? (Distinguishing the tower incident).

Loburt is completely correct in reminding us that no one has yet to be prosecuted for Tak Bai & Krue Sae, (Panlop?), and many incidents of murder and mayhem by the state are seemingling forgotton. Yet some scream for urgent criminal sanction about an airport being closed for a week due to protest. The point has been made that the wheels of justice turn very slowly in Thailand. (An eg. is a famous murder plot case against a Supreme Court judge. The case commenced in 1993 and was only finalised 2 months ago. Reportedly, over 90 judges dealth with the case!)

In relation to 7 Oct events, it seems that only one of the 3 investigations have been finalised. The NHRC publicised their investigation in the incident yeterday and the outcome seems to cast a wide net (most of Cabinet!) with these reported recommendations;

Oct 7 clash response an 'inhuman act' Bkk Post 19/12/08

Former prime minister Somchai Wongsawat, 31 of his former cabinet members and 24 police should be charged with murder over the bloody clash with protesters at Government House which left two dead and hundreds injured, a National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) investigation report has recommended.

The findings of the NHRC investigation into the tear gas incident involving People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) members were sent to the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) on Tuesday. NHRC spokesman Surasee Kosolnawin said the 116-page probe report found the firing of tear gas to disperse PAD demonstrators was an inhuman act. The report said officers involved in the operation had overreacted.

http://216.46.180.242/news/politics/8312/oct-7-clash-response-an-%27inhuman-act%27

[zeusbheld]

The point has been made many a time that we are yet still to see anyone charged for a whole range of overt acts of criminal conduct causing serious injury and/or death for events in the last 6 months. Yet people seem to be still primarily concerned with the airport closure.

there is a simple reason for that. it was a highly organized, highly disciplined, paramilitary operation that if it had happened in the united states, most likely would have met with a military response and almost certainly would have seen a lot of people (chalerm and sondhi's hypothetical US equivalents) brought up on sedition charges.

while i find this particular act of sedition didn't threaten anyone's life (just a lot of people's livelihoods), it was blatant sedition, and basically a soft coup.

violence at political rallies, even that involving gangsters with hand grenades, is not THAT surprising, even if it is a lot more serious.

Whether it was a DAAD man beaten to death when the DAAD attacked the PAD in ealry Sept, the police runover by a crazy PAD driver on 7 Oct, PAD people killed and maimed on 7 Oct by police, or the numerous incidents of grenade attacks against the PAD in the last 2 months, (surely the latter being acts more suitable for the term terrorism!).

not really.

even the most 'peaceful demonstration' involves consciously putting yourself potentially in harm's way. you are taking a knowing risk that you don't expect to be taking when booking a room at the Taj. the whole point of terrorism is terror; that's more like murder-your-opponent-ism.

8 dead and 800 odd injured was what the Nation reported 2 weeks ago! (see earlier)

which is tragic, and quite appalling. but not terrorism. They all chose to be there.

Should not the criminal acts involving the loss of life or serious injury of humans be prioritised by investigators over the occupation of an important transport link? (Distinguishing the tower incident).

depends on whether a government considers sedition to be important. this was a soft coup, (or counter-coup if one believes certain hearsay about an ex football owner) not a protest, so probably not in Thailand. rule of law is kind of irrelevant to the coup of the month club.

Loburt is completely correct in reminding us that no one has yet to be prosecuted for Tak Bai & Krue Sae, (Panlop?), and many incidents of murder and mayhem by the state are seemingling forgotton. Yet some scream for urgent criminal sanction about an airport being closed for a week due to protest.

that's misleading, i doubt anyone rational or credible is saying that the airport invaders should be a higher priority than the various acts of murder and state-sanctioned mayhem.

i think it's more a matter of being very, very skeptical that anyone will receive anything worse than a slap on the wrist for a massive, highly organized act of sedition. does anyone really believe that there will be any major consequences for the airport seizure? i sure don't.

that said, you have a point in saying that any justice that *might* be doled out will happen very, very slowly. look how long it took to bring Toxin up on charges, and it's not like what he did was even slightly secret.