Stramash Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Fifteen people have been killed after a teenage gunman went on a rampage in south-west Germany, officials say. Most of the dead are thought to have been pupils at the Albertville secondary school in Winnenden, north of Stuttgart. The gunman, a 17-year-old former pupil, is also dead, police say. The teenager, who was said to have been wearing black combat gear, was chased by police after fleeing the school into the centre of town. German Chancellor Angela Merkel is to make a statement on the shooting at 1600 (1500 GMT), a government spokesman said. Nine students, three teachers and three passers-by are thought to be among the dead. The chief reporter of the Stuttgart Journal newspaper, Kevin Latzel, told the BBC that there was a lot of confusion at the scene of the shooting. "It's very horrible... the parents are crying, the pupils are crying and a lot of police is there and nobody knows really what happened," he said. "They are very afraid, the pupils are calling their parents and the parents they want to pick [them] up but they can't do this, the parents they are not allowed to get into the classrooms," he added. The attack is reported to have begun at about 0945 (0845 GMT). The gunman "went into the school with a weapon and carried out a bloodbath", regional police chief Erwin Hetger said, the Associated Press news agency reported. "I've never seen anything like this in my life," he said. Witnesses said students jumped from the windows of the school after the gunman opened fire. About 1,000 children are thought to attend the school, in the town some 20km (12 miles) north-east of Stuttgart. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The gunman was killed in a shoot out with police...and latest reports say police found 18, yes 18 weapons at the boy's house. This is the third school shooting in Germany in the last 7 years, with previous incidents killing 11 and 17. Is Europe becoming more like the US in its attitude to guns? It seems like the shock levels are lessened every time another of these atrocities takes place. My sympathies with the parents of the victims and those injured in this attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oo.Cloud.oO Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 it does seem like that.... just wait till the start laying off all the factory workers in chicago thats when the some serious **** will hit the fan Its always a few **** ups that really ruin it for everyone wheather its schools, places of religions, or anywhere..... I say get all those assholes, put them in one big state, let them kill each other, then film it and put it on the internet. The late great George Carlin had some great influences on me. :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garlic Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 it does seem like that.... just wait till the start laying off all the factory workers in chicago thats when the some serious sh*t will hit the fan Its always a few f*ck ups that really ruin it for everyone wheather its schools, places of religions, or anywhere..... I say get all those assholes, put them in one big state, let them kill each other, then film it and put it on the internet. The late great George Carlin had some great influences on me. :twisted: carlin was fantastic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanUsa Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Too many people blame guns. Guns have been available to kids and adults in the wild west days, these things didn't happen then, so the problem is with how parents raise children or, maybe the "public" school systems of first world countries. These "school" systems are just that, systems, depersonalized factories that churn out obedient, patriotic citizens. Home schooling doesn't do this, that is why it was outlawed by the government. One teacher, 30 students??? HAHAHAHA real smart ratio, you get what you pay for. As the "schools" pump out more blithering sap heads, these same sap heads will toxically seep into government positions and then be making new laws to "fix" these problems, as if a law can fix a problem. It is getting worse, intelligence is getting to be a very scarce commodity, it would almost seem that those in real power, not elected officials, don't want smart citizens, just obedience. Remember Pol Pot, killed every person suspected of being smart to squash resistance. Same thing now, but much slower time-line to carry it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Ban all guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted March 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Ban all guns. Ban all people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Ban all guns. Ban all people? Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted March 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Ban all guns. Ban all people? Yup. Ban all forum posts calling for things to be banned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanUsa Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Many famous leaders have openly said that the easiest country to run is a country of idiots. Though I don't think that this is the way that the leading countries are running everything now, our systems are set up in an old fashioned way where the poor and "stupid" aren't given the same chances and opportunities as those who are born into more accommodating lives. No amount of teaching can make certain people smart, however you define smart, (just look at Bush Junior) but a good education (and I don't mean ANYTHING resembling what is in place now) can help almost anybody have a better life. I like the stories I heard about Greek philosophers taking their students outside to sit around in nature and have free flowing conversations where each student spoke their mind, NOT rigid, structured courses where each herd child is forced to learn what government "knows" is best for them. Every individual has talents they excel at (mine is browsing internet porn :-)) they didn't teach THAT in skool! This rigid course, cram-it-down-the-kid's-throat technique, is NOT what works. Some kids get labeled as "slow learners" or a similar label, but I would say that most of those cases are not the result of the "kid" being slow, it is the school system that is retarded. Not a single teacher in most any entire school is smart enough to recognize this. There are a few teachers that still have a brain, but they are the first to get laid off due to "budget cuts", then a more qualified (read: stupid) replacement is brought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damnam1 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 all day long there is nothing but reports on the killing which happened 70 km from my place. His father, so they say, is a member of the local shooting club and a weapon fanatic with dozends of firearms. He did not only fail in safely keeping weapons and ammunition away from each other (law says in separate locked safes) but he also seem to be a patriarch..all the stories the media want to find out about to try to explain why he did this. The 17-year old was reported to be friendly, open, good circle of friends, nothing special. Definitely education, be it in public schools and and in private is going into wrong direction - even in small villages. 17 people, 10 school kids between 14 and 15, 3 teachers and 3 bystanders were killed. Makes you speechless.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiamHotel Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 well... FEED PEOPLE $HIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiamHotel Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 and see what the $h!T you'll get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiamHotel Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 ..... !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damnam1 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Iain, in another journal on TF he insulted somebody in italian as ".... pezzo di imbecille!!" which means a dumb piece of ****..I wont sneak but this guy is literally begging for a kick in his arse. So why not render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chang Doe Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 And now you go and write down hundred times: I SHALL NOT POST WHEN BEING DRUNK I SHALL NOT POST WHEN BEING DRUNK I SHALL NOT POST WHEN BEING DRUNK I SHALL NOT POST WHEN BEING DRUNK I SHALL NOT POST WHEN BEING DRUNK ... (I dopo va' fa' un culo!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbes Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Just a bit of clarification on the guns in this case. Yes, the boys father was a member of the local gun club and owned 18 firearms (quite what for beats me but the Haeuslebauers tick differently...). He kept 17 of the guns in a safe (as the law demands) but kept one in his bedside table (Doohhh...). That is the gun his son took together with about 100 shots of ammo (which were not kept in a safe as should be either). So, he used the one gun his dad kept in a bed side table to commit this senseless killing spree. The death toll would likely to be much higher if the 2 coppers first at the scene 2 min after the alarm was raised hadn't stormed into the school building making him flee the scene leaving most of the ammo behind. Most of the victims at the school were killed by head shots and most of them were female but a police spokesperson said it's to early to draw any conclusion about the motives of the young shooter. As for Italian 'hero' SiamHotel, one only has to look at the calibre of his current PM to see what intellectual maturity one can expect from Europe's boot (my apologies Vento & Sergio). But since it's t'int'net, nothing will shock me frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraKai Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Most of the victims at the school were killed by head shots and most of them were female So, whilst Siam's post was offensive, I still think the message almost praising the guy for his good shooting was equally bad, whether it was in jest or not. Anyone who has firsthand experience of what a gun does to someone wouldn't be making jokes about this kind of crap, and I'm sure the majority of right minded people without firsthand experience of these things wouldn't either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted March 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Most of the victims at the school were killed by head shots and most of them were female So, whilst Siam's post was offensive, I still think the message almost praising the guy for his good shooting was equally bad, whether it was in jest or not. Anyone who has firsthand experience of what a gun does to someone wouldn't be making jokes about this kind of crap, and I'm sure the majority of right minded people without firsthand experience of these things wouldn't either. A very fair point and one that I think illustrates the strange way we redefine moral boundaries with time. Would there have been a lot more uproar had the comment been on yesterday's perpetrator rather than one from 7 years ago? Does the passage of time make it more acceptable for humour to be applied to an atrocity or a disaster? If so, how do we allow these boundaries to be defined? Is there an average amount of victims where if the incident is above that number humour can never be applied? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Too many people blame guns. Guns have been available to kids and adults in the wild west days, these things didn't happen then FFS ... why the f**k do u think it was called the wild west !!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stegee Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Too many people blame guns. Guns have been available to kids and adults in the wild west days, these things didn't happen then FFS ... why the f**k do u think it was called the wild west !!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: he had to be joking!! :shock: surely?? :?: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanUsa Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Too many people blame guns. Guns have been available to kids and adults in the wild west days, these things didn't happen then FFS ... why the f**k do u think it was called the wild west !!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: "these things" meaning a kid going to school and shooting up classmates. :roll: Sure, there were shootouts in the street, between adults. Back then a 16 year old could become an "adult" if his father died, he was the next family caretaker. I also think the "Kill, Gore and Score" video games have a part to play in this as well, desensitization, disconnect from reality, etc. Ban ALL video games. Except the ones I like. Ms. PacMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toma Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Too many people blame guns. Guns have been available to kids and adults in the wild west days, these things didn't happen then FFS ... why the f**k do u think it was called the wild west !!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: "these things" meaning a kid going to school and shooting up classmates. :roll: Sure, there were shootouts in the street, between adults. Back then a 16 year old could become an "adult" if his father died, he was the next family caretaker. I also think the "Kill, Gore and Score" video games have a part to play in this as well, desensitization, disconnect from reality, etc. Ban ALL video games. Except the ones I like. Ms. PacMan Sorry mate but your reasonings are really weak. Hope they'll arrest his parents and sue them into poorhouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Too many people blame guns. Guns have been available to kids and adults in the wild west days, these things didn't happen then FFS ... why the f**k do u think it was called the wild west !!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: "these things" meaning a kid going to school and shooting up classmates. :roll: Sure, there were shootouts in the street, between adults. Back then a 16 year old could become an "adult" if his father died, he was the next family caretaker. I also think the "Kill, Gore and Score" video games have a part to play in this as well, desensitization, disconnect from reality, etc. Ban ALL video games. Except the ones I like. Ms. PacMan Sorry mate but your reasonings are really weak. Hope they'll arrest his parents and sue them into poorhouse. Reasoning's are weak???? More like ******* dumb as pig ****! Ban all hand guns, semi auto, and fully automatic weapons. The only people that should be allowed arms are police, the army, farmers, pest control. The rest can **** off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Too many people blame guns. Guns have been available to kids and adults in the wild west days, these things didn't happen then FFS ... why the f**k do u think it was called the wild west !!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: "these things" meaning a kid going to school and shooting up classmates. :roll: Sure, there were shootouts in the street, between adults. Back then a 16 year old could become an "adult" if his father died, he was the next family caretaker. I also think the "Kill, Gore and Score" video games have a part to play in this as well, desensitization, disconnect from reality, etc. Ban ALL video games. Except the ones I like. Ms. PacMan Sorry mate but your reasonings are really weak. Hope they'll arrest his parents and sue them into poorhouse. Reasoning's are weak???? More like f*cking dumb as pig sh*t! Ban all hand guns, semi auto, and fully automatic weapons. The only people that should be allowed arms are police, the army, farmers, pest control. The rest can f*ck off. Seconded! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Too many people blame guns. Guns have been available to kids and adults in the wild west days, these things didn't happen then FFS ... why the f**k do u think it was called the wild west !!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: "these things" meaning a kid going to school and shooting up classmates. :roll: Sure, there were shootouts in the street, between adults. Back then a 16 year old could become an "adult" if his father died, he was the next family caretaker. I also think the "Kill, Gore and Score" video games have a part to play in this as well, desensitization, disconnect from reality, etc. Ban ALL video games. Except the ones I like. Ms. PacMan Sorry mate but your reasonings are really weak. Hope they'll arrest his parents and sue them into poorhouse. Reasoning's are weak???? More like f*cking dumb as pig sh*t! Ban all hand guns, semi auto, and fully automatic weapons. The only people that should be allowed arms are police, the army, farmers, pest control. The rest can f*ck off. yea good idea, now someone tell the bad guys to give up them guns ok :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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