Medical Truth or Fiction

[SweetieBabie]

Ever wonder whether all that medical advice you were given was true?

If you have medical beliefs you aren't sure of. Let's us investigate

This topic deserves a thread for its own. Lets do it TF Myth Buster !

[GAV]

Those that work in the Medical field are considered as "Professionals"

So why do they spend ALL their time ...................... "Practising" ???

How long does it take .............. for them to get it right ?

[Katoom]

[Admin_2]

Ever wonder whether all that medical advice you were given was true?

If you have medical beliefs you aren't sure of. Let's us investigate

This topic deserves a thread for its own. Lets do it TF Myth Buster !

Stay away from products containing high amounts of ZINC

Why ?

(Plenty of cosmetic of products have Zinc as an active ingredient, in vitamin supplements.)

If you have a headache and go to a Thai pharmacy, don't believe them that some antibiotics will cure your headache.

If you are having trouble sleeping and go to a Thai pharmacy, don't believe them that some antibiotics will make you sleep better.

etc. etc...

[English_Bob]

I love all those articles that say...

'Too much caffeine is bad for you.'

'Too much beer can affect your health adversely.'

Yeah? Of course! That's what 'Too much' means!

Too much water will kill you!

Too much exercise will kill you!

Oh one myth that gets me is 'You should drink 2 litres of water a day.' That's bullshit. You should consume 2 litres of fluids a day... but most of that comes from your food.

Just drinking an extra two litres is doing nothing for you except making you pee more.

[Oo.Cloud.oO]

im too lazy to find the links at the moment but im sure others can google n find the RIGHT info from the legit sites

things like some toothpastes, vaccines, vitamins and supplements that were told or taught to be taken have turned out to be very very bad for the health

if you are in USA at anytime, and u decide to turn on the tv or radio, you will soon see that if its not a FOOD commercial

chances are its a MEDICINE commercial

propaganda that seems to have ppl believing everything they hear in the commercial, (of course its a way to sell, but at what price "sicko")

from baby food, to pain killers, to anti depressants, to mental health issues n medications

i believe alot of children teenagers n adults are on medications THEY HAVE NOOOOOOOOOOOO business being on

and im not sayin recreational usage

i mean being offered, referred or prescribed by a ""docter""

i think most docters n ppl at these places are just doing their job n leaning more on what the think is right instead of what they KNOW is right

interesting thread, i hope some people have good story's

my mother was takin lithium and a mixture of sooooooo many pills, because her docter thought it was right

she ended up ballooning in her legs n feet

and to have surgery to remove the excess water

all from the very unhealthy dosage / mixture of medication - and well

i assure you the DOCTERS didnt pay any money for the surgery, visits, prescriptions, re-visits, re - prescriptions, gas money or time to get to n from

[Katoom]

Just live your life with a semblance of balance, prudent choices, understanding you & your body and you should be fine.

I tend to stay away from medicines as far as possible. Here in Hong Kong, you go to the doctors and you come away with at least 3 to 4 different drugs. It smacks of profiteering and phycological treatment than anything else.

I am amazed at some peoples intolerance of pain or fear of disease and don't get me started on what kind of things some folk are willing to call an ambulance for, sheesh! :roll:

[Oo.Cloud.oO]

Just live your life with a semblance of balance, prudent choices, understanding you & your body and you should be fine.

I tend to stay away from medicines as far as possible. Here in Hong Kong, you go to the doctors and you come away with at least 3 to 4 different drugs. It smacks of profiteering and phycological treatment than anything else.

I am amazed at some peoples intolerance of pain or fear of disease and don't get me started on what kind of things some folk are willing to call an ambulance for, sheesh! :roll:

agreed on the ambulance n fear of disease

considering the terrible **** their willing to digest or take intravenously

but not so much on the pain part, im sure many take advantage, but there are many different levels for pain and different types.

not the

ouch i skinned my elbow or knee

GIMME Oxycontin approach that crybabies take

no

but i mean there is inner bone pain, broken bone pain, head trauma, serious wounds, surgery recovers, child birth, terrible degrees of burns and so on along with crazy back problems n joint issues

that the occasional painkiller or (name ur poison) can help and help a LOT

hoping that u don't become dependent or addicted

but hey that's the fun part

i think pain is a iffy subject, but pain medication is just as up n down

[FrancoisP]

See a doctor and not being involved is nonsense!

We have to learn how our body react and understand how it works...

Medecine is not an exact science: having a problem is searching WITH our doctor how to solve it...

Most of the time, a problem has the origin within our wrong way to eat, to sleep, to breath, to make no sport enough...

A doctor cannot fight against smoking, drinking alcohol, un-regular sleeping times, fat eating...

Overweight is our business! A doctor cannot solve it!

[Stramash]

Never take LSD and fly a plane.

:roll:

[Dr_Mike]

Ever wonder whether all that medical advice you were given was true?

If you have medical beliefs you aren't sure of. Let's us investigate

This topic deserves a thread for its own. Lets do it TF Myth Buster !

Stay away from products containing high amounts of ZINC

Why ?

(Plenty of cosmetic of products have Zinc as an active ingredient, in vitamin supplements.)

Below is a copy of the FDA WARNING LETTER:

William J. Hemelt, Acting President, CFO and COO

Matrixx Initiatives, Inc

8515 East Anderson Drive

Scottsdale, AZ 85255

Dear Mr. Hemelt:

This letter concerns your firm?s marketing of the products Zicam Cold Remedy Nasal Gel, Zicam Cold Remedy Gel Swabs, and Zicam Cold Remedy Swabs, Kids Size.

FDA has concluded that these products may pose a serious risk to consumers who use them. Specifically, FDA has received more than 130 reports of anosmia, (loss of sense of smell, which in some cases can be long-lasting or permanent), associated with use of these products.

To protect consumers, and in light of the violations described below, we ask that within fifteen working days of receipt of this letter, you notify this office in writing of the specific steps that you have taken to correct the violations.

These products are available without a prescription, and they contain zinc gluconate (identified as zincum gluconicum on their labels) as their active ingredient. All are administered by direct application to the nasal cavity and, as described in the labeling, are intended for use in ?adults and children 3 years of age and older (with adult supervision).? These products are referred to hereafter as the ?Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal products.?

According to the labeling accompanying the Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal products, each of these products ?reduces? the ?duration of the common cold? and the ?severity of cold symptoms,? including specifically ?sore throat ? stuffy nose ?sneezing ? coughing ? congestion.? These claims make these products drugs, as defined by section 201(g)(1) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act), 21 U.S.C. 321(g)(1), because they are intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease or to affect the structure or function of the body of man or other animals.

We are not aware of any data establishing that the Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal products are generally recognized as safe and effective for the uses identified in their labeling.[1] On the contrary, as described below, there is evidence that these products pose a serious safety risk to consumers. Because they are not generally recognized as safe and effective for their labeled uses, these products are new drugs, as defined by section 201(p) of the Act, 21 U.S.C. 321(p).

Under sections 301(d) and 505(a) of the Act, 21 U.S.C. 331(d) and 355(a), a new drug may not be introduced or delivered for introduction into interstate commerce unless an FDA‑approved application is in effect for it. There are no approved new drug applications (NDAs) on file with FDA for any of the Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal products; you market them without FDA approval.

We recognize that the labeling for Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal products identifies them as homeopathic drug products with an active ingredient measured in homeopathic strength?Zincum Gluconicum 2X. Nothing in the Act or the regulations issued under it exempts homeopathic drugs from the new drug approval requirements. We acknowledge that many homeopathic drug products are manufactured and distributed without FDA approval under enforcement policies set out in the FDA?s Compliance Policy Guide entitled, ?Conditions Under Which Homeopathic Drugs May be Marketed (CPG 7132.15)? (the CPG). The enforcement discretion set forth in the CPG is not unlimited, however. The CPG states that it ?delineates those conditions under which homeopathic drugs may ordinarily be marketed in the U.S.? (emphasis added) The qualifying word ?ordinarily? indicates that the CPG specifically contemplates that there may be circumstances where a product that otherwise may meet the conditions set forth in the CPG may nevertheless be subject to enforcement action.

A significant and growing body of evidence substantiates that the Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal products may pose a serious risk to consumers who use them. Specifically, FDA has received more than 130 reports of anosmia (loss of sense of smell, which in some cases can be long-lasting or permanent),associated with use of these products; some individuals also report loss of sense of taste.[2] By comparison, FDA has received few reports of anosmia associated with other widely-used intranasal products for treatment of the common cold that are marketed subject to approved NDAs or according to an OTC drug monograph. Further, there is evidence in the published scientific literature that various salts of zinc can damage olfactory function in animals and humans.

A homeopathic drug product marketed without an approved NDA is not subject to the enforcement discretion set forth in the CPG when there is evidence of a safety risk associated with the product, as is the case for the Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal products. Under these circumstances, the Agency enforces the Act?s new drug approval requirement, a provision that is essential to protect the public health by holding firms responsible for demonstrating, based on adequate and well-controlled clinical investigations, that a product is safe and effective for each of its intended uses before marketing it. Therefore, an approved NDA is required for the Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal products, regardless of their homeopathic status. Your introduction of the Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal products into interstate commerce, without an approved application, violates sections 301(d) and 505(a) of the Act, 21 U.S.C. 331(d) and 355(a).

Additionally, Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal products are misbranded under section 502(f)(2) of the Act, 21 U.S.C. 352(f)(2), because their labeling does not bear adequate warnings regarding the risk of anosmia associated with the product. In light of this failure to bear adequate warnings, these products are also misbranded under section 502(a) of the Act, 21 U.S.C. 352(a), taking into account the considerations set forth in section 201(n) of the Act, 21 U.S.C. 321(n).

The issues and violations cited in this letter are not intended to be an all-inclusive statement of violations that exist in connection with your products. You are responsible for investigating and determining the causes of the violations identified above and for preventing their recurrence or the occurrence of other violations. It is your responsibility to assure that your firm complies with all requirements of federal law and FDA regulations. A description of the new drug approval process can be found on FDA?s internet website at http://www.fda.gov/cder/regulatory/applications/default.htm. Any questions you may have regarding this process should be directed to the Food and Drug Administration, Division of Drug Information (HFD‑240), Center for Drug Evaluation and Research, 5600 Fishers Lane, Rockville, Maryland 20857.

You should take prompt action to correct the violations cited in this letter. Failure to promptly correct these violations may result in legal action without further notice, including, without limitation, seizure and injunction. Other federal agencies may take this Warning Letter into account when considering the award of contracts.

Within fifteen working days of receipt of this letter, please notify this office in writing of the specific steps that you have taken to correct violations. Include an explanation of each step being taken to prevent the recurrence of violations, as well as copies of related documentation. If you cannot complete corrective action within fifteen working days, state the reason for the delay and the time within which you will complete the corrections. Furthermore, please advise this office what actions you will take to address product that you have already distributed.

In addition to the reports FDA has received directly from consumers, the agency is aware that Matrixx appears to have more than 800 reports related to loss of sense of smell associatedwith Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal products. Please contact Elisabeth Walther at the contact information below to arrange submission of all reports you have related to loss of sense of smell associated with Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal products. Please indicate which of these reports have been previously submitted to FDA.

Additionally, if another firm or firms manufacture the products identified above, your reply should include the name and address of all such firms. If the firm from which you receive the products is not the manufacturer, please include the name of your supplier in addition to the manufacturer. Address your reply to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, Center for Drug Evaluation and Research, Office of Compliance, 10903 New Hampshire Ave., Silver Spring, MD 20993-0002, Attention: Elisabeth Walther, Pharmacist.

Sincerely,

Deborah M. Autor, Esq.

Director

Office of Compliance

Center for Drug Evaluation and Research

U.S. Food and Drug Administration

[1] Under the Agency?s OTC drug review, FDA has adopted a final monograph that establishes conditions under which OTC cold, cough, allergy, bronchodilator, and anti-asthmatic drug products, in forms suitable for oral, inhalant, or topical administration, are generally recognized as safe and effective. 21 CFR Part 341 ( the OTC Cold Cough monograph). This final monograph covers products intended to treat the same conditions for which Zicam is labeled (i.e., treatment of the common cold and cold symptoms). Although homeopathic drugs are excluded from the OTC drug review (37 F.R. 9464, 9466 (May 11, 1972)), we note that the OTC Cold Cough monograph does not include any products in any dosage form containing zinc or any salt of zinc as their active ingredient.

[2] We note that loss of sense of smell can have serious consequences. For example, patients with anosmia may not be able to detect the smell of a gas leak, smoke, or spoiled food. Loss of sense of taste can have a major impact on an individual?s quality of life.

Tags: MTXX

http://www.biohealthinvestor.com/2009/06/matrixx-crushed-over-fda-warning-letter-mtxx.html

[Stramash]

yeah, like I read all that...

[English_Bob]

We note that loss of sense of smell can have serious consequences. For example, patients with anosmia may not be able to detect the smell of a gas leak.

So, not all bad news then...

(I just skimmed through looking for a joke.)

[Stramash]

We note that loss of sense of smell can have serious consequences. For example, patients with anosmia may not be able to detect the smell of a gas leak.

So, not all bad news then...

(I just skimmed through looking for a joke.)

my dog has no nose...

[bigKus]

We note that loss of sense of smell can have serious consequences. For example, patients with anosmia may not be able to detect the smell of a gas leak.

Its okay.. you can order gas detector from my company. UK product, accurate & reliable

[Dr_Sassy]

We note that loss of sense of smell can have serious consequences. For example, patients with anosmia may not be able to detect the smell of a gas leak.

So, not all bad news then...

(I just skimmed through looking for a joke.)

I can't believe you actually skipped and skimmed that.. freaking long!

I agree... it's not that bad yikes thinking about someone's unique smell :puke_right:

[Dave40]

We note that loss of sense of smell can have serious consequences. For example, patients with anosmia may not be able to detect the smell of a gas leak.

Its okay.. you can order gas detector from my company. UK product, accurate & reliable

Is there any discount kus!!!!

[farang_subson]

Here's some bunk from TF:

MSG is a powerful excitotoxin, it is also known as aspartate (the sweetener) and L-cystine...

No, MSG is not aspartate.

No, aspartate is not a sweetener.

No, MSG is not L-cystine.

Aspartame changes into a form of MSG in the body and it is in fact a carcinogenic form of a chlorinated substance

Neither aspartame nor MSG is chlorinated.

It makes little sense that a methylated dipeptide (aspartame) would be catabolized into a sodium-monopeptide (MSG). Not impossible...but this sort of weirdness should be backed up with citations.

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As for zinc, the FDA is referring to a particular product whereby you glom a concentrated zinc paste into a particular orifice (your nose) repeatedly. Players of trombones, trumpets, and tubas (which contain high amounts of zinc) should not be dissuaded.

[bigKus]

We note that loss of sense of smell can have serious consequences. For example, patients with anosmia may not be able to detect the smell of a gas leak.

Its okay.. you can order gas detector from my company. UK product, accurate & reliable

Is there any discount kus!!!!

Ummm... :roll: let me think aabout it Dave, umm.. aussie, 40s, handsome..umm okayy... i ll give you 2 % discount..deal?

[Dr_Mike]

Here's some bunk from TF:

MSG is a powerful excitotoxin, it is also known as aspartate (the sweetener) and L-cystine...

No, MSG is not aspartate.

No, aspartate is not a sweetener.

No, MSG is not L-cystine.

Aspartame changes into a form of MSG in the body and it is in fact a carcinogenic form of a chlorinated substance

Neither aspartame nor MSG is chlorinated.

It makes little sense that a methylated dipeptide (aspartame) would be catabolized into a sodium-monopeptide (MSG). Not impossible...but this sort of weirdness should be backed up with citations.

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As for zinc, the FDA is referring to a particular product whereby you glom a concentrated zinc paste into a particular orifice (your nose) repeatedly. Players of trombones, trumpets, and tubas (which contain high amounts of zinc) should not be dissuaded.

Its people making statements like you that make the rest of us sick.

MSG is VERY bad for you. Do the research yourself.

I can post another very long medical study proving my statements but doubt

anyone would read it. Or?

aspatate (-spärtt)

n.

1. A salt of aspartic acid.

2. An ester of aspartic acid.

The American Heritage® Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2007, 2004 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

aspartate

Asp; any salt of aspartic acid; aspartic acid in dissociated form.

aspartate carbamoyl transferase

enzyme catalyzing the condensation of carbamoyl phosphate and l-aspartate to N-carbamoyl-l-aspartate. A regulatory, allosteric enzyme in the synthesis of pyrimidine nucleotides.

aspartate transaminase

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/aspartate

Added to food it make it taste sweet.

Giving false medical advice in the form of "myth busting" will get you into a serious lawsuit here in the USA. Beware.

[Dave40]

We note that loss of sense of smell can have serious consequences. For example, patients with anosmia may not be able to detect the smell of a gas leak.

Its okay.. you can order gas detector from my company. UK product, accurate & reliable

Is there any discount kus!!!!

Ummm... :roll: let me think aabout it Dave, umm.. aussie, 40s, handsome..umm okayy... i ll give you 2 % discount..deal?

Thank you good looking lady it's a deal!!!!! :wink: :wink:

[farang_subson]

Did I claim that MSG is good or bad? Read my post.

You disproved nothing I said.

1) MSG is not aspartate.

2) Aspartate is not a sweetener.

3) MSG is not L-cystine.

4) Neither aspartame nor MSG is chlorinated.

5) It's unlikely that aspartame gets catabolized into MSG.

[Dr_Mike]

Did I claim that MSG is good or bad? Read my post.

You disproved nothing I said.

1) MSG is not aspartate.

2) Aspartate is not a sweetener.

3) MSG is not L-cystine.

4) Neither aspartame nor MSG is chlorinated.

5) It's unlikely that aspartame gets catabolized into MSG.

And you sir are VERY wrong. You call yourself a biochemist?

http://www.msgtruth.org/whatisit.htm

[SweetieBabie]

Does shaving really causes hair to grow back more, grow faster, thicker and coarser ???

Is that why sooooooo many Thai girls have hairy legs and arms and refused to shave ??? Many thai girls have mustache above the lips too.

[Neo]

No, aspartate is not a sweetener.

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/aspartate

Added to food it make it taste sweet.

Err.. I think Dr Mike is confusing aspartate (a salt) with aspatame (a sweetener).

Also the reference above does not say anything about making food taste sweet.