Admin_2 Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/thaksin-judgement-related/photo/171772/The-Blood-RitualBlood pouring at Govt House - photos. I thought I'd just find it ridiculous.... but it was offensive. And look at this f*cking idiot Arisman! With his cowboy hat and amulets... http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/thaksin-judgement-day/vdo I'm embarrassed for Thailand! Black magic? Amulets? Ritual blood letting? What f*cking century are they living in? How long is a political term in Thailand? 4 years? And Abhisit has done 2 already? Shut the f*ck up - organise your party - lose the nutcases and fanatics and, if there's anyone left, run as a real party in 24 months' time! f*cking children! Amulets and black magic I agree are stupid. But your last point doesn't make much sense given the history, especially recent history of their party. They did win a popular vote, though it was immediately dismissed as a "bought" vote. For them to just say, "ok...we did win, and the win was taken from us by a group that wasn't even voted into power, but we'll just wait 24 months to try again to win" is not going to happen. Granted, I hate these protests as much as anyone does. But for them to trust in this "system" after what's been going on is a far-fetched dream. Seriously, if you were stripped of your election and believed it was unfair, would you wait and try to win the next election? I'm not saying who is right or wrong here. I'm just asking you to jump in their shoes for a moment (as scary as that might be). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Amulets and black magic I agree are stupid. But your last point doesn't make much sense given the history, especially recent history of their party. They did win a popular vote, though it was immediately dismissed as a "bought" vote. For them to just say, "ok...we did win, and the win was taken from us by a group that wasn't even voted into power, but we'll just wait 24 months to try again to win" is not going to happen. Granted, I hate these protests as much as anyone does. But for them to trust in this "system" after what's been going on is a far-fetched dream. Seriously, if you were stripped of your election and believed it was unfair, would you wait and try to win the next election? I'm not saying who is right or wrong here. I'm just asking you to jump in their shoes for a moment (as scary as that might be). 1) There was an election held by a government that had had most of its membesr banned from politics for five years for election fraud. 2) The UN offered to observe. Thaksin barred outside observers, saying, "The UN is not our father." which obviously meant... 3) The election was again rife with vote buying. 4) Thaksin abused his power to such an extent that even a country as immune to ridiculous corruption as this one, decided to turf him out - which they did. 5) The judiciary (supposedly impartial) elected the new government as per the constitution - not the revised constitution. There are grievances... but please do not try to imagine that these people are not being used by Thaksin for his own purposes. Without this morally bankrupt dictator there would be no demonstration. How can people this poor have chosen a billionaire as their hero? Because they have been brainwashed by his control of the media. They need a young, dynamic HONEST leader who will bring credibility to their cause... preferably one who was born poor and struggled to make something of himself. Someone who is REALLY fighting for the people and not fighting for another chance to rape the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin_2 Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Amulets and black magic I agree are stupid. But your last point doesn't make much sense given the history, especially recent history of their party. They did win a popular vote, though it was immediately dismissed as a "bought" vote. For them to just say, "ok...we did win, and the win was taken from us by a group that wasn't even voted into power, but we'll just wait 24 months to try again to win" is not going to happen. Granted, I hate these protests as much as anyone does. But for them to trust in this "system" after what's been going on is a far-fetched dream. Seriously, if you were stripped of your election and believed it was unfair, would you wait and try to win the next election? I'm not saying who is right or wrong here. I'm just asking you to jump in their shoes for a moment (as scary as that might be). 1) There was an election held by a government that had had most of its membesr banned from politics for five years for election fraud. 2) The UN offered to observe. Thaksin barred outside observers, saying, "The UN is not our father." which obviously meant... 3) The election was again rife with vote buying. 4) Thaksin abused his power to such an extent that even a country as immune to ridiculous corruption as this one, decided to turf him out - which they did. 5) The judiciary (supposedly impartial) elected the new government as per the constitution - not the revised constitution. There are grievances... but please do not try to imagine that these people are not being used by Thaksin for his own purposes. Without this morally bankrupt dictator there would be no demonstration. How can people this poor have chosen a billionaire as their hero? Because they have been brainwashed by his control of the media. They need a young, dynamic HONEST leader who will bring credibility to their cause... preferably one who was born poor and struggled to make something of himself. Someone who is REALLY fighting for the people and not fighting for another chance to rape the country. I was trying to be as clear as possible so you couldn't sidestep my question. I'm not saying that Thaksin wasn't corrupt or that Abhisit isn't honest, that's a whole other issue. I even pointed that out so you wouldn't go listing why Thaksin is bad or why Abhisit is good. My question was, if you were in their shoes and believed what they believe (as scary as that might be), would you really just wait for another pointless election? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 How can people this poor have chosen a billionaire as their hero? Because they have been brainwashed by his control of the media. am i the only one who finds it comedy gold that they chose the color of Lenin and Trotsky et al to rally 'round the uber-capitalist with? probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 I was trying to be as clear as possible so you couldn't sidestep my question. I'm not saying that Thaksin wasn't corrupt or that Abhisit isn't honest, that's a whole other issue. I even pointed that out so you wouldn't go listing why Thaksin is bad or why Abhisit is good. My question was, if you were in their shoes and believed what they believe (as scary as that might be), would you really just wait for another pointless election? But that's EXACTLY the point... I WOULDN'T believe what they believe. I would see through the propaganda.... The reason I believe they should stop is they are being used... but they don't know it... or they do but are too stubborn to stop. I was thinking about how it's normal for Thai people to jump on the bandwagon - Kpop. Rotiboy. Big contacts. Pink shirts. I would hazard a guess that 95% of those standing out in the sun, have no idea what they are fighting for. Even the UDD haven't got a clear aim and they are the leaders. It's a fad. Meaningless. And simple-minded fools are going along because the village is having an outing. Thailand needs a new craze... something that will keep the hoi polloi occupied... I suggest free cable, running inane soap operas and luk tung music 24 hours a day... TV really is the opiate of the masses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crustyjuggler Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 They need a young, dynamic HONEST leader who will bring credibility to their cause... preferably one who was born poor and struggled to make something of himself. Someone who is REALLY fighting for the people and not fighting for another chance to rape the country. No chance mate, everyones either a Lando or an Anakin, there are no ******* Lukes... Lenin and Trotsky must have been in the new episodes which i refused to watch.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 They need a young, dynamic HONEST leader who will bring credibility to their cause... preferably one who was born poor and struggled to make something of himself. Someone who is REALLY fighting for the people and not fighting for another chance to rape the country. No chance mate, everyones either a Lando or an Anakin, there are no f*cking Lukes... Lenin and Trotsky must have been in the new episodes which i refused to watch.. Yeah... we don't need another hero.... we don't need to know the way home... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chatty Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 believed what they believe What are they believing? It's my question. Believe in what TS. believe? Believe in what TS. say? Believe in the rumors? I really wanna go to the red camp and ask what are they believing? what's bring them here? Red shirts has many groups, it's complicated... more than you think. 1. Broken hearts communists (they are old now)...they are using TS. cuz he has money. 2. I don't wanna talk about them here, ppl like Jakrapob Penkae. If someone have heard his speech you will know. 3. PPL like the 3 guys, Jatuporn, Nattawut, Weera. They are blood sucker. 4. Hard core such as Seth Daeng. may be some more in the army. What TS want for now? 1. Come back to Thailand "Clean" 2. Have power in politics 3. be come Mr. PM again. 4. Hmm Take completely control Thailand. How to get that? 1. Mass? 2. Violence? From what I can see right now, from news and some websites, in Thai. Every groups are fighting. UDD in Thailand blame UDD in USA. Daeng Siam blame the 3 guys, that their strategy is so idiot and never win. Seth Daeng... "Red hawk" said the 3 guys strategy sucks, if Seth Daeng handle this job he would finish in 3 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Seh Daeng is a fool. He has no perception of the consequences of his actions. He lives in a fantasy world where he is the hero and all problems can be solved by killing. The Isaan people need to lose their leaders. Look at the clowns they are following. Look at the techniques employed. Brainless sheep following the loud noise and flashing lights. With a 'clean' leader who approaches the government with maturity and common sense, all issues could be addressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crustyjuggler Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Seh Daeng is a fool.He has no perception of the consequences of his actions. He lives in a fantasy world where he is the hero and all problems can be solved by killing. The Isaan people need to lose their leaders. Look at the clowns they are following. Look at the techniques employed. Brainless sheep following the loud noise and flashing lights. With a 'clean' leader who approaches the government with maturity and common sense, all issues could be addressed. A woman would automatically take out 95% of the brainless idiocy.. That would be a good start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chatty Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Seh Daeng is a fool.He has no perception of the consequences of his actions. He lives in a fantasy world where he is the hero and all problems can be solved by killing. The Isaan people need to lose their leaders. Look at the clowns they are following. Look at the techniques employed. Brainless sheep following the loud noise and flashing lights. With a 'clean' leader who approaches the government with maturity and common sense, all issues could be addressed. How about Arismund? He just wanna burn BKK. hrrrrrrr... I think if TS wanna win "his" war he should change his assistants. Fools and blood suckers... Talking about blood... I don't think it's possible to get 700000 cc. as they claim.. someone said they bought animal blood. (just rumor) I was glad that medical staff from Vachira Hospital took care of the waste blood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 A woman would automatically take out 95% of the brainless idiocy.. That would be a good start. I've stated this is several other forums and had a letter in Bangkok Post published... Thai politics is in severe need of an influx of women. Thai women are more reasonable, harder working, more trustworthy and more mature than Thai men. Oh and better educated too! That's the way forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigKus Posted March 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 How can people this poor have chosen a billionaire as their hero? Because they have been brainwashed by his control of the media. Why not ? A street vendor told that her brother from Isarn just called her last week if she wants to give her name to the guy as a register to support TS. The guy claimed TS is coming back, if she did, once TS come back to TH she will immediately receive 500b cash, this is not talk about would TS get back in power yet. See ? how easy money can be made if you have a billionair as the hero ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chatty Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 A woman would automatically take out 95% of the brainless idiocy.. That would be a good start. Thai women are more reasonable, harder working, more trustworthy and more mature than Thai men. Oh and better educated too! That's the way forward. True, but be careful about female hormone. :twisted: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crustyjuggler Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 A woman would automatically take out 95% of the brainless idiocy.. That would be a good start. Thai women are more reasonable, harder working, more trustworthy and more mature than Thai men. Oh and better educated too! That's the way forward. True, but be careful about female hormone. :twisted: Oh noo, not more blood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Why not ? A street vendor told that her brother from Isarn just called her last week if she wants to give her name to the guy as a register to support TS. The guy claimed TS is coming back, if she did, once TS come back to TH she will immediately receive 500b cash, this is not talk about would TS get back in power yet. You see? Even if it were true that I would get 500 baht, I would definitely NOT support someone like that... ...simply because if he gives out 500 baht, he expects 1000 baht back. These are stupid, greedy people who don't want to see the truth... They have been used. Thaksin showed them shiny beads to get into power and then raped the country for his own benefit. They are still listening to the leaders who are desperate to get their faces back in the trough. If ONE of them had a brain cell, they would do the maths... there are 100,000 of us here... Thaksin had 2 billion dollars... That's 20,000 dollars per demonstrator... I'd want a shitload more than 500 baht in return for my whole country! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chatty Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 sorry we are not good at mathematics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 sorry we are not good at mathematics You don't need to be... Cut and paste my quote onto Panthip.com... and a few other Thai sites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigKus Posted March 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Why not ? A street vendor told that her brother from Isarn just called her last week if she wants to give her name to the guy as a register to support TS. The guy claimed TS is coming back, if she did, once TS come back to TH she will immediately receive 500b cash, this is not talk about would TS get back in power yet. You see? Even if it were true that I would get 500 baht, I would definitely NOT support someone like that... ...simply because if he gives out 500 baht, he expects 1000 baht back. These are stupid, greedy people who don't want to see the truth... They have been used. Thaksin showed them shiny beads to get into power and then raped the country for his own benefit. They are still listening to the leaders who are desperate to get their faces back in the trough. If ONE of them had a brain cell, they would do the maths... there are 100,000 of us here... Thaksin had 2 billion dollars... That's 20,000 dollars per demonstrator... I'd want a shitload more than 500 baht in return for my whole country! I dont think that a street vendor's brother would care how much TS have. Only he knows once he write his name down he will get 500b plus 500b from wife and he even wish to have more kids as to get more 500b. What would you do if you have been working in farms all your life but suddenly you earn few thousand with a job is very very light from what you have been doing. ?? From what heard from street vendor, that is mean there still have people who working on rumor / propaganda back up TS which I find its very dangerous. Forturnately, some of them are realised that earn money this way is not sustainable and causes conflicts amongst people in their village/commune while the projects from this govt. are getting on progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 I dont think that a street vendor's brother would care how much TS have. Only he knows once he write his name down he will get 500b plus 500b from wife and he even wish to have more kids as to get more 500b. What would you do if you have been working in farms all your life but suddenly you earn few thousand with a job is very very light from what you have been doing. ?? From what heard from street vendor, that is mean there still have people who working on rumor / propaganda back up TS which I find its very dangerous. Forturnately, some of them are realised that earn money this way is not sustainable and causes conflicts amongst people in their village/commune while the projects from this govt. are getting on progress. But that money that Thaksin has / had was stolen from Thai people. Assuming I wasn't totally stupid, I would see when I was being tricked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiAnt Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 I think we're all missing the pivotall point here, which is... There's been a lot less traffic about. So it's not all bad then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chatty Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 sorry we are not good at mathematics You don't need to be... Cut and paste my quote onto Panthip.com... and a few other Thai sites. They would say... Cuz PAD closed the Airport!! That's the excuse and answer in every case they and TS have done. Seems like Pantip.com was taken over buy red shirts. Cuz they asked the other color shirts to leave them alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chatty Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 I think we're all missing the pivotall point here, which is...There's been a lot less traffic about. So it's not all bad then. If you ask Taxi driver, you will hear difference view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigKus Posted March 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 I dont think that a street vendor's brother would care how much TS have. Only he knows once he write his name down he will get 500b plus 500b from wife and he even wish to have more kids as to get more 500b. What would you do if you have been working in farms all your life but suddenly you earn few thousand with a job is very very light from what you have been doing. ?? From what heard from street vendor, that is mean there still have people who working on rumor / propaganda back up TS which I find its very dangerous. Forturnately, some of them are realised that earn money this way is not sustainable and causes conflicts amongst people in their village/commune while the projects from this govt. are getting on progress. But that money that Thaksin has / had was stolen from Thai people. Assuming I wasn't totally stupid, I would see when I was being tricked! Eventhough you arent totally stupid but you are tired and hungry and want new sleeky mobile phone. You may say(excuse) you dont steal from anyone and no one die from what you did (taking that 500b offer) since you have been working in farms all your life you cant figure anything further than that. I bet then you will feel free and take that money. Anyway, as you said, its long and complicated ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiAnt Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 I think we're all missing the pivotall point here, which is...There's been a lot less traffic about. So it's not all bad then. If you ask Taxi driver, you will hear difference view. Oh I'm sure if the trip was long enough he'd agree with me. Though, ok, you may be right; I never actually get much further into town than Rachada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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