Bin Laden is Dead Poem...

[admin]

Bin Laden did a lot of Shit that is not according to Islam so why bother. He is dead. The seals should have cremated him. its easy and without a fuss. If the Taliban react irrationally the USA will put them down easily and rather fast. Also just think how awesome this blue planet of ours would be if everyone was Buddhists?

From Wikipedia:

Islam

The sacred texts of Islam prefer burial on land, "so deep that its smell does not come out and the beasts of prey do not dig it out". However, if a person dies at sea and it is not possible to bring the body back to land before decay, burial at sea is allowed. A weight is tied to the feet of the body, and the body is lowered into the water. This would preferably occur in an area where the remains are not immediately eaten by scavengers. Also, if an enemy may dig up the grave to mutilate the body, it is also allowed to bury the deceased at sea to avoid mutilation.[3]

In the famous Sunni Fiqh book Umdat al-Salik wa Uddat al-Nasik, the condition for sea burial is given as follow:

It is best to bury him (the deceased) in the cementery... If someone dies on a ship and it is impossible to bury him on land, the body is placed (O: tightly lashed) between two planks (O: to obviate bloating) and thrown into the sea (O: so that it reaches shore, even if the inhabitants are non-Muslims, since a Muslim might find the body and bury it facing the direction of prayer (qibla)).[4]

Again from Wikipedia

Islam

Islam categorically disapproves of cremation. Islam has specific rites [22] for the treatment of the body after death.

And from The Guardian

Finding a country willing to accept the remains of the world's most wanted terrorist would have been difficult," a US official said. "So the US decided to bury him at sea." The burial reportedly took place from the deck of the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson in the North Arabian sea.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/sea-burial-osama-bin-laden

As for those who fear reprisals for not burying him on land which is the normal practice in Islam . . . who is going to get so upset at that part that they would attack the US that wouldn't already be pissed off enough at us killing him in the first place? In other words, the risk of an attack on US citizens or interests did not increase because of his burial.

As the Times says:

Few are issuing such proclamation in his defense right now, and one suspects that discontent in the Muslim world over the means of his burial will not linger all that long.

Read more: http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/2011/05/02/when-bad-guys-die-what-happens-to-the-bodies/#ixzz1LLJRm8Di

BTW, a very interesting quote in same article in The Guardian:

Brad Sagarin, a psychologist at Northern Illinois University who studies persuasion, said the rapid disposal of the body "would certainly be a rich sort of kernel for somebody to grasp on to if they were motivated to disbelieve this."

Citing the example of those who refuse to believe that Barack Obama is a US citizen, he added: "As with the birther conspiracy, there's going to be a set of people who are never going to be convinced. People filter the information they receive through their current attitudes, their current perspectives."

[SKYWARRIOR]

Heard about the new Bin Laden cocktail? Two shots and a splash of water!

[Chatty]

After ran thru every page here... I have conceptual.... keep my mouth shut... don't be American enemy.

[GoodKarma]

Nawh...I think it is alright in the world to speak your mind..

but be prepared for the rebuttles

[Bodai]

Heard about the new Bin Laden cocktail? Two shots and a splash of water!

HA HA!!! Perfect!

[admin]

Nawh...I think it is alright in the world to speak your mind..

but be prepared for the rebuttles

US Navy SEAL rebuttals :-)

[Chatty]

Nawh...I think it is alright in the world to speak your mind..

but be prepared for the rebuttles

lol I'm not looking for fighting... Just give my opinion.

I'm not Bin Laden fan club, what he did was totally wrong.

but do you really think killing him America will safe forever? Killing him might start new war?

I heard from radio station this morning the Obama and Hillary watched the live Seals operating? Is it true.

If that, is it difference from watching execution without bringing him to the court. I know it sounds so naive...

A friend of mine post this comment on my FB wall "Suddam is USA mission, Gadhafi is USA mission and Bin Laden is USA mission,...the mission to bring prosperous for USA citizen and for the sake of USA citizen..eventually !!??"

American's war is wall of the world?

[admin]

I love how America is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't. For instance, during the 1950's and 60's the US dumped a huge amount of aid (some estimates are as much as $1 billion USD) into the Thai government in order to counter the Chinese instigated communist insurgency in the north of Thailand. During and after the Vietnam war our presence in Thailand was *one* of the factors that kept the Laos civil war and what was going on in Cambodia from spilling over into Thailand.

So on one level, Thailand enjoys the aid and the protection and nobody has a problem with that (except perhaps the communist insurgents). But what if Pol Pot had decided to annex parts of Thailand? Or what if the Laos civil war would have crossed the border? Should the US tell the Thai government that that is their problem and possibly watch the Thai government fall or should we intervene and assist?

In other words, it's often more complex than simply looking at what America seems to be doing. For instance, the US has tried to distance itself as much as possible from Libya. It's a NATO mission. The US really wanted nothing to do with it originally. We would have much preferred Libya's regional neighbors, Italy, France, Turkey, and Muslim countries handle the situation. But everybody shuffled their feet trying to decide who should ultimately be in control (with nobody especially jumping up to say "Me! Me! Pick me!") and the US ended up stepping in when it looked like the rebels were going to get absolutely crushed and then handed it back off to NATO once everyone decided they were the best organization to handle it.

So if we did nothing the world would ask us "Why didn't you help the rebels?" And if we reluctantly take the initiative when no one else will people ask "Why is the US getting involved in another Muslim war?"

Afghanistan? I personally find it difficult to argue that we were not justified in invading. Others might have different points of view but I think, at the time, the mission was to topple the Taliban and get access to Al Queda leaders hiding out in Afghanistan with the full protection of the Taliban.

Iraq? Don't ask me. Had the intelligence been true and credible again we would have a situation where if we did nothing and he decided to drop a nuke on Qatar or Kuwait everybody would blame us for not doing something to stop him if we knew he had these weapons.

lol I'm not looking for fighting... Just give my opinion.

I'm not Bin Laden fan club, what he did was totally wrong.

but do you really think killing him America will safe forever? Killing him might start new war?

I heard from radio station this morning the Obama and Hillary watched the live Seals operating? Is it true.

If that, is it difference from watching execution without bringing him to the court. I know it sounds so naive...

A friend of mine post this comment on my FB wall "Suddam is USA mission, Gadhafi is USA mission and Bin Laden is USA mission,...the mission to bring prosperous for USA citizen and for the sake of USA citizen..eventually !!??"

American's war is wall of the world?

[Chatty]

I love how America is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't. For instance, during the 1950's and 60's the US dumped a huge amount of aid (some estimates are as much as $1 billion USD) into the Thai government in order to counter the Chinese instigated communist insurgency in the north of Thailand. During and after the Vietnam war our presence in Thailand was *one* of the factors that kept the Laos civil war and what was going on in Cambodia from spilling over into Thailand.

So on one level, Thailand enjoys the aid and the protection and nobody has a problem with that (except perhaps the communist insurgents). But what if Pol Pot had decided to annex parts of Thailand? Or what if the Laos civil war would have crossed the border? Should the US tell the Thai government that that is their problem and possibly watch the Thai government fall or should we intervene and assist?

In other words, it's often more complex than simply looking at what America seems to be doing. For instance, the US has tried to distance itself as much as possible from Libya. It's a NATO mission. The US really wanted nothing to do with it originally. We would have much preferred Libya's regional neighbors, Italy, France, Turkey, and Muslim countries handle the situation. But everybody shuffled their feet trying to decide who should ultimately be in control (with nobody especially jumping up to say "Me! Me! Pick me!") and the US ended up stepping in when it looked like the rebels were going to get absolutely crushed and then handed it back off to NATO once everyone decided they were the best organization to handle it.

So if we did nothing the world would ask us "Why didn't you help the rebels?" And if we reluctantly take the initiative when no one else will people ask "Why is the US getting involved in another Muslim war?"

Afghanistan? I personally find it difficult to argue that we were not justified in invading. Others might have different points of view but I think, at the time, the mission was to topple the Taliban and get access to Al Queda leaders hiding out in Afghanistan with the full protection of the Taliban.

Iraq? Don't ask me. Had the intelligence been true and credible again we would have a situation where if we did nothing and he decided to drop a nuke on Qatar or Kuwait everybody would blame us for not doing something to stop him if we knew he had these weapons.

Ja impressive, as I told you it's just my opinion, not my country opinion. Good job p'Bill from now on I will feel grateful... hehehe

[English_Bob]

Of course you are damned if you do and damned if you don't....

But you are damned by two different sets of people - those who agree and those who don't.

As far as Afhganistan and Iraq are concerned... Get in there, kick some ass and secure some cheap oil for those countries with which you have a 'special relationship'...

(See you tomorrow for Cinco de Mayo? Better confirm time and numbers to be safe - cheers)

[Goodghost]

Of course you are damned if you do and damned if you don't....

But you are damned by two different sets of people - those who agree and those who don't.

As far as Afhganistan and Iraq are concerned... Get in there, kick some ass and secure some cheap oil for those countries with which you have a 'special relationship'...

(See you tomorrow for Cinco de Mayo? Better confirm time and numbers to be safe - cheers)

Cheap oil? Where?

[GoodKarma]

lol I'm not looking for fighting... Just give my opinion.

I'm not Bin Laden fan club, what he did was totally wrong.

but do you really think killing him America will safe forever? Killing him might start new war?

I heard from radio station this morning the Obama and Hillary watched the live Seals operating? Is it true.

If that, is it difference from watching execution without bringing him to the court. I know it sounds so naive...

A friend of mine post this comment on my FB wall "Suddam is USA mission, Gandhi is USA mission and Bin Laden is USA mission,...the mission to bring prosperous for USA citizen and for the sake of USA citizen..eventually !!??"

American's war is wall of the world?

No bCool I don't think your looking for fighting...and no way do I think your American enemy..thank goodness your not a bin Ladin fan.

I really can't understand how someone could be a fan of such an evil person who was responsible for the horrible deaths of almost 3,000 people...Yes it is true that Obama and Hillary watched it live...but remember people and the world watched it live on TV as the planes dissapeared into the buildings and also not forgeting to mention people on the NYC street watching people jumping out of the windows of the world trade center to there death to escape from being burnt to ashes. People on the street watched this without being able to do a single thing to help..some of the bodies in the buildings were never recovered, some partial arms partial legs were though.. also keep in mind these people were innocent civillians that that had to go to work that day trying to make a living to raise there families... btw I dont even dispise those who are fans of him or his army that did this..because I feel we are all adults. we have free will and can make our own decisions..to each his or her own.. They have to live with themselves..

.. but to answer your questions.. taking out bin Ladin probably will make the US just a little tinie winie bit safer.. No new war has to be started because the US is and has been at war since 9/11. It started the whole thing. There are soldiers fighting, being killed, mamed for life as I write this ..unfortunately this thing has probably no end in sight it may go on for the rest of our lifetimes no one knows....

However, I feel bin Ladin is a bit different than Gadhaffi or Saddam and I will tell you why. Those 2 men were and are actually leaders of countries that is probably why Saddam was brought to trial... Laden is not really a leader of a country he is more comparable to a general of an army and thats what happens in war it's nasty soldiers either kill or get killed.. I feel uncomfortable actually celebrating the death of another being, so im not in celebration... but sorry to say after what he was responsible for ...I mos def won't lose any sleep over him not being around anymore..

p.s. TF sorry for the rant, Hey Cool thanks for speaking your mind it's greatly appreciated... hope you have a good work week...Cool

[DANNO]

I love how America is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't. For instance, during the 1950's and 60's the US dumped a huge amount of aid (some estimates are as much as $1 billion USD) into the Thai government in order to counter the Chinese instigated communist insurgency in the north of Thailand. During and after the Vietnam war our presence in Thailand was *one* of the factors that kept the Laos civil war and what was going on in Cambodia from spilling over into Thailand.

So on one level, Thailand enjoys the aid and the protection and nobody has a problem with that (except perhaps the communist insurgents). But what if Pol Pot had decided to annex parts of Thailand? Or what if the Laos civil war would have crossed the border? Should the US tell the Thai government that that is their problem and possibly watch the Thai government fall or should we intervene and assist?

In other words, it's often more complex than simply looking at what America seems to be doing. For instance, the US has tried to distance itself as much as possible from Libya. It's a NATO mission. The US really wanted nothing to do with it originally. We would have much preferred Libya's regional neighbors, Italy, France, Turkey, and Muslim countries handle the situation. But everybody shuffled their feet trying to decide who should ultimately be in control (with nobody especially jumping up to say "Me! Me! Pick me!") and the US ended up stepping in when it looked like the rebels were going to get absolutely crushed and then handed it back off to NATO once everyone decided they were the best organization to handle it.

So if we did nothing the world would ask us "Why didn't you help the rebels?" And if we reluctantly take the initiative when no one else will people ask "Why is the US getting involved in another Muslim war?"

Afghanistan? I personally find it difficult to argue that we were not justified in invading. Others might have different points of view but I think, at the time, the mission was to topple the Taliban and get access to Al Queda leaders hiding out in Afghanistan with the full protection of the Taliban.

Iraq? Don't ask me. Had the intelligence been true and credible again we would have a situation where if we did nothing and he decided to drop a nuke on Qatar or Kuwait everybody would blame us for not doing something to stop him if we knew he had these weapons.

If such a complicated position can be stated quickly---

Well said Bill (I differ on Iraq --- except to GWB and the neo=cons --it was never needed and never should have been done).

And it's a pisser having to get it right every time ---

humans are imperfect -- so are Americans ---I do proudly believe in the last 100 years we have "saved" many more than we have destroyed, even if it has been self-serving often

As far as Bin ladin --- he was willing to take full credit for 9/11 without trail and warnings --- as a relious text says --- "you will reap as you sew" and I have to wonder if the respectful preperation of his corpus was warrented...I guess in that sense it may have shown we will try to respect the sensitivities of Islam, even as a minority in that world do not show the same and much of that world shrink from Standing UP for a religion of peace and understanding (which is what I am told Islam has stood for in its 1500 years)

Now where is al-Zarchi (spelling) the third head of this serpent?

[DANNO]

as alway N'Neung ...post your honest thoughts ...is that not what this part of TF is for?? (well everyone are not always honest -- just looking for a recation) and Good Karma says many things well... a frind of mine on the 102nd floor of the South tower did not have many options that morning and I cannot imagine being in that situation...I was in an IBM plant when a gunman came through --randomly killing 3 and wounding 4 without any rational ...I was no where nearby --but it shook me up that a workday caould become THAT insane!

yes... everyone is a little safer with bin Ladin dead...except his Boys..maybe they found some good records too.

foreever??? not completely safe for much more than a blink of an eye! --if at all

watching the execution (?) well they have said the US leadership watched the mission in real-time ---but did not see bin Laden actually get shot. *** In the US when a someone is tried and exceuted , witness are required to symbolically society taking its responsibility in killing someone --- so maybe there is something in the same manner here...they were responsible (risking the soldiers too remember) and so was I and my countryman!

Come and join us! We can make the world better ...somebody needs to, there is alot of work to be done, don't you think?

[admin]

Ja impressive, as I told you it's just my opinion, not my country opinion. Good job p'Bill from now on I will feel grateful... hehehe

It's not about feeling grateful. I think everyone wishes stuff like this didn't have to happen but look at your own country. Thailand and Cambodia are exchanging bullets over the Preah Vihear temple. How does that make any more or less sense that what the US is doing? Or how as Thaksin's "Drug War" where it's estimated that 1500 people were killed in summary executions any more or less distasteful?

BTW, another interesting tidbit I came across recently, just prior to attacking Pearl Harbor the Japanese invaded Thailand. Field Marshal Plaek Pibulsongkram, realizing that Japan would quickly overrun Thailand and conquer it negotiated a cease fire and basically ceded to Japan and allowed them to use Thailand as a passage during WWII.

After Japan was defeated the UK and Russia both viewed Thailand as a member of the Axis and wanted to impose on them the same sort of punishments that Japan, Italy, and Germany were to receive. The US used its political power to convince both the UK and Russia to back off and eventually allow Thailand to enter the UN.

So again, another example of the US getting its nose into other people's business to their benefit but those memories are short-lived compared to when we fuck up.

[admin]

BTW, a couple of good videos on US Navy SEALs

And this article on becoming a Navy SEAL:

Why it is called Hell Week?

It is aptly named. We go through events with an almost total lack of sleep. Five or six hours, at most, spread out throughout the week. At some point, the mind just wanders. You begin to hallucinate. Your dreams and reality become one. And then there is the cold. It is wet most of the time. The sea, the ice, sucks all the warmth of your body. There are four stages of hypothermia. At first, we shiver a little. Second, the quakes are more violent, almost uncontrollable. In the third, the body and mind become numb, stunned.

[funky_house]

BTW, a couple of good videos on US Navy SEALs

And this article on becoming a Navy SEAL:

Funnily enough, I have been reading a book about the SEALS for the last week or so: Warrior Soul: The memoir of a Navy SEAL by Chuck Pfarrer.

Read a couple of good ones a few years ago by Richard Marcinko, the founder of Seal team 6. That is him, with the beard, being interviewed in the first video.

[Bodai]

Funnily enough, I have been reading a book about the SEALS for the last week or so: Warrior Soul: The memoir of a Navy SEAL by Chuck Pfarrer.

Read a couple of good ones a few years ago by Richard Marcinko, the founder of Seal team 6. That is him, with the beard, being interviewed in the first video.

Check out Lone Survivor, as someone who used to be in Navy SF (SWCC) I found this to be an amazing read and extremely accurate. I also currently work with a couple of guys who knew the men in this book, never met them myself though.

[GoodKarma]

wow they are some bad muthas...great videos bill thx for sharing...

[funky_house]

Check out Lone Survivor, as someone who used to be in Navy SF (SWCC) I found this to be an amazing read and extremely accurate. I also currently work with a couple of guys who knew the men in this book, never met them myself though.

Cheers Bodai...Will have a look.

[Stramash]

Even though we both speak the same language, it's amazing how there are some subtle differences between American-English and proper English:

They say "sidewalk", we say "pavement"

They say "pants", we say "trousers"

They say "buried at sea", we say "naked and chained to a metal bed frame with a car battery connected to his bollocks whilst being beaten for answers".

[Stramash]

The Seals did great, but if they'd sent the SBS in, they would have got Bin Laden, Gadaffi, Justin Bieber AND Rebecca Black...

; )

[Bodai]

The Seals did great, but if they'd sent the SBS in, they would have got Bin Laden, Gadaffi, Justin Bieber AND Rebecca Black...

; )

Were you SBS? Cause I'm pretty sure you mean SAS since the SBS is Special Boat Service.

[DANNO]

ouch ...Iain ...say it ain't true

and someone alert our banned friend Mark --- he might finally score a point! )

[StevieJR]

Were you SBS? Cause I'm pretty sure you mean SAS since the SBS is Special Boat Service.

SBS do kick ass out of the water too.

Whilst the unit specializes in water-borne activities, they are also highly skilled on dry land. Recent operations have taken place in the mountains of land-locked Afghanistan and deep in the deserts of Iraq. Previously known as the Special Boat Squadron and exclusively drawn from The Royal Marines, the SBS is now open to members of other regiments and services from throughout the UK military.

Personally i would have sent in MFI......They are some hard to deal with mutha fuc*ers!