SweetieBabie Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Does tipping make you trippin ? In Thailand, waitresses make minimum wage somewhere between 120 to 220 us$ per month, they do rely on tipping for their income and most of the establishment does the splitting tips from their one pot. Most of the time the shampooers in salon do not get tips at all as well as the few other underpaid jobs. What When Where How How Much do you tip for the services in the land of smile ? and outside the country ? Is Tipping an etiquette or a rip off ? Should it be included in your product price and services to raise up more cost of living ? Do you have some tipping tips ? Should all tipping be banned altogether ? Share your stories... The good, The bad and The ugly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodKarma Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 15% - 20% maybe My mom and ex girlfriend says I always tip too much. so they say i'm tripping. I have worked jobs that you rely on tips so I guess I have a soft heart for tipping. a lot of times though you are right you have to be careful always find out if the tip is included in the service or if it's automatic. I have a problem with double tipping though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalcat Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I think the restaurants should really just pay a fair wage and take care of their employees. Don't leave the burden of supporting their staff on the consumer. Tips should be strictly a bonus for exceptional service. In NY tipping is expected if not mandatory... even if the service is appalling. I think that's messed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweetieBabie Posted August 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I have worked jobs that you rely on tips so I guess I have a soft heart for tipping. Me too Hand tipping, if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 i remember an article a few months ago were some restaurants in the UK were not even paying their staff minimum wage and expected them to make up the balance in tips. in fact one restaurant (maybe chain can't remember) didn't pay the staff at all .... unless their tips didn't cover minimum wage, then they made up the difference !! now i know some countries have a tipping culture ..... but why the f**k should we make up staff's wages because their bosses r too f**king tight arsed to pay them a decent wage !!! having said all that i do tend to tip around 10% !!! :roll: :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodKarma Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I have worked jobs that you rely on tips so I guess I have a soft heart for tipping. Me too Hand tipping, if possible. don't get me wrong though if the service is horrible not the food but the atittude of the waitress. I will tip as little as possible. even leave a small tip as a protest. sweet - what is hand tipping. :?: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 i remember an article a few months ago were some restaurants in the UK were not even paying their staff minimum wage and expected them to make up the balance in tips. in fact one restaurant (maybe chain can't remember) didn't pay the staff at all .... unless their tips didn't cover minimum wage, then they made up the difference !!now i know some countries have a tipping culture ..... but why the f**k should we make up staff's wages because their bosses r too f**king tight arsed to pay them a decent wage !!! having said all that i do tend to tip around 10% !!! :roll: :roll: Thats common in the US. Waitresses in diners get peanuts as tips are to be their salary but they can get screwed that way as a lot of people don't realize they get so little actual salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I have worked jobs that you rely on tips so I guess I have a soft heart for tipping. Me too Hand tipping, if possible. with happy ending?? Tipping should be just that; an acknowledgement of good food and/or good service. If a meal is crap and a waiter/waitress surly and unfriendly, it is a natural right of the customer to withhold gratuities to indicate their displeasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enchanted Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I've been working so many years in service industry and tipping is like a norm for me. So, it depends whether the restaurants charge 10% service charge on top of the bills if they do mostly I won't tip unless staffs provide exceptionally good service and impression. Anyhow, a lot depending on whether it is my good day or not It's like: I'm OK...You're OK? I'm not OK...You're not OK or I'm OK...You are not OK...vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumper Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Does tipping make you trippin ? What When Where How How Much do you tip for the services in the land of smile ? and outside the country ? The people I tip the most often are the cleaners. If I'm staying in a serviced apartment and my room gets cleaned every day. I leave them something small every day. Even a couple of 20 baht notes left on the bed is better than nothing. I always try and get to know them a little bit as well, at least their name. In bars - leave the coins if just there for one drink and moving on. I'll tip if I've spent a bit of time there or there has been some 'entertainment factor' involved. In places I regularly go I tend to buy some of the service staff I know well drinks which may full under the remit of 'tips' depending how you look at it. They always look after me very well. I'm not into 10% service charges getting added onto my bill. Bit cheeky and I can only think of one place that does this - Cafe New Orleans. I'm sure I would leave a reasonable tip if I've had a nice meal but - up to me ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweetieBabie Posted August 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 what is hand tipping. :?: A hand-tipping in my own term is when you give the money directly to the person who you think deserve it. like when you slid the tip in valet parking, a hair dresser or in the gstring of a stripper. to make sure that it does not all go in one pot and all the employees split on that pot. It's unfair to the hard working ones and the lazy ones who take advantage of the working fellows. In some establishments do not allow this because of creating jealously among the employees, but hey, who works harder deserve more reward, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumper Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Hand tipping is cool. Folded up note slipped to them in a handshake. :wink: 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodKarma Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 what is hand tipping. :?: A hand-tipping in my own term is when you give the money directly to the person who you think deserve it. like when you slid the tip in valet parking, a hair dresser or in the gstring of a stripper. to make sure that it does not all go in one pot and all the employees split on that pot. It's unfair to the hard working ones and the lazy ones who take advantage of the working fellows. In some establishments do not allow this because of creating jealously among the employees, but hey, who works harder deserve more reward, right? cool thanks for explaing sweet - got it - so is that what I do? slip the monetary note into the strippers gstring :wink: note to self (GK) next time with stripper dont forget slip the monetary note into the gstring..and remember(GK) don't just throw it at her...just kidding..lol @dumper exactly we in the US always use the term yea dude.. did you slip him a 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koolbreez Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 The thing I see, and find disheartening in Thailand is that many business' take a cut of the employees tips. This is illegal in the USA, and should be in Thailand too. After 27 years in the casino industry of Nevada, working in both tip, and non tip jobs, I find that most people expect more service wise than they are willing to pay for. A waitress/bartender is only hired to serve you what you ordered, the smile, conversing, listening, making you feel good, are all extra, and should be rewarded with money. The better the service, the more that employee is worth to you the customer. Saying that all service is the same, and thus a percentage of the bill (10%, 15%, etc) is how much you should tip defeats the purpose of a tip. It makes lazy workers, as does pooling tips. The only time tips should be pooled is when greedy employees are not giving a fair share to the other employees that support their work, the cooks, the barbacks (stockers) etc. It's called kicking down tips to those that make it possible for you to make the tip. You want good service, you pay for it, with folding money, not chump change. They remember you the next time if you treat them well. How many of you tip the local cop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingLing Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Great comments from all and I think it covers the questions about Tripping or Tipping. There is one bar I was in long time ago and there is a sign along the wall behind the bar that says: Tipping is not a province in China Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin_2 Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Having worked waiting tables and bartending, I find myself tipping a minimum of 15%...even if it's crappy service. Some people work only off of tips, or they make something like 4 dollars an hour (way below minimum wage) and they rely on tips as their main income. I always found that the richer the person was, the worse they would tip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingLing Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Having worked waiting tables and bartending, I find myself tipping a minimum of 15%...even if it's crappy service.Some people work only off of tips, or they make something like 4 dollars an hour (way below minimum wage) and they rely on tips as their main income. I always found that the richer the person was, the worse they would tip. Since you tip 15% ..... Does this mean that your not rich ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin_2 Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Having worked waiting tables and bartending, I find myself tipping a minimum of 15%...even if it's crappy service.Some people work only off of tips, or they make something like 4 dollars an hour (way below minimum wage) and they rely on tips as their main income. I always found that the richer the person was, the worse they would tip. Since you tip 15% ..... Does this mean that your not rich ????? Precisely. I take the baht bus, and get excited when I find myself on the 50 or 47 and get a free ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweetieBabie Posted August 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Additional charges in decent restaurants in Thailand is 17% (7% tax and 10% service charge), can run up to 20-27% in 5 stars restaurants or hotels. Lets say you have a bottle of Dom Perignon at 10,000 baht, you are bound to pay another 2,000 baht (20%) for extra smiles. It really adds up. ... Sometimes i wonder whether if these so called service charges that already included in your bills, would ever really go to the employees ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin_2 Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Additional charges in decent restaurants in Thailand is 17% (7% tax and 10% service charge), can run up to 20-27% in 5 stars restaurants or hotels. Lets say you have a bottle of Dom Perignon at 10,000 baht, you are bound to pay another 2,000 baht (20%) for extra smiles. It really adds up. ... Sometimes i wonder whether if these so called service charges that already included in your bills, would ever really go to the employees ... And THAT is the reason that I don't buy bottles of Dom at clubs... :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Some people work only off of tips, or they make something like 4 dollars an hour (way below minimum wage) and they rely on tips as their main income. I always found that the richer the person was, the worse they would tip. this is the ***** i have with tipping .... why r we expected to make up their wages just because their tight ass f**king boss won't pay them a decent f**king wage !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorea Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Does tipping make you trippin ? In Thailand, waitresses make minimum wage somewhere between 120 to 220 us$ per month, they do rely on tipping for their income and most of the establishment does the splitting tips from their one pot. Most of the time the shampooers in salon do not get tips at all as well as the few other underpaid jobs. What When Where How How Much do you tip for the services in the land of smile ? and outside the country ? Is Tipping an etiquette or a rip off ? Should it be included in your product price and services to raise up more cost of living ? Do you have some tipping tips ? Should all tipping be banned altogether ? Share your stories... The good, The bad and The ugly We don't have a tip treadition in DK. No one tip taxi driver (they earn approx Bth 180000/month) Some people here tip restaurant's waiter/waitress but if you don't tip them that's also OK.( Waiter/waitress here earn approx bth 100000-120000. It seems to be a lot but we pay very high percent taxes.) Many people here (like me for exp.) don't carry cash because we can pay with card everywhere. I never carried cash with me more than DDK 50 and often I carry none. so, tipping is quite out of question but if I really want to tip I can put it in my card. When I'm in TH, I don't mind tipping waiter/waitress, if they do their job but often I found many of them standing all over the place and doing nothing. You can't even get eyes contact with them. In this case, I won't tip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieJR Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 I dont have a problem in tipping when it is deserved. I do however get pissed off when some places apply the 'mandatory' 10% service charge......which = even tho the service was shite and you had a miserable waiter/ess who thought the world owed them a fuckin living, you were still obliged to pay them for their shitty service ! One place amazed me and i don't know if this is the norm but......when i was in Florida, i was asked many times after paying the bill 'would you like change ' ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakeGeneve Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Some people work only off of tips, or they make something like 4 dollars an hour (way below minimum wage) and they rely on tips as their main income. I always found that the richer the person was, the worse they would tip. this is the b*tch i have with tipping .... why r we expected to make up their wages just because their tight a*s f**king boss won't pay them a decent f**king wage !!! I am also against subsidising underpaid staff just because the employer expects that customers which tip. I tip if the ambience, food and/or service has been good. It can be given only for a staff member if they have been exceptional or for all the staff (pooled). That is why I believe in a legally enforceable minimum wage which reflects an acceptable standard of living in that country. The US practice is just f**ked up! Yes lots of service staff in Thailand don't earn much but at least they get the potential for more with tips. Labour laws are actually quite good in this country but many employers work around them by using contract staff or migrant workers as an example where exploitation is rife. In Thailand, minimum DAILY wages are established by province. Bangkok province has the highest minimum daily wage of 193 baht (last time I checked) with surrounding provinces full of factories just under the 193 mark. And who are the overwhelming number of people who get the minimum wage, factory workers, many on contracts. They may get an end of year bonus if the job lasts that long and not all get their severence pay. Then we could look at the migrant workers who may work 12-16 hrs a day and get 50-100 baht in a Tak sweetshop, on a Satun fishing boat or on a construction site in Bkk or Chiang Mai. Anyone ever tip a factory worker or a migrant worker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelis Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 this is the b*tch i have with tipping .... why r we expected to make up their wages just because their tight a*s f**king boss won't pay them a decent f**king wage !!! I am also against subsidising underpaid staff just because the employer expects that customers which tip. I tip if the ambience, food and/or service has been good. It can be given only for a staff member if they have been exceptional or for all the staff (pooled). That is why I believe in a legally enforceable minimum wage which reflects an acceptable standard of living in that country. The US practice is just f*cked up! Yes lots of service staff in Thailand don't earn much but at least they get the potential for more with tips. Labour laws are actually quite good in this country but many employers work around them by using contract staff or migrant workers as an example where exploitation is rife. In Thailand, minimum DAILY wages are established by province. Bangkok province has the highest minimum daily wage of 193 baht (last time I checked) with surrounding provinces full of factories just under the 193 mark. And who are the overwhelming number of people who get the minimum wage, factory workers, many on contracts. They may get an end of year bonus if the job lasts that long and not all get their severence pay. Then we could look at the migrant workers who may work 12-16 hrs a day and get 50-100 baht in a Tak sweetshop, on a Satun fishing boat or on a construction site in Bkk or Chiang Mai. Anyone ever tip a factory worker or a migrant worker? I would if I could find one to sell me cheap brand-clothing he or she just sewed together.... You know, cut out the middle man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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