Germannrw Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Sorry , iam german , iam older age , and not learn much english in school . So i see this language with other feeling , because my mother language is german . Also i like the english language , its not so difficult to learn by own way without teacher . My asking : What english language style is the most ? Example : School Style we learn here : Hello , please give a glass of Coke ! British style : Hello Mr. Pomeroi , can you give a clean glass with coke , together ice , and bring it to my table ? US : Give me fuc king coke ! So tell me , what style is the best for using ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Sorry , iam german , iam older age , and not learn much english in school . So i see this language with other feeling , because my mother language is german . Also i like the english language , its not so difficult to learn by own way without teacher .My asking : What english language style is the most ? Example : School Style we learn here : Hello , please give a glass of Coke ! British style : Hello Mr. Pomeroi , can you give a clean glass with coke , together ice , and bring it to my table ? US : Give me fuc king coke ! So tell me , what style is the best for using ? who is Mr Pomeroi?? UK English best to learn since it is the original and they spell words correctly. Plus, from your perspective, UK English is a Germanic language anyway!! plus; don't apologise for being German (unless your name is Hobbes) You make damn good beer!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympos Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Sorry , iam german , iam older age , and not learn much english in school . So i see this language with other feeling , because my mother language is german . Also i like the english language , its not so difficult to learn by own way without teacher .My asking : What english language style is the most ? Example : School Style we learn here : Hello , please give a glass of Coke ! British style : Hello Mr. Pomeroi , can you give a clean glass with coke , together ice , and bring it to my table ? US : Give me fuc king condom ! So tell me , what style is the best for using ? Well, to be honest, here @ TF forums is the US version most in use, isnt it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 For every day life, you can use English English or American English. For life in Thailand you should use Pigeon English. And for TF life, you should use **** English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enchanted Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 I prefer Hollywood English...however, **** English is touche. Where can I learn? :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 I prefer Hollywood English...however, sh*t English is touche. Where can I learn? :wink: There are daily lessons on TF... just keep reading the forums! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugo Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 ...US : Give me fuc king coke! Well, to be honest, here @ TF forums is the US version most in use, isnt it? US-English? Isn't it the f**king Irish version??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 we speak Thailish here Misater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbkbkk Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 I speak wall street english... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faycyber Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 I speak my own english style when i was young my grandfather sent me to a school which have british english classes as in his age thai educated ppl speak british english.Hollywood flims make american english very famous here then I spell like british but speak like american .... Whatever english style you speak ,if it make ppl understand what you mean ... ... should not mind... they will not grade you here... I want to go to english school but I dont know one good for me (cheap+handsome teacher+nice lesson plan) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweetieBabie Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 I can spank English very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faycyber Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 I can spank English very well. LOL love that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeMarc Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 I can spank English very well. quote of the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin_2 Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 American English is the best because it's a reformed, new version of an outdated language. Imagine if Thais were still speaking the same Thai from 1,500 years ago... Color is spelled the way it is because there is no "u" sound in it. Flavor is the same, so are all the other words with unnecessary letters in them. Some Brits see this as obvious...just as obvious as Americans need the metric system...then again, some Americans are really stubborn and don't want to change from the old ways. Before you non-Americans hate on my American views...nevermind, let er rip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 . . . the way British English pairs collective nouns with verbs is totally illogical, e.g. "The team are . . . " Use of certain prepositions with certain adjectives sounds weird, e.g. "different to" rather than "differs from." American language is a refined version of British babble. BTW, history buffs, English language didn't originate in Britain. It evolved from old German. Read the original version of Beowulf or check out The Origins and Development of the English Language by Thomas Pyles if you don't believe me. :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeMarc Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 . . . the way British English pairs collective nouns with verbs is totally illogical, e.g. "The team are . . . " Use of certain prepositions with certain adjectives sounds weird, e.g. "different to" rather than "differs from." American language is a refined version of British babble. err....British English language does NOT use nouns that way. "The team IS" is correct British English. "Different FROM" and "similar TO" is correct British English. In the same way, I often notice many people who keep saying... "The people THAT do...." instead of saying "The people WHO do..." I really don't think its a case of British or American use of language (I can live with the spelling differences). But it's people who clearly do not, or have not, read much literature beyond daily rags and online twaddle. But, the English language is full of stupidity too, partly because it's such a hybrid bastard of many languages. For example, the classic Winston Churchill, who was swiped by some twit on the back benches during one of his speeches. Someone quipped that he shouldn't use a preposition at the end of a sentence. To which he quickly retorted: "This is something up with which i will not put!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faycyber Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 . . . the way British English pairs collective nouns with verbs is totally illogical, e.g. "The team are . . . " Use of certain prepositions with certain adjectives sounds weird, e.g. "different to" rather than "differs from." American language is a refined version of British babble. err....British English language does NOT use nouns that way. "The team IS" is correct British English. "Different FROM" and "similar TO" is correct British English. In the same way, I often notice many people who keep saying... "The people THAT do...." instead of saying "The people WHO do..." I really don't think its a case of British or American use of language (I can live with the spelling differences). But it's people who clearly do not, or have not, read much literature beyond daily rags and online twaddle. But, the English language is full of stupidity too, partly because it's such a hybrid bastard of many languages. For example, the classic Winston Churchill, who was swiped by some twit on the back benches during one of his speeches. Someone quipped that he shouldn't use a preposition at the end of a sentence. To which he quickly retorted: "This is something up with which i will not put!" thank you so much to bring this one up....I agree with you that "we can live with the spelling differences"...but ... we have to be careful on this topic..it would make someone who are not native speaker (someone who is thai like me) get the wrong thing here.I still agree with Rob using those words that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodKarma Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 this is probably one of the best in - depth documentary that I have ever seen and cleared up a lot of misnomers and miconceptions about the english word. A PBS mini series. Called 'The Story of English' from it's very beginings to present. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0198245/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 A few points. As both Rob and myself have mentioned, English evolved from old Germanic, but has had words and spelling added to it over the years; from Norman, Old British, Gaelic etc. What should also be mentioned is that many of the different spellings of words in America have their roots in nationalistic, rather than academic reasons. When the first American dictionaries were being produced, there was a determination to make distinctive differences between American English and British English, and although there may have been some philological substance to the changes, there was very much a case of making a political point. Language as a whole is constantly evolving; the internet age has added scores of new words to our vocabularies (though I pray to whatever Gods or Goddesses are on duty today that text speak never becomes accepted outside of the mobile phone world). As English has borrowed from languages around it, so American English has both borrowed from it's early neighbours such as French and the Native American languages. There are also many words that the early settlers 'invented' to describe new geographical features or phenomena that they encountered. And as with any country, there are often huge differences in the use of language from region to region. Now I am unsure of what the situation is in the US, but certainly the literacy standards for children leaving school here in the UK is falling, especially with regard to basic tenets such as grammar and spelling. Many Universities will ask for literacy tests from applicants, or will offer classes over the preceding summer months to entry for students to bring their standard of English up to an acceptable level. Personally, I think tools such as spell check, coupled with the amount of school work now carried out on computers, have led to this dropping in standards. One thing in the US school system, which I used to think risible, but now would like to see in UK schools, is the spelling bee. Some may laugh at this comment, but I do think it would be of benefit, though perhaps without the high level of competitiveness seen in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sathorn Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 American English is the best because it's a reformed, new version of an outdated language. Imagine if Thais were still speaking the same Thai from 1,500 years ago...Color is spelled the way it is because there is no "u" sound in it. Hmmm, and as Bostoner, there shouldn't be any bloody R in it either (like the rest of the world) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sathorn Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Sorry , iam german , iam older age , and not learn much english in school . So i see this language with other feeling , because my mother language is german . Also i like the english language , its not so difficult to learn by own way without teacher .My asking : What english language style is the most ? Example : School Style we learn here : Hello , please give a glass of Coke ! British style : Hello Mr. Pomeroi , can you give a clean glass with coke , together ice , and bring it to my table ? US : Give me fuc king coke ! So tell me , what style is the best for using ? The Americans did the right thing, but in the WRONG way (may I add - as usual). The English language is a bloody mess, as I know full well, being an Administrator in a Thai school, and having some recent experience here teaching Phonics. It should have been done at an International level - maybe it still can be done... I think that as English is fairly well established as the international language, that it wouldn't be unreasonable to have a huge international convention of academics and experts from the English-speaking world. We could have a few academic positions on language aired and debated, and a vote on establishing some new rules for spelling for a start. I offer myself as the Chair... OP, very interesting topic and well-raised. One thing that native speakers do not get (including Thais) is the way to be polite in the English language is to address someone in the form of a request rather than a command. For example, "Would you please come this way?" is much more acceptable than, "Come here." "Would you care to sit down/ take a seat" is much more polite than, "Sit down." I have seen some unintentionally amusing incidents, such as when a Thai teacher turns to a farang teacher and commands, "You, sit there." Just my 3 bob's worth... (And I am not English...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Germannrw Posted August 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Sorry , iam german , iam older age , and not learn much english in school . So i see this language with other feeling , because my mother language is german . Also i like the english language , its not so difficult to learn by own way without teacher .My asking : What english language style is the most ? Example : School Style we learn here : Hello , please give a glass of Coke ! British style : Hello Mr. Pomeroi , can you give a clean glass with coke , together ice , and bring it to my table ? US : Give me fuc king coke ! So tell me , what style is the best for using ? The Americans did the right thing, but in the WRONG way (may I add - as usual). The English language is a bloody mess, as I know full well, being an Administrator in a Thai school, and having some recent experience here teaching Phonics. It should have been done at an International level - maybe it still can be done... I think that as English is fairly well established as the international language, that it wouldn't be unreasonable to have a huge international convention of academics and experts from the English-speaking world. We could have a few academic positions on language aired and debated, and a vote on establishing some new rules for spelling for a start. I offer myself as the Chair... OP, very interesting topic and well-raised. One thing that native speakers do not get (including Thais) is the way to be polite in the English language is to address someone in the form of a request rather than a command. For example, "Would you please come this way?" is much more acceptable than, "Come here." "Would you care to sit down/ take a seat" is much more polite than, "Sit down." I have seen some unintentionally amusing incidents, such as when a Thai teacher turns to a farang teacher and commands, "You, sit there." Just my 3 bob's worth... (And I am not English...) I think it near you ....because iam a foreigner ( means : .....my thinking in head is not in english . So iam try to use short words , to conversation . Bye , come here , hungry , go , cheers , hello , why , etc......... I think other foreigners , which not use english language in here home countrys , make it same ?? Resume me : I can better understand a US english , than a british , by talking way . By reading i can understand more . When thai people or other asia people speak english , is it very hard for me , to understand some . By talk to thai people i compound english with thai , that is the best way to talk and understand , i think ... I hope i write it all correct , and you can understand , what i meaning . Writing in english is much difficult for me , because i have not learn it by school Much interest for me is : How do it a spain guy , or french , or netherland etc ? You speak short way english , or long way ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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funky_house Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 American English is the best because it's a reformed, new version of an outdated language. Imagine if Thais were still speaking the same Thai from 1,500 years ago...Color is spelled the way it is because there is no "u" sound in it. Flavor is the same, so are all the other words with unnecessary letters in them. Some Brits see this as obvious...just as obvious as Americans need the metric system...then again, some Americans are really stubborn and don't want to change from the old ways. Before you non-Americans hate on my American views...nevermind, let er rip! "Color is spelled the way it is because there is no "u" sound in it." It always puzzles me why the Americans dropped the second "u" in aluminium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 American English is the best because it's a reformed, new version of an outdated language. Imagine if Thais were still speaking the same Thai from 1,500 years ago...Color is spelled the way it is because there is no "u" sound in it. Flavor is the same, so are all the other words with unnecessary letters in them. Some Brits see this as obvious...just as obvious as Americans need the metric system...then again, some Americans are really stubborn and don't want to change from the old ways. Before you non-Americans hate on my American views...nevermind, let er rip! "Color is spelled the way it is because there is no "u" sound in it." It always puzzles me why the Americans dropped the second "u" in aluminium. :salute: :salute: :salute: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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