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Nelis : Dude, my head doesn't just growing hair and I do have brain. Read it again if you don't get my previous comment!

I've read it but I still don't really get your point... Of course the curfew will hurt some people more than others, is that what you're trying to say? I thought you were just complaining about that fact that the shops closed at 5.30 already when the curfew is from 9 pm... Sorry if I misread.

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"Reports that the clean up is going extremely well in Bangkok's affected areas apart from stickers covering lampposts in Wireless Rd, "which are particularly hard to shift" said one cleaner.

A man with a rather gay haircut and a slight limp has been seen sneaking around in the area late at night and police would like to question him.

Government officials seems to think this is unrelated to the red shirt movement.. "

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Hrrr... the Gov. shouldn't just send out the letter, why don't they arrange press conference?

I think it's gonna be in CNN «ÕàùàÃÕ§ Trash can.

PRIVATE THAI CITIZENS need to send in their feedback to CNN. CNN like most of the whitey press don't trust the Thai government and its officials (or any gov't really) and won't believe gov't officials saying people are offended.

if they get a lot of well-reasoned but critical emails from regular thai citizens that will make more of an impression.

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Hrrr... the Gov. shouldn't just send out the letter, why don't they arrange press conference?

I think it's gonna be in CNN «ÕàùàÃÕ§ Trash can.

This is a very classic way to cut cost for CNàÃÕ§ PR :roll:

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The curfew has been a nice change.

I've never seen Bangkok so quiet, serene and peaceful at night.

me too...

and cops are also having a good time making bucks... 2,000 baht fine and impounding vehicles.

Really what for parking in the wrong areas?

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Hrrr... the Gov. shouldn't just send out the letter, why don't they arrange press conference?

I think it's gonna be in CNN «ÕàùàÃÕ§ Trash can.

PRIVATE THAI CITIZENS need to send in their feedback to CNN. CNN like most of the whitey press don't trust the Thai government and its officials (or any gov't really) and won't believe gov't officials saying people are offended.

if they get a lot of well-reasoned but critical emails from regular thai citizens that will make more of an impression.

Actually if you read the letter you can see that to some extent it is written for CNN's benefit. it looks very much as though CNN have broken the existing Lese Majwste which leads Dan Rivers open to prosecution might lead to CNN being restricted from broadcasting Thailand. The letter gives an opportunity to apologize.

BTW there is one very interesting statement made iib that letter. It essentially states the King knew nothing about the coup in 2006 until the military had already taken control. To the extent that this is widely known, if you remember it is not how it was actually presented by the military who had plenty of yellow scarves and ribbons on both their tanks and thsoldiers when they launched the coup.

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Hrrr... the Gov. shouldn't just send out the letter, why don't they arrange press conference?

I think it's gonna be in CNN «ÕàùàÃÕ§ Trash can.

PRIVATE THAI CITIZENS need to send in their feedback to CNN. CNN like most of the whitey press don't trust the Thai government and its officials (or any gov't really) and won't believe gov't officials saying people are offended.

if they get a lot of well-reasoned but critical emails from regular thai citizens that will make more of an impression.

Actually if you read the letter you can see that to some extent it is written for CNN's benefit. it looks very much as though CNN have broken the existing Lese Majwste which leads Dan Rivers open to prosecution might lead to CNN being restricted from broadcasting Thailand. The letter gives an opportunity to apologize.

BTW there is one very interesting statement made iib that letter. It essentially states the King knew nothing about the coup in 2006 until the military had already taken control. To the extent that this is widely known, if you remember it is not how it was actually presented by the military who had plenty of yellow scarves and ribbons on both their tanks and thsoldiers when they launched the coup.

My recollection is that the military never suggested that the King had prior knowledge. The fact that commanders had their soldiers wear yellow ribbons meant only that the commanders were presenting their action as being for the protection of the king (among other reasons they stated), and implying the king approved of what they had done - something every single coup maker has done whether it was true or not.

And as I also recall, the coup makers had gone to the palace to ask HM to sign off on the coup, but he made them wait for hours until it was certain that they had taken complete control, otherwise his signing off on it would have been deciding the issue. And his question to them when they came to him was "why did there have to be a coup?"

As for Dan Rivers, I strongly doubt he is guilty of lese majeste, or that CNN is. The offending report was on a CNN domestic show called Rick's List. On the surface it appears that Dan Rivers had nothing to do with it. And as the show was not, to my knowledge, broadcast in Thailand, Thai laws can't do anything about it.

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Red Shirts Leaders Go Underground-Chiang Mai

Scary.

Thaksin Gandhi and CHe ? :shock: talk about misinformation!!

It just shows the incredible ignorance of some people, even though they obviously have an "education."

Did you hear what the new Texas school board wants to change in the current Texas curriculum. yikes !

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I'm glad that they are at least questioning him about it. My hope is that they black list him if he wasn't directly involved, and that they jail his ass if he was.

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I'm glad that they are at least questioning him about it. My hope is that they black list him if he wasn't directly involved, and that they jail his a*s if he was.

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In my opinion, there is far too much attention on Thaksin in the underlying problem. Thaksin, when he was PM, only helped the North and North East because it was a very economic way of securing power. It was not a cause it was politics. If you are earning Bt3,000 a month and you give them Bt4,000 a month, they will believe in you and vote for you. It was a very smart political move. Beforehand Isaan voters were simply paid to vote or told to vote, Thaksin moved spending so that he got people to believe in him.

You only need to look at the figures. Thaksin did create a significant improvement in those peoples lives. That is why it really is naive to believe that the protests were all about Thaksin paying them to be there - obviously he was funding them but what has happened is that Thaksin has bought himself a 'cause'. The movement of spending to the North was just a very smart political decision to obtain power - there really is no indication when he was in power that he believed in an underlying 'cause'. He, rather accidentally created a movement that now has its own momentum.

The problem is rather than being an issue of the Red Shirts only being interested in money, Thaksin is now actually beginning to commit himself to being the hero of the masses. Rather than those Isaan people being only interested in cash they have created a billionaire interested in their 'cause'.

Thaksin is never coming back to Thailand but while he used to make purely business decisions he now is making decisions based on a moral agenda. He has a 'cause' and he wishes to seek revenge on those that got rid of him. Socialism backed by cash is a very powerful political force.

Thaksin was massively underestimated when he was in power, which is why he became so powerful. He was underestimated when he was kicked out of power but I suspect that Abhisit can beat him at his own game.

brilliant. hits the nail squarely on the head.

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Some pics of Siam Theatre taken today just after lunch about 1 hour after the fire had been finally extinguished (though there were still small flames in two locations). One fireman said that the blaze duration was 22 hours. I have many wonderful memories of movies I saw there with friends over the years.

RIP Siam Theatre

it's fortuitous [cough, cough] that when a riotous mob wants to burn something, the only thing they can get to go up is a decrepit moneypit parked on a property worth millions of dollars.

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What do you think? Should foreigners get involved in Thai politics at all?

if they've jumped through all the hoops and gotten full citizenship, then ok. if not, not.

Sorry, but if they have gotten full citicenship, they are not foreigners anymore (at least in Western understanding)

sorry but we ain't in the west. once your'e a citizen you'll still be a farrang.

Well, even in the West you will remain a Turk, Russian, Fiji, Martian or whatever at least in the first generation.

My point was that once someone has full citizenship of a country, he also enjoys all respective rights like active and passive participation in elections. And this gives a citizen the right to officially talk politics whereas non-citizens should be very cautios and keep their feet still.

not sure what you mean by west... in NYC i am American although was not born in USA. Once you can speak the language fluently no one questions where you come from. Now I am white-ish... but as far as I knew other immigrants (some of my Asian freinds) were also considered American as long as they spoke fluently.

but if they aren't willing to sit up and bark in a well behaved fashion, like a pet seal, they are consigned to the back of the bus, bottom-rung class people.

Obama is president, so anything is possible. but he had to be so high above his competition (they couldn't touch his ass if they stood on two stepladders) that there is no way you can claim US society is a level playing field when it comes to race or national origin

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What do you think? Should foreigners get involved in Thai politics at all?

if the foreigner is resident here and it is legal and peaceful i don't see why they shouldn't get involved in Thai politics !!!

only if you can vote.

which is why it should be up to men to decide whether or not women get to have a voice in politics. personally i think they made a very bad decision, but tightly clamped feminine thighs make most men knuckle under.

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Thailand does not have a history or immigration, as many other countries have had so they do not understand this is possible. Some people might call it racist. I think it is more ignorance.

if you'll crack open your Lonely Planet guide and check out how many languages and ethnic groups there actually are in Thai, you'll see that what you said...

yeah, most of them are brown and sort of asian looking, but Thailand is one of the most diverse countries on earth.

which is why the thinking is, in many ways, similar to America.

look at all the guys named Schmidt and Radtkey and Moskovicz that want to kick your ass at the first word outta your mouth that is UNAHMERKIN.

look at all the flag waving. the patriotic songs. the Thailand first, i may speak Isaan (or Mexican) at home... but i am a proud Thai.

that is all meant to hold a diverse country together.

now Isarn always reminded me of Texas. and many Texans are Texan first, and American second. maybe that's partly why there's trouble in Isaan?

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I'm glad that they are at least questioning him about it. My hope is that they black list him if he wasn't directly involved, and that they jail his a*s if he was.

http://vimeo.com/11904521

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Collection of molotov cocktails, slingshots and other weapons placed by soldiers at the Rama 1/Henry Dunant intersection, Siam (note the two guns are fakes). Dozens of other sling shots were collected by other soldiers;

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attention authorities! vendors are still selling this stuff in Samrong. toy guns, slingshots, fireworks, and M150 bottles filled with flammible liquid are still readily available.

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